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virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
edited March 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Jem ships should have Space Shroud cloaks.

From working with the Cardassians, they should have access to all sorts of Spiral Wave Energy Weapons.

From working with the Breen, they should have access to a [Pol] device that adds the Polaron proc to all Energy Weapons.

Because we normally saw them as groups, they should have a pair of Jem Fighters that work like Wing Cannons.

What other buffs do you feel the JHAS needs?
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    deokkent wrote: »
    Make all stations universal.

    Beyond that...add more Jem BOFFs where the BOFFs themselves are Universal, able to train Tac/Eng/Sci abilities on the same BOFF. Allow them only to work in Jem boats.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Oh, that made me think - they should have innate Jem Boarding Parties...
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, with balance out the window with space right now, we might as well give the JHAS innate Attack Pattern Omega III, Delta III, and Beta III. On top of that, Romulans flying the ship don't kill fast enough, +60% Critical Chance and +600% Critical Severity should about do it. They can already get 30% Critical Chance and 220% Critical Severity, what is 60/600% more, some may not even notice.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anyone who buys a bug over a hirogin hunter is a sucker.
  • blahhdreyblahhdrey Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Perma Hirogen ram-doff effect without the doff.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, with balance out the window with space right now, we might as well give the JHAS...

    That's the spirit!

    Though, some of this stuff might require first having the JHAS and then dropping out 800 Lobi for an upgrade, eh?
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anyone who buys a bug over a hirogin hunter is a sucker.

    Well ya I guess tech doffs are op on any ship... seriously though anyone that buys either of those over a galor is an even bigger sucker.
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  • ehrlehnehrlehn Member Posts: 137 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anyone who buys a bug over a hirogin hunter is a sucker.

    it is a crazy good ship.

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  • blessedladyboyblessedladyboy Member Posts: 349 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anyone who buys a bug over a hirogin hunter is a sucker.

    I'm not a fan of a2b only escorts tbh.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well, with some Elachi DHCs/etc and AtB - the Hirogen could be the Hero for the next gen of spacebar warriors.
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited March 2014
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    In all seriousness though, it is kind of an example of the powercreep taking place in the game, no?

    Think about how much you might have wanted a Bug 6 months ago? 12 months ago? 18 months ago? 24 months ago? Picture the next 6 months...12 months...etc, etc, etc. If they want to keep including it in this promo and expect folks to buy it...they're going to need to buff it down the road or just move it to the Lobi store and put a new ship in for the promo.
  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    +1

    But the shroud should actually be a permanent shroud with a flat damage boost like +50%.

    No decloaking mechanism, and shields always up.


    Good call on this burning issue Virus, the JHAS is sadly underpowered and weak in today's fantastic metagame!
  • phadrenphadren Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anyone who buys a bug over a hirogin hunter is a sucker.

    I agree I fly a hunter and its a really good ship. Almost too good lol, have fought agin some in this thread Great Fights!
  • jacknm1jacknm1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Just the post to appreciate this Vid!!

    A Tribute to the JHAS
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  • ussultimatumussultimatum Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    anyone who buys a bug over a hirogin hunter is a sucker.


    When you post, accurate, things like this it makes your posts on how A2B isn't a problem very hard to believe.


    Since that's exactly what makes the Hirogen Hunter better. ;)
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Well ya I guess tech doffs are op on any ship... seriously though anyone that buys either of those over a monbosh is an even bigger sucker.

    fixed.

    I'm not a fan of a2b only escorts tbh.

    if you dont like things to overpowered on principle i understand.

    When you post, accurate, things like this it makes your posts on how A2B isn't a problem very hard to believe.

    Since that's exactly what makes the Hirogen Hunter better. ;)

    oh its not just that. this is the best example of an escort/destroyer that doesnt have a big drawback wile also being able to run an AtB build. all this does is make me think that all other doffs need buffing even more

    In all seriousness though, it is kind of an example of the powercreep taking place in the game, no?

    Think about how much you might have wanted a Bug 6 months ago? 12 months ago? 18 months ago? 24 months ago? Picture the next 6 months...12 months...etc, etc, etc. If they want to keep including it in this promo and expect folks to buy it...they're going to need to buff it down the road or just move it to the Lobi store and put a new ship in for the promo.


    as of this moment, this is what you can do with the hunter


    EPtE, AtB and AtD build with 4 turn + all res gives you more turn and movement speed with full up time give the ship top tier movement AND for me 48% hull res

    with only 1 AtB, up time is spotty, but just dumping CRF and BO down range tends to do jack squat these days all by it self. on escorts im a convert to single AtB+AtD because even on non 1 trick pony vap builds up time is a distance second to lineing up as much spike as you can.

    1 AtB giving your EPt skills 100% reliable uptime as apposed to damage control less then perfect uptime, the single built in COM tac is all you need in most cases running on pretty decent up time. only vapers will miss the second LTC level tac power, but vapers are also using cloakers

    post team system cooldown change is what really pushed me into getting one. not only does it have the above advantages over the bug, but i can run ET1/3, and ST1/2 wile still having room for the 2 EPt skills and HE, TSS. it is immune to debuffs, immune to every single thing a sci ship can hit it with, and with all those heals is an auxiliary team healboat as well. its u turn console gives like +100 defense wile it does its animation, if you hear a cloaking device hit it and your attacker has to deal with you moving in an extreamly strange way and a huge debuff to his accuracy. plus the ~50% hull armor, and top tier movement, and if your ~15k away from anyone you might as well be cloaked.

    lol bug, and all the other escorts that cant run AtB+AtD builds. compare this 17 turn escort to the defiant and it gets absolutely sad. this is the best example of power creep in the game today. well, next to warbirds i guess
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    When you post, accurate, things like this it makes your posts on how A2B isn't a problem very hard to believe.


    Since that's exactly what makes the Hirogen Hunter better. ;)

    I find it easy to run circles around a2b escorts with a bug using doffed a2d, I would say it may be a better escort against most ships, but not against the bug. I like to be built for 1v1 in kerrat since it happens a lot so bug is best for that I think.
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  • blahhdreyblahhdrey Member Posts: 313 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    When you post, accurate, things like this it makes your posts on how A2B isn't a problem very hard to believe.


    Since that's exactly what makes the Hirogen Hunter better. ;)

    Yeah but A2B or no the Hunter is one ugly garbage can of a ship. ;)

    No offense to people who like their Hunters! The buggy is just so pretty in pink.
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  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    6 tactical consoles?

    Make it 12 and you have yourself a deal.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    dont forget the elachi escort too, wile down 1 turn it can do the exact same thing, wile also haveing room for an offensive LTC sci power. the ENS uni it has will determine if you run an ET or TSS though if you dont run ST3 on it lol
  • talore003talore003 Member Posts: 49
    edited March 2014
    I'd rather see them buff faction ships that got left behind in the creep before the other stuff. That is just me though heh.
  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    talore003 wrote: »
    I'd rather see them buff faction ships that got left behind in the creep before the other stuff. That is just me though heh.

    its got everything to do with doffs really. this hunter is no better then the defiant without them, just different. doffs need to be buffed so ships arent unfairly left behind.
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  • dontdrunkimshootdontdrunkimshoot Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    edalgo wrote: »
    But no one is yelling "buff the fleet Saber" or others the JHAS completely out classes

    this is a satire thread that i ruined by dropping truth bombs lol
  • brandonflbrandonfl Member Posts: 892
    edited March 2014
    Water's getting hot I see. I'd say almost boiling.

    There's an idea. Jemmies need hot tubs. Now!
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  • freenos85freenos85 Member Posts: 443 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Hey DDIS, i wonder why you would choose only one A2B with the hirogen escort. I always get the feeling thati don't have specific powers ready when i want them ready if i use the A2B/A2D variant. TT, ST, ET, EPtS and EPtE can't be held at global without double A2B. Welp, this feeling might be a consequence of me spacebar-binding all those abilities, well except ST and ET.

    And on the topic of bugships: It will stay the same price it has always been and that's 500 million or above and anything else doesn't matter to me. I'm sure enogh players speculate on that and keep the price for the ship artificially inflated. So buffing the bug wouldn't make any sense from cryptics perspective of perceived sales of the new doff pack, because enoguh people will open packs/buy the ship, just to resell it later anyways. It's basically its own high value currency right now ... like gold/latinum bars.
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