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WHy do they not give Defaint fleet warship same benfits all fleet starship get

belkin222belkin222 Member Posts: 34 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Federation Discussion
It only fleet starship does not get 20% bonus in hull and shield strongth when other fleet starshps do have those bonus?
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  • epsiloniaepsilonia Member Posts: 151 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    belkin222 wrote: »
    It only fleet starship does not get 20% bonus in hull and shield strongth when other fleet starshps do have those bonus?

    10%. +10% hull, +10% shields. And I'm pretty sure it does.
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  • umaekoumaeko Member Posts: 748 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yup. The Defiant is definitely not the underdog. It's also one of the very few ships in the game that gets a 5th tactical console.

    If you want an underdog, you should consider the Fleet Aquarius Destroyer. But that's an entirely different topic. :)
  • ltdata96ltdata96 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    That was a balancing thing from pre-Legacy of Romulus.
    With the Romulans out and the fleet versions of some of their "escorty" warbirds having both 5 tac consoles and extra shields (the Arkif even has a Hangar on top!) it now deserves the bonus IMO.
    umaeko wrote: »
    If you want an underdog, you should consider the Fleet Aquarius Destroyer. But that's an entirely different topic. :)

    Oh lol the Aquarius... not seen any of those for ... wait, i've never seen any of those controlled by a player xD
  • xigbargxigbarg Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I saw one in a Mirror Universe mission. I got so caught up trying to CC the waves that I didn't pay much attention to it though.
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  • malnificentmalnificent Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ltdata96 wrote: »
    That was a balancing thing from pre-Legacy of Romulus.
    With the Romulans out and the fleet versions of some of their "escorty" warbirds having both 5 tac consoles and extra shields (the Arkif even has a Hangar on top!) it now deserves the bonus IMO.


    ^^ This.^^



    With all do respect to Cryptic, they do a TRIBBLE poor job of keeping up with balancing when they make changes that imbalance old (outdated) decisions.

    Such as the Defiant's cloak console. Bah ... this should have long since been made integrated into the Fleet version (at the minimal, take your 1or4 FSM pound of flesh and get over it already). It should be a purely basic cloak requiring the Defiant to fully break engagement before recloaking ... but it should absolutely be inherent. The "balance" part is the fact it isn't a battle cloak or WhateverTF the Romulans have, thereby affecting (negatively) the Defiant's DPS (while disengaging).

    Sorry ... I digress ... wow, where did all that come from?



    Back in subject ... OP is right in pointing out Cryptic can't keep up with long since past justifications for former decisions. Bottom-line, play Rommy as that's the new hotness and all Crypt can focus on OP'ing.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Let's see... fleet ships are only promised bonus hull and shields and a 10th console. And it gets that bonus. +10% hull, +10% shields, +1 tactical console. So it gets EXACTLY the same benefits as a fleet ship. I would know, I have one XD.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • tarrennistarrennis Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Is it listed incorrectly? The game pedia & game itself list the fleet Defiant as not getting + 10% shields.
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tarrennis wrote: »
    Is it listed incorrectly? The game pedia & game itself list the fleet Defiant as not getting + 10% shields.

    Probably. I've noticed that many of the descriptions in the game for ships are missing stats or have outdated statements on them. The text for the Gal-X still has it listed as "the only cruiser in Starfleet that can use dual cannons." Obviously this is wrong due to the Avenger. They need to do a QA pass on the ship UI.
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  • ltdata96ltdata96 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tarrennis wrote: »
    Is it listed incorrectly? The game pedia & game itself list the fleet Defiant as not getting + 10% shields.

    The Fleet Tac Escort Retrofit is the one and only exception of the general fleet ship mechanics (+10% hull and shields & +1 console slot). The Defiant is NOT getting the extra shield mod for an outdated reason (as stated above)
  • tarrennistarrennis Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The fleet Prometheus gets the 10% bonus shields. The fleet Defiant should too.
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  • belkin222belkin222 Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I check the Fleet Defiant out you right about hull strongth but far I can tell wrong about the shield strongth. CHecke the Defaint class it shield strongth is point 9 check the fleet Defaint it shield strongth is .9. If shield strongth 10% stronger it would have been .99.
  • huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ltdata96 wrote: »
    That was a balancing thing from pre-Legacy of Romulus.
    With the Romulans out and the fleet versions of some of their "escorty" warbirds having both 5 tac consoles and extra shields (the Arkif even has a Hangar on top!) it now deserves the bonus IMO.

    I agree with this too. Today the fleet defiant should get +10% shield like the other fed escorts.

    The reason why the fleet defiant didn't get the +10% shield is outdated.
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    huntor2 wrote: »
    I agree with this too. Today the fleet defiant should get +10% shield like the other fed escorts.

    The reason why the fleet defiant didn't get the +10% shield is outdated.

    No. The reason is still valid. Lots and lots of ships have smaller shield mods due to having Cloaks. The Romulans outright break this rule, but that doesn't give the green light to do even more wrong.
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  • huntorhuntor Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No. The reason is still valid. Lots and lots of ships have smaller shield mods due to having Cloaks. The Romulans outright break this rule, but that doesn't give the green light to do even more wrong.

    Lots and lots?! I'm missing something?

    Please explain...

    The Fleet Galaxy-X with cloaking device and a hangar bay get +10% shield, why not the defiant?
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  • ltdata96ltdata96 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    No. The reason is still valid. Lots and lots of ships have smaller shield mods due to having Cloaks. The Romulans outright break this rule, but that doesn't give the green light to do even more wrong.

    Well, as it is it IS wrong. So either nerf romulans or buff everything else. Preferably the first.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    huntor2 wrote: »
    Lots and lots?! I'm missing something?

    Please explain...

    The Fleet Galaxy-X with cloaking device and a hangar bay get +10% shield, why not the defiant?

    I take it you've never tried anything else outside the Federation. There's more to the game in what should be balanced than 1 faction.
    ltdata96 wrote: »
    Well, as it is it IS wrong. So either nerf romulans or buff everything else. Preferably the first.

    Oh, the Romulans by Cryptic's design get away with all kinds of TRIBBLE. Their overpoweredness has long been an issue since LOR hit.
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  • ltdata96ltdata96 Member Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I take it you've never tried anything else outside the Federation. There's more to the game in what should be balanced than 1 faction.



    Oh, the Romulans by Cryptic's design get away with all kinds of TRIBBLE. Their overpoweredness has long been an issue since LOR hit.

    Said that when LoR was released, when the Scimitar was and now i'm still complaining.
    But that's probably because i mostly play FED and KDF, focusing on FUN rather than MOAR and MOAR DPS. Romulans in their current state just suck for me, you can do exactly the one thing: MOAR and MOAR DPS, power creep and all that silly stuff that ruins the Game for me.
    And they shouldn't be allowed to park their big TRIBBLE ships in Q'onoS and Sol systems.

    Again, just my opinion ;)

    (sry for going a little off-topic :P)
  • tarrennistarrennis Member Posts: 166 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    The Defiant cloak is not even a battle cloak. It deserves the same bonuses as the other fleet ships.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    tarrennis wrote: »
    The Defiant cloak is not even a battle cloak. It deserves the same bonuses as the other fleet ships.

    No it doesn't. Regardless of Cloak type.
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