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WTF happened to donatra, lets have your thoughts

johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
edited March 2014 in The Academy
Ok after a breif discussion on the sela thread, i thought may as well stick a full thread on, thoughts on what happened to donatra.

my points:
She retains her name, rank and uniform
Hardly apears to have been assimilated, no body plating etc
No Borg designation
still commands the valdore, albeit assimilated, which is odd, the borg seldom use assimilated ships, infact apart from cure found this is the only occurance I can think of.
Since when do the borg make use of escape pods

so wtf happened to bring us to this point, i remeber reading something about time travel, and that donatra was lost during an incident (this forms part of the background to one of my romulans, who is portrayed as being her sister Tal'is@johankreig if anyone is interested), so perhaps she has become part of a future collective, which is radicaly different to the current.
Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
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  • jmaster29jmaster29 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johankreig wrote: »
    Ok after a breif discussion on the sela thread, i thought may as well stick a full thread on, thoughts on what happened to donatra.

    my points:
    She retains her name, rank and uniform
    Hardly apears to have been assimilated, no body plating etc
    No Borg designation
    still commands the valdore, albeit assimilated, which is odd, the borg seldom use assimilated ships, infact apart from cure found this is the only occurance I can think of.
    Since when do the borg make use of escape pods

    so wtf happened to brind us to this point, i remeber reading something about time travel, and that donatra was lost during an incident (this forms part of the background to one of my romulans, who is portrayed as being her sister Tal'is@johankreig if anyone is interested), so perhaps she has become part of a future collective, which is radicaly different to the current.

    Well, I, personally, want a quest chain where you begin 'healing' her. Donatra was awesome.
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  • johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I think more content/contact with her would be good, she is such an interesting character when u read about her would be nice to have her past fleshed out somewhat.

    keep the commenst coming, would be nice to get some ideas, perhaps someone can make a foundry mission from them (I would but dont have gold)
    Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
  • norobladnoroblad Member Posts: 2,624 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    you have to forgive me as I am not a hard core trek guy but:

    in one of the picard movies the borg shoots out an escape sphere when its parent cube is dying. This is sort of an escape pod concept.

    While they seem to prefer their own ships, they almost assimilated the enterprise in that movie as well. Had they succeeded I think it would have been flying and used as a borg ship.
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    She might be in a position similar to Locutus, with the Borg Queen having allowed her to retain a certain amount of her personality. Why she was allowed to retain her name instead of becoming Donatrus or something, who knows. Maybe the Queen feels Romulan names already sound Latin enough.

    By 2409, the Borg not only field assimilated ships, they also construct them (Cure Found's BoPs, Raptors and Negh'vars). So, while not common practice in the 24th century, they've shall we say adapted. Maybe they've realized the massive monolithic cubes are not always the best option for fighting the clever and technologically advanced residents of the Alpha and Beta quadrants. Might be advantageous to fight them on their own terms with their own ships.
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  • galanis2814galanis2814 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I like the idea that at this point in the timeline there is something weird going on with the Borg. We see the more traditional ships in Infected Space, but it seems to me as if Donatra may have a different faction of the Borg, or at least one with a different task.

    Perhaps after getting their asses handed to them so many times by the technology and tactics of alpha quadrant powers they are experimenting with retaining more individuality and adapting the specific tactics and technologies of us more directly, or perhaps Donatra was assimilated not by the collective but by some disconnected sect of rogue Borg like those who followed Lore, or the Borg Cooperative.
  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    In the Romulan campaign, we see that the Romulan Empire is not just experimenting with Borg augmented ships, but with creating artificial Borg drones. We know their forces in Gamma Orionis are involved with their Borg technology program.


    Now, here's my theory as to Donatra: She's an aberration.

    Donatra's ship was creating artificial drones in the same way as the Khnial was in Mind Game, when something went wrong, either through error or sabotage. Maybe an artificial drone had its subspace beacon reactivated and drew attention of the collective, maybe a Borg console went haywire and started assimilating other equipment around it, maybe a test subject broke free and injected a guard or scientist with nanoprobes.

    Whatever happened, the ship lost control of the Borg technology it was working with, and large portions of the ship and crew were being converted by it. It's not properly structured as part of the Collective, and the technology has been modified in various ways with some capabilities removed and new ones added to suit whatever the Tal Shiar mean to do with artificial drones. It's very Borg-like, but it's not completely Borg anymore, it's something new.

    This is the point at which the Borg themselves show up, and find a mess of a scene where a Romulan vessel and its crew are already being assimilated by a technology that certainly looks Borg, but is fundamentally defective in their eyes. They do the best they can, plugging the mess into the Collective and enforcing some will over it, but it'll take time to restructure and integrate it properly.

    Unfortunately, this happens near the end of the conflict in Gamma Orionis, and the Borg are losing a lot of ground to allied forces in Task Force Omega (both in the campaign missions and the previous STFs). TFO has just destroyed two transwarp gates, five cubes, and a fleet of light ships and is about to destroy or capture the temporal gateway. All five cubes in range to stop them already showed up and were destroyed, leaving Donatra's Scimitar the most powerful combat vessel in range.

    TL;DR: What happens when the Borg try to assimilate one of those Tal Shiar Borg-adapted monstrosities.
  • exsteeleexsteele Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    I'm wondering if what some people here are saying is true, and that she's trying to go back in time to prevent herself from getting assimilated? All she's able to do is go a few minutes back in time (The portal needs to actually "eat" probes in order to gain enough energy to send her back far enough in time to do what she wants) and try to defeat us again, which is why we're fighting her in the same scenario over and over?
  • gemetzelgemetzel Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Donatra became the new Borg Queen. You fight her in the 'Into the Hive' ground STF and it's her voice you hear in the Hive Onslaught space STF. You can see the same Borg parts on her left shoulder in the Khitomer Accord space STF when she hails you as the Borg Queen has in 'Into the Hive'.

    Here’s some pics, note the ears and shoulder attachments:
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/2/28/Donatra_and_Tosk_of_Borg.png
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Donatra
    http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/98/88/9888dcc33665ddfc687c0b0bc667f7121341011701.jpg
    http://i46.tinypic.com/rmka3s.png
    http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID15961/images/borgqueen(1).JPG
  • wraithshadow13wraithshadow13 Member Posts: 1,728 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    My guess is that this isn't really the Borg collective that we've come to fear, but possibly a future outcome from Tal Shiar Experimentations. At some point, I'm guessing they lose control of it and form a semi-collective, which is why they use assimilated ships rather than the perfect borg vessels, as well as why they need to refit and adapt all of the borg drones from the past. It also helps to explain why a single ship is capable of tanking cubes at the moment.

    More the possible, is that the real Borg are still stuck in the delta quadrant, given the collapse of their transwarp network, or have written off the Federation for the time being until they can adapt to handle us. Not being able to do this in the future timeline, the New Romulan Collective, will begin a massive temporal invasion in an effort to colonize their armies in the past.



    I'm totally claiming this now for myself, to use in the literary challenges...
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    gemetzel wrote: »
    Donatra became the new Borg Queen. You fight her in the 'Into the Hive' ground STF and it's her voice you hear in the Hive Onslaught space STF. You can see the same Borg parts on her left shoulder in the Khitomer Accord space STF when she hails you as the Borg Queen has in 'Into the Hive'.

    Here’s some pics, note the ears and shoulder attachments:
    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/2/28/Donatra_and_Tosk_of_Borg.png
    http://sto.gamepedia.com/Donatra
    http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/98/88/9888dcc33665ddfc687c0b0bc667f7121341011701.jpg
    http://i46.tinypic.com/rmka3s.png
    http://www.examiner.com/images/blog/EXID15961/images/borgqueen(1).JPG

    Wow. The things you learn when you actually take the time in an STF to read the dialog and look around.
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  • johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    never did the ground stfs so thats interesting, I suspect that the borg from her time may well be significantly different in there goals and tactics, I supose we need to wait and see, tho how she got into this mess is still the mystery and my toons goal of rescuing her sister just got a feck lot harder lol.
    Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johankreig wrote: »
    never did the ground stfs so thats interesting, I suspect that the borg from her time may well be significantly different in there goals and tactics, I supose we need to wait and see, tho how she got into this mess is still the mystery and my toons goal of rescuing her sister just got a feck lot harder lol.

    especially since you blow up donatras/queens ship... again at the end of into the hive.
  • fransiscosfransiscos Member Posts: 54
    edited March 2014
    If u ever read the star trek books sela tricks her and she gets sent to prion where she then kills her self.:eek: The book was Star Trek: Destiny I think been over 3 or 4 years when I last picked it up.:P
  • johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    she no doubt escapes, heck I blow her up several times a day, in what sequence do the stfs fall, is hive after khitomer or before.
    Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
  • johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    ok the similarities between the two of them are clear but I just read all the fluff and from what I can gather the queen attacks the alpha quadrant along with donatra, I am now wondering if the appearance with the shoulder piece may be some kind of command borg, also there are differences in the heads of both including the obvious eye piece, I suspect the qeen could well be another romulan perhaps a member of donatras crew, and donatra becoming her xo as such.
    Jorhana Kreig: KDF, Tal'is: Romulan Fed, Shona'a: Romulan KDF, Johan Paul Kreig: Fed
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Or it could be just the devs reusing assets to build a new model (Donatra existed in game well before the Queen did). I was trying to look at those screen grabs to see if the Queen had pointy Romulan ears, but it's hard to tell. Either way, interesting to think about.
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  • scurry5scurry5 Member Posts: 1,554 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    fransiscos wrote: »
    If u ever read the star trek books sela tricks her and she gets sent to prion where she then kills her self.:eek: The book was Star Trek: Destiny I think been over 3 or 4 years when I last picked it up.:P

    The Destiny series and the books after that follow a different timeline from STO.
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    Yeah, STO picks and chooses certain things from the novels that it wants to incorporate, but is its own thing. They had to contort it around to set up for the FvK war and all the other stuff going on in game, so after a certain point it diverges considerably from the novel canon. Certain things obviously made it in though. Data captaining the Enterprise-E, Mac Calhoun is hanging out on K-7, the Vesta is in game, etc. We can't necessarily take events in the novels as being part of STO canon though unless the game or background info has specifically mentioned them.
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  • mrspidey2mrspidey2 Member Posts: 959 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    johankreig wrote: »
    she no doubt escapes, heck I blow her up several times a day, in what sequence do the stfs fall, is hive after khitomer or before.
    Hive is the final one, chronologically.
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