Dyson space - no country for old B'rels?

catliketyping · March 2014

So... B'rel pilots, what do you do in Dyson space? Seems like everything can decloak you, so EBC is kind of pointless.

I could go to the standard in/out of cloak, but I may as well get a Fleet Norgh or run the Hegh'ta for Dyson.

I like my Hegh'ta just fine. It's just not a B'rel.

EDIT:
Okay, after being unimpressed with my Borg setup Hegh'ta, I went back to the B'rel & did a Transphasic setup because Voth know how to shield.

I swapped out the Quantums & KHG for the Breen set. I also used 2 Sci teams instead of my usual Polarize Hull/Haz Emitters (probably need to go back to 1 Haz Emitter, though). I usually only load 1 Cluster because it is so slow to load, but I might go for 2 because it's suicidal going full on into a Voth ball.

Now that was Pod Racing, right there.

You just have to adjust your distances. Can't make long attack runs because of the anti-cloak stuff.

twam · March 2014

catliketyping wrote: »

So... B'rel pilots, what do you do in Dyson space? Seems like everything can decloak you, so EBC is kind of pointless.

To be completely honest, I hop into my Mogh in Dyson space. It's not just the decloaking stuff they got, but also the shield-ignoring damage, which, with the paper thin hull of my B'rel, just started to get to me. Anywhere else, I'm perfectly happy in my BoP's, but over there, I just opt for things with a little more hull. Like, twice as much.

szerontzur · March 2014

It's not just B'rels, the Voth punish a number of playstyles ranging from carriers to parking cannon builds. Their ability to do so much direct hull damage also punishes lighter attack craft and fragile science ships.

If you absolutely want to use a raider against them, I would recommend a torp build or, of all things, a long-range broadsiding beam build. The Voth have a number of nasty close range slowing abilities, so maintaining your distance is a must in a ship that fragile(Tyken's Rift is still going to rip you up though).

doffingcomrade · March 2014

B'rel is great for many Dyson-Space missions, actually. The key to understanding is that in many cases, COMBAT IS OPTIONAL. The ability to simply cloak and bugger off without getting into an extended brawl is simply awesome. Ever since the removal of the daily, you don't get paid for Voth killings, so why bother getting into an unnecessary fight? If you just bugger off, you can get on with your next task and avoid an unnecessary time-consuming brawl completely. Gone are the days when doing your Voth Daily was to pick a fight with as many Voth as you could bite off and chew with both hands.

catliketyping · March 2014

Yeah, i use torpedo builds only in my b'rel and t'varo (even if the t'varo is terribly disappointing).

I did a bunch of space fights yesterday in the contested zone, including the big giant gojira ship fights. I still dont love transphasics, but i did contribute even if i died a couple times.

Setup is 2 rapid fire transphasics, 1 blue mkxii transphasic, and the breen cluster up front... 2 green mkxii transphasic torps aft. Breen set bonus to transphasics (2 piece), rule 62 console, borg console, 3 purple mkxi transphasic consoles... 4x Nausicaan Pirate BOFFs. I use the borg impulse just because, but i might switch to aegis for the extra 5%.

kodiakjorgensson · March 2014

catliketyping wrote: »

So... B'rel pilots, what do you do in Dyson space? Seems like everything can decloak you, so EBC is kind of pointless.

I could go to the standard in/out of cloak, but I may as well get a Fleet Norgh or run the Hegh'ta for Dyson.

I like my Hegh'ta just fine. It's just not a B'rel.

EDIT:
Okay, after being unimpressed with my Borg setup Hegh'ta, I went back to the B'rel & did a Transphasic setup because Voth know how to shield.

I swapped out the Quantums & KHG for the Breen set. I also used 2 Sci teams instead of my usual Polarize Hull/Haz Emitters (probably need to go back to 1 Haz Emitter, though). I usually only load 1 Cluster because it is so slow to load, but I might go for 2 because it's suicidal going full on into a Voth ball.

Now that was Pod Racing, right there.

You just have to adjust your distances. Can't make long attack runs because of the anti-cloak stuff.

gravity well 3 + torpedo spread 3 with gravimetric torpedos works great agisnt the voth

catliketyping · March 2014

kodiakjorgensson wrote: »

gravity well 3 + torpedo spread 3 with gravimetric torpedos works great agisnt the voth

Are they immune to something in the grav well exotic damage? I throw grav well 1 & 3 for CC in the voth space & i remember a lot of IMMUNE spam in the voth balls even if the voth ships are stuck in the GW bubble.

The thing i like about photons (6 second timer) is kind of negated by the distances i need to work with (shorter attack runs from longer distance). The long timeout on transphasics isnt so bad since fighting voth seems to take more time to maneuver.

Of course, slotting photons for voth means i might be able to use less projectile DOFFs in favor of gravimetric or deflector BOFFs...

kodiakjorgensson · March 2014

voth ships have a special shield ability that will make one facing immune to all incoming damage, its easy to ignore it, just attack different facing. my strategy for my sci captain is to

Grav Well 3
Hargh Pheng
Scramble Sensors 1
Torpedo Spread 3 (omega plasma or gravimetric torpedo's)
jam sensors
Tykens rift 1
emergency power to engines
torpedo spread 1 or 3 (omega plasma)
Hargh pheng.

basically I'm trapping the voth in a tight circle so i can hit them with splash damage from the hargh pheng torpedo, and using scramble sensors to make them fight one another so they'll weaken each other and I can finish them off. also stick with the transphasics, for the shield bypass maybe try out a cluster transphasics, those things can tare a voth ship in two if you can get one past the beam fire at will

catliketyping · March 2014

Scramble sensors? I will have to try that, and drop out my Sci Team panic button since i am better at avoiding now.

How about Plasma Torps for the DoT and HY splash? Is that mote viable these days? I know i have some plasma torps and consoles in storage somewhere. The distances might make it prohibitive, though.

autumnturning · March 2014

High Yield Plasma against Voth? Do they EVER stop using BFAW spam?

catliketyping · March 2014

That's true... i guess that also neuters tricobalt bombers. Darn. Wish i had more options to get at hull... unless i only use plasma spread torps :-(

Transphasic it is, then. I guess i could also go back to KHG and warhead yield chambers for rainbow torpedos, but that also sounds unappealing. If i get the gravimetrics, then i might

I just hate giving up 2 weapon slots to slow loaders like the Hargh'peng and breen cluster.

Maybe if i put at least one rapid reload transphasic aft (no slow loading torpedos aft) to trigger torpedo DOFF procs on the way out... but with only 2 slots aft, it still hurts. But i hate getting too close with non-buffed torpedo strikes while going into a voth ball just to get DOFFs to work.

warmaker001b · March 2014

autumnturning wrote: »

High Yield Plasma against Voth? Do they EVER stop using BFAW spam?

Not only that, but they also tend to frequently drop Aceton Probes. Targetable projectiles are very much pointless against Voth.

marc8219 · March 2014

I switch to energy weapons on my brel when facing voth, and yes you might as well stay in the brel because before you decloak you can still drop an aceton assimilator and use other consoles and sci abilities before you decloak. By doing this before decloak then moving out of range it gets the voth to waste their reflective immunity matrix, then you can decloak and vape them.

Dyson space - no country for old B'rels?

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