Ships don't "need" universal stations. Universal stations should be scrapped. This is the single biggest problem with ships being op'd. You can do way too much with 1 ship. You can have an escort, with all its superior firepower, also have the ability to tank nearly as well as any cruiser, and cruisers can rack up almost as much dps as escorts now, plus keep their full tanking ability. Ships like the galaxy and intrepid are actually perfect examples of how a ship should be designed to fulfill its role. The galaxy dreadnaught as it is right now is the perfect example of a multirole ship. It can tank and do damage fairly well, but it doesn't excel in either. And all this is because none of these ships has a universal slot. Now, giving the dreadnaught a uni end slot isn't so bad. You can use different abilities there without changing the entire role of the ship itself. Giving it something like what the odyssey has, universal ltcom station, is what breaks the ship. In my opinion, each odyssey variant should have permanent boff stations based on what the ships role is (sci, tac, eng). Ships with universal stations are breaking the game balance.
If a player hasn't purchased any of the other Galaxy versions then this is a superb bundled value.
It does seem like those that already have a version are being a bit penalized.
As a fan I'm glad that some attention has been given to revamping this iconic class, it deserves it.
So far though based upon the alterations we've been told & the statistics we know this will still be subpar compared to the other Dreadnoughts which is ironic given this is supposed to make it more comparable to the other Dreadnoughts. Let alone it's taken SO LONG.
However, I suppose it's easier to improve upon later than to take-away something.
I want to purchase this as a player. I even bought some more Zen in preparation since there's a Zen sale. I'm not sold yet though, but I'll wait for more details.
Oh yeah. Sorry I missed that. I see "X Ship needs commander" stuff and muscle memory prompts me to hit the reply button.
Well for me its just my own idea of what dreadnoughts should be, so if they agree ok, if they don't *shrug*
There is one thing they can't deny the fleet Gal-x and the fleet Gal-R will be way too similar leading the Gal-x being much more desirable. With the lance,hanger and ensign uni. It reduces the value and appeal to the other ship. Which is why I hope they do something.
It's more about pie . I like pie ! And so do Cryptic .
Sooo .... they prolly have a pie chart , listing all the income from ... keys , various c-store items , subscriptions , life time subbs , etc... .
Now , there is a pie-as-is , and a pie as they want it to be .
Hurting for money ?
Nah .
But I don't think that that pie is as they want it to be ... .
... but then again I have a silly fantasy about Cryptic desperately wanting to get back to the "good old days" of the very first lockbox day , when all the ppl , those who usually spend and those who usually don't found themselves throwing 20$'s at them like in a certain place where ladies remove their clothing ... .
See that proved to Cryptic that there are moments when all sense is robbed ... from the player , and the player will gladly give out sums above 100$ (in small chunks of "just one more 20$") .
It's almost like nostalgia ... -- until I remember that money is cheap ... , ethics and brains ototh ... .
Swap LT tac and LTC eng. C eng + LTC eng is overkill, and LT tac as highest tac is underpowered.
LTC tac
C eng
LT eng
LT sci
E uni
It's a very simple change and is completely in line with the other major fed fleet cruisers.
So basically you want a Fleet Sovereign with a Galaxy skin.
IMO, with proposed changes, it needs to be differentiated enough from its peers. Otherwise, delete the ship outright and make it an alternate skin, i.e. remove the Galaxy altogether and make it another skin to the Fleet Sovereign or Excelsior or something.
Which is a route I wouldn't like to see. The Galaxy can be made more offensively viable, but should not be a cut & paste to the other competitive Fed Cruisers.
It's not an assumption , it's a supposition . Learn the difference .
An assumption is something made with no proof. a supposition lends to the idea there is proof avilable or it could be tested. while yes, cryptic does have that proof its highly unlikely they will tell us, therefore i am quite happy using the word assumption.
nevertheless if you need to pick holes in the wording then your argument must be pretty weak.
And as to "there is no data" -- see that's an assumption right there (by you) .
Said data does exist (another assumption) , Cryptic has it .
yes of course there is data that exists somewhere. we dont have it though, and are almost certainty never going to see it. thats the point. again your picking holes because you have no real argument.
Oh , and in your spread of "things that happened" , you've not given a single example to counter mine from post # 46
That's not how you convince ppl .
I gave generic examples of how this can not be taken as a sign of anything. It is totally irrelevant that they have or have not upgraded ships in the past. the fact they did something different is not a sign of anything and you are more than free to make your wild guesses as to what it means, putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 does not mean much to me.
Your examples of LOR pack is irrelevant to this specific situation as well, as is your belief that you cant release two high value products together. the fact that one is an existing item and not even new is a key factor in that.
So basically you want a Fleet Sovereign with a Galaxy skin.
IMO, with proposed changes, it needs to be differentiated enough from its peers. Otherwise, delete the ship outright and make it an alternate skin, i.e. remove the Galaxy altogether and make it another skin to the Fleet Sovereign or Excelsior or something.
Which is a route I wouldn't like to see. The Galaxy can be made more offensively viable, but should not be a cut & paste to the other competitive Fed Cruisers.
With that boff layout what differentiates the fleet X from it's peers is it's lance, hangar and possible saucer separation. Possible cloak also differentiates it from some peers.
Fleet sovereign, avenger and excelsior have the same two important boffs. There's variance in the lower rank boffs but what's important are the LTC tac and C eng boffs they all have. Without LTC tac the X will never be competitive with it's peers. It cannot have just a LT tac slot, and it certainly cannot have just 3 tac consoles, which by the way I should have mentioned. It should also get 4 tac / 4 eng / 2 sci consoles.
Anything less than LTC tac and 4 tac consoles makes it uncompetitive.
And forget about the Galaxy R. Some people like it but I find it a waste of a cruiser. It was designed at a time when tanking had a chance to be relevant, and the game has clearly evolved into something completely different and left it behind. Same with the X. It's one of the earliest c-store ships and was clearly designed for a game that never happened.
In general, C-Store ships are less impressive than lockbox ones; the latter is simply making PWE more money.
Advanced Dyson Destroyers, not sure they're not selling well; but if they aren't, it would be because they're also not that good. And their bridge just looks like a cheap rework of that of the Obelisk carrier.
I like how the conspiracy theory about this still ignores that if you already have one of the ships from the pack you can't buy it. So kind of hard to see how this really helps them still.
They have been in greed mode lately. Perhaps it has more to do with no one wanting the latest lockbox. The Annannnannagrindaversiry has annoyed more then a few people that where willing to play along and drop a little cash here and there previously.
They have also made some major mistakes in regards to PvP balancing lately with there new tech. I think they are going to find that is going to bite them in the butt more then they expected. I know a handful of PvP whales are all off spending there coins elsewhere at the moment.
Perhaps the timing of the galaxy is a way they figure to grab some coins from the RP element that is still around.
To be honest IMO FIXING a ship... and slapping a hanger on it isn't really updating anything. IMO it should be sort of embarrassing for them to be releasing something that is mostly just a fix for something that was BROKEN. Thus double dipping on people... its like a Deluxe version DvD of a cult classic.
I hope there next cash grab isn't going to be paid bug fixes.
Flagship Assault: Weapon system efficiency + Strategic maneuvering. Reduces weapon power drain and boosts maneuvering.
Flagship Defense: Shield Frequency Modulation + Attract Fire. Improves shield regen and resistance and boosts hull resistance while boosting threat.
Feel free to name them something else, but yes... lets give this ship some real special and not smoke and mirrors, yes?
Seriously? FLAGSHIP?
You do know there IS a flagship for Starfleet right now. And it's an Odyssey, captained by an Andorian. You meet him in at least three separate adventures/episodes, as well as random patrol encounters.
Just to get this out in the open right now:
The Galaxy X is NOT an iconic ship. It's a variant that appeared in the very last episodes of the show. The Galaxy is the iconic ship.
The Galaxy X is NOT the only dreadnought in Starfleet. The wiki lists the Odyssey as one. And the Jupiter has been cited as one in game text since launch.
The Galaxy X wasn't the flagship in the altnerate universe. And has never been the flagship in the STO timeline/universe.
The Enterprise-E was the flagship till countdown. And the F is the flagship now.
The three nacelled lance popping hybrid from the altnerante timeline may be your favorite of all favorites. But it's not the icon. It's not the flagship. Never was.
It still amuses me to no end to see people STILL saying the DSD's are bad ships.
I would say they aren't all that good, no. And, depending on your POV, a bit sucky even, considering how hyped up they were. Second Deflector is only marginally good; and the 2 alternating Cmdr. stations is like the Multi-Vector thingy: sweet on paper, but in practice of limited use (in no small degree due to lack of proper Proton boosting consoles). And the space set is on the weak side too.
If you believe them to be bad ships, then you are horrible at ship building.
All im gonna say.
Then show us your killer loadout, or it didn't happen.
To be honest IMO FIXING a ship... and slapping a hanger on it isn't really updating anything. IMO it should be sort of embarrassing for them to be releasing something that is mostly just a fix for something that was BROKEN. Thus double dipping on people... its like a Deluxe version DvD of a cult classic.
I hope there next cash grab isn't going to be paid bug fixes.
I guess there not really... just forcing us once again to buy ships we will never use so we can have dumb console bonuses on ships we will use. Then drop some (granted not much) to pick up fleet versions.
I don't care myself I would never fly any of these ships. Just seems we can expect any new ships releases for ever more to be some ultimate multi ships pack... because they will tie any improvements they make to a console set. I think its great the ship is getting +1 turn frankly should have got more like +2 or +3.... but that it is tied to a console set is dumb.
So the fact that I have a dread means I don't get much of anything. In fact I get nothing, accept access to a fleet version. (Sorry a hanger doesn't fix its issues)
If I want to use the new sep and wide field lance... I need the refit I will never use. If I want the +1 turn then I now need to go and grab a lowbie ships for a console I detest... would never take into PvP.
So yes I feel like I am being double dipped. Look we are improving a ship you might like to fly now and then... but only if you buy these other 2 ships.
Yes after the last couple months of Greed from Cryptic it makes me feel like I'm being double dipped.
I guess there not really... just forcing us once again to buy ships we will never use so we can have dumb console bonuses on ships we will use. Then drop some (granted not much) to pick up fleet versions.
I don't care myself I would never fly any of these ships. Just seems we can expect any new ships releases for ever more to be some ultimate multi ships pack... because they will tie any improvements they make to a console set. I think its great the ship is getting +1 turn frankly should have got more like +2 or +3.... but that it is tied to a console set is dumb.
So the fact that I have a dread means I don't get much of anything. In fact I get nothing, accept access to a fleet version. (Sorry a hanger doesn't fix its issues)
If I want to use the new sep and wide field lance... I need the refit I will never use. If I want the +1 turn then I now need to go and grab a lowbie ships for a console I detest... would never take into PvP.
So yes I feel like I am being double dipped. Look we are improving a ship you might like to fly now and then... but only if you buy these other 2 ships.
Yes after the last couple months of Greed from Cryptic it makes me feel like I'm being double dipped.
If you already have the ship, you don't have to buy it again. Still not sure I see the double dipping.
I guess there not really... just forcing us once again to buy ships we will never use so we can have dumb console bonuses on ships we will use. Then drop some (granted not much) to pick up fleet versions.
How are you being forced either?
No one is forcing you to do anything, and the set bonus only works on these two ships as one is the saucer sep, and if you think the bonus is dumb then why do you even care about it? its not going to fundamentally change the way you play the game.
its a minor improvement to a ship that some people use already. if you have not bought it before then its your choice to buy it now for minor improvements, no one else can make that choice for you. if you have the ship already then you get a little bonus. great.
you say you dont even care about it yet still claim you are being double dipped. where is the double dipping for making something slightly better if you dont even want it or already have it? the good thing is if your are on the fence and the improvements convince you (your decision) to buy it.
No one is forcing you to do anything, and the set bonus only works on these two ships as one is the saucer sep, and if you think the bonus is dumb then why do you even care about it? its not going to fundamentally change the way you play the game.
its a minor improvement to a ship that some people use already. if you have not bought it before then its your choice to buy it now for minor improvements, no one else can make that choice for you. if you have the ship already then you get a little bonus. great.
you say you dont even care about it yet still claim you are being double dipped. where is the double dipping for making something slightly better if you dont even want it or already have it? the good thing is if your are on the fence and the improvements convince you (your decision) to buy it.
So while it's nice that they are doing updates on these ships and the 4000 point bundle is nice. What about those of us that over 3 years ago bought the Galaxy X for 5000 points. We have already spent 1000 more then the bundle and if we wanted to buy the other two ships will end up having to spend an additional 3500 points so all together we will have to spend 8500 points. But we also must not forget that was 5000 points in the old c-store currency. So if we do the math the old monthly stipend was 350 points in the old currency and now its 500 in the new. That means there is a conversion of 7 old points to every 10 new points so the cost of the Galaxy X back then was an equivalent of 7100 points in with the current system this bring the total cost for all the ships up to 10600 points total spent. At their current prices buying them all separate they only cost 6500.
So after all that, what I want to know is for those of us that back in the beginning that were not only paying for subscriptions but spend a lot more extra cash in support of this game. Why are we getting the shaft and being excluded from the bundle?
As well I have a solution to this as well. For everyone that bought the Galaxy X back then over 3 years ago for that extremely high price. Either give us a credit for the difference in the cost from the old price to the new one or just give us the bundle for free.
For a long time people have been asking for an update (fix) for the dread.
Now they get it... as long as they buy 2 other ships.. that they most likely didn't want.
Because the Fixes for the ship they do own are tied to a console on the ship they don't own.
Its disingenuous. For over a year they have been talking about fixing the dread... giving it some more turn... and they have been talking about improving the lance.
Now they have done both of those things... and tied it to buying a second ship.
Yes if you already own all 3 ships good for you I guess.
Next up they will do it in reverse order.
They will remove 1-2 turn from every ship you already own... and give it back to you if you buy the low level version of your ships so you can use the +turn console on them.
As well I have a solution to this as well. For everyone that bought the Galaxy X back then over 3 years ago for that extremely high price.
Initially the ship was a free reward for recruiting friends to play the game. What extremely high price are you referring to?
Either give us a credit for the difference in the cost from the old price to the new one or just give us the bundle for free.
I remember when they went Free to Play and they made 3 out of the 4 races I bought FREE.
I asked Stormshade for a credit for pretty much the same reason.
I got laughed at by the players and flat out refused by Stormshade.
I don't think you'll ever get a credit from this company for anything. They sold you pixels. So you didn't even really buy an actual product. At least that's the general feeling you get when you engage their customer support on the topic.
For a long time people have been asking for an update (fix) for the dread.
Now they get it... as long as they buy 2 other ships.. that they most likely didn't want.
Because the Fixes for the ship they do own are tied to a console on the ship they don't own.
Its disingenuous. For over a year they have been talking about fixing the dread... giving it some more turn... and they have been talking about improving the lance.
Now they have done both of those things... and tied it to buying a second ship.
Yes if you already own all 3 ships good for you I guess.
Next up they will do it in reverse order.
They will remove 1-2 turn from every ship you already own... and give it back to you if you buy the low level version of your ships so you can use the +turn console on them.
Ok, you do know that you are getting an improved boff seating, and a hangar for free? Those are improvements. I'm sure everyone has their own idea on what the improvement should be but nontheless, you get them.
If you dont buy the other ships, you get to use the ship you already had and it be a little better than before. if you dont think the improvements are worth it, then dont use or buy it.
Despite the fact people want improvements (and ive seen threads for people asking for improvements to even the most powerful ships), they dont actually have to improve them. The console set is so minimal almost no one will really notice it in actual play anyway. If you really want your dreadnought to split in two which it was never shown to do, then yes you should have to buy another ship.
This is all to bring it in line with the romulan and lockbox ships that have set bonuses. Its not disingenuous. You got your improvements but like all the other sets, if you want the complete deal you have to buy the other ships.
edit, and while your last point was i assume a joke, if its not that is not what is happening and wild speculation.
edit, and while your last point was i assume a joke, if its not that is not what is happening and wild speculation.
It was a joke live a little.
Having said that I wouldn't be shocked if they went that way when this push also doesn't hit there sales goal.
I think the point of the thread was more about the timing. 2 failed promotions so they seem to have rushed a quick something they assume is going to score them some quick cash.
The last box and the GrinDiversary event both made them less money then they expected. We all know that. So yes some of us find the timing funny... not funny something is fishy... but honestly knee slapping funny. Someone is obviously worried about there job if the game doesn't hit some $ goals. I am trying to think back... but I swear they have done this a few times before... releasing Canon friendly stuffz when they have a fail promotion.
Like the ananananaGRINDiversary ships I hope this one sells well for them.
Alternate timeline perhaps, but it was an admiral his personal ship (Admiral Riker) and hence a flagship. Not that it matters one way or the other.
This program, though reasonably normal at times, seems to have a strong affinity to classes belonging to the Cat 2.0 program. Questerius 2.7 will break down on occasion, resulting in garbage and nonsense messages whenever it occurs. Usually a hard reboot or pulling the plug solves the problem when that happens.
Having said that I wouldn't be shocked if they went that way when this push also doesn't hit there sales goal.
I think the point of the thread was more about the timing. 2 failed promotions so they seem to have rushed a quick something they assume is going to score them some quick cash.
The last box and the GrinDiversary event both made them less money then they expected. We all know that. So yes some of us find the timing funny... not funny something is fishy... but honestly knee slapping funny. Someone is obviously worried about there job if the game doesn't hit some $ goals. I am trying to think back... but I swear they have done this a few times before... releasing Canon friendly stuffz when they have a fail promotion.
Like the ananananaGRINDiversary ships I hope this one sells well for them.
No, we dont all know that and please dont assert that everyone does because of your opinion.
You are guessing based off of no data, and your own personal biased viewpoint. We dont know what their projection was, we dont know what they sold in the week or so its been here, we dont know the amount of effort and money that went into it compared to other ships and their relative sales. we dont know how much was offset by them being part of a free version that would also have pulled people in because of the FE and the grind and how much people then spent on other items as a result. it is a complex set of data that you have dumbed down with no evidence and called a failure.
Even a failure is too broad a word. You can be less successful than you hoped and still turn a profit. Guess what, the klingon ships dont sell as well as they would like and there are many items on the store that they lost money on and they freely admit it. the game did not shut down, no one lost their job. Its one minor blow in a huge multi million dollar game, from a multi million dollar company.
Not only does game development and marketing get planned out well in advance, they have specifically said that not only the upgrades to the dreadnought, and the fact they want to start adding in set bonuses to existing ships months and months earlier. This just happens to be the time this one was due. It was not magically rushed out because a promotion did or did not fail. its part of their plans. Geko even dropped a hint it was coming on twitter over the weekend like 2 days after the ships came out. This is not just being thrown out there randomly.
Even if we assume it was a failure, it does not change the fact these updates have been talked about and worked on for ages, are part of a larger change to existing ships and their set bonus and it does not make a lick of sense that updating some existing ships that a lot of people will have already bought will somehow magically fix a failed promotion or save someones job. These updates were coming. a few weeks early would have no impact on the games finances. Its future is not being micromanaged on a day to day basis.
The kdf ship has the worse status of them all. And that's not all it looks cheap like they piled up the ugliest ship parts for wrecks that never made it past the kdf ship drawing board.
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Oh yeah. Sorry I missed that. I see "X Ship needs commander" stuff and muscle memory prompts me to hit the reply button.
It does seem like those that already have a version are being a bit penalized.
As a fan I'm glad that some attention has been given to revamping this iconic class, it deserves it.
So far though based upon the alterations we've been told & the statistics we know this will still be subpar compared to the other Dreadnoughts which is ironic given this is supposed to make it more comparable to the other Dreadnoughts. Let alone it's taken SO LONG.
However, I suppose it's easier to improve upon later than to take-away something.
I want to purchase this as a player. I even bought some more Zen in preparation since there's a Zen sale. I'm not sold yet though, but I'll wait for more details.
Well for me its just my own idea of what dreadnoughts should be, so if they agree ok, if they don't *shrug*
There is one thing they can't deny the fleet Gal-x and the fleet Gal-R will be way too similar leading the Gal-x being much more desirable. With the lance,hanger and ensign uni. It reduces the value and appeal to the other ship. Which is why I hope they do something.
It's more about pie . I like pie ! And so do Cryptic .
Sooo .... they prolly have a pie chart , listing all the income from ... keys , various c-store items , subscriptions , life time subbs , etc... .
Now , there is a pie-as-is , and a pie as they want it to be .
Hurting for money ?
Nah .
But I don't think that that pie is as they want it to be ... .
... but then again I have a silly fantasy about Cryptic desperately wanting to get back to the "good old days" of the very first lockbox day , when all the ppl , those who usually spend and those who usually don't found themselves throwing 20$'s at them like in a certain place where ladies remove their clothing ... .
See that proved to Cryptic that there are moments when all sense is robbed ... from the player , and the player will gladly give out sums above 100$ (in small chunks of "just one more 20$") .
It's almost like nostalgia ... -- until I remember that money is cheap ... , ethics and brains ototh ... .
So basically you want a Fleet Sovereign with a Galaxy skin.
IMO, with proposed changes, it needs to be differentiated enough from its peers. Otherwise, delete the ship outright and make it an alternate skin, i.e. remove the Galaxy altogether and make it another skin to the Fleet Sovereign or Excelsior or something.
Which is a route I wouldn't like to see. The Galaxy can be made more offensively viable, but should not be a cut & paste to the other competitive Fed Cruisers.
An assumption is something made with no proof. a supposition lends to the idea there is proof avilable or it could be tested. while yes, cryptic does have that proof its highly unlikely they will tell us, therefore i am quite happy using the word assumption.
nevertheless if you need to pick holes in the wording then your argument must be pretty weak.
yes of course there is data that exists somewhere. we dont have it though, and are almost certainty never going to see it. thats the point. again your picking holes because you have no real argument.
I gave generic examples of how this can not be taken as a sign of anything. It is totally irrelevant that they have or have not upgraded ships in the past. the fact they did something different is not a sign of anything and you are more than free to make your wild guesses as to what it means, putting 2 and 2 together and coming up with 5 does not mean much to me.
Your examples of LOR pack is irrelevant to this specific situation as well, as is your belief that you cant release two high value products together. the fact that one is an existing item and not even new is a key factor in that.
With that boff layout what differentiates the fleet X from it's peers is it's lance, hangar and possible saucer separation. Possible cloak also differentiates it from some peers.
Fleet sovereign, avenger and excelsior have the same two important boffs. There's variance in the lower rank boffs but what's important are the LTC tac and C eng boffs they all have. Without LTC tac the X will never be competitive with it's peers. It cannot have just a LT tac slot, and it certainly cannot have just 3 tac consoles, which by the way I should have mentioned. It should also get 4 tac / 4 eng / 2 sci consoles.
Anything less than LTC tac and 4 tac consoles makes it uncompetitive.
And forget about the Galaxy R. Some people like it but I find it a waste of a cruiser. It was designed at a time when tanking had a chance to be relevant, and the game has clearly evolved into something completely different and left it behind. Same with the X. It's one of the earliest c-store ships and was clearly designed for a game that never happened.
Advanced Dyson Destroyers, not sure they're not selling well; but if they aren't, it would be because they're also not that good. And their bridge just looks like a cheap rework of that of the Obelisk carrier.
They have also made some major mistakes in regards to PvP balancing lately with there new tech. I think they are going to find that is going to bite them in the butt more then they expected. I know a handful of PvP whales are all off spending there coins elsewhere at the moment.
Perhaps the timing of the galaxy is a way they figure to grab some coins from the RP element that is still around.
To be honest IMO FIXING a ship... and slapping a hanger on it isn't really updating anything. IMO it should be sort of embarrassing for them to be releasing something that is mostly just a fix for something that was BROKEN. Thus double dipping on people... its like a Deluxe version DvD of a cult classic.
I hope there next cash grab isn't going to be paid bug fixes.
Seriously? FLAGSHIP?
You do know there IS a flagship for Starfleet right now. And it's an Odyssey, captained by an Andorian. You meet him in at least three separate adventures/episodes, as well as random patrol encounters.
Just to get this out in the open right now:
The Galaxy X is NOT an iconic ship. It's a variant that appeared in the very last episodes of the show. The Galaxy is the iconic ship.
The Galaxy X is NOT the only dreadnought in Starfleet. The wiki lists the Odyssey as one. And the Jupiter has been cited as one in game text since launch.
The Galaxy X wasn't the flagship in the altnerate universe. And has never been the flagship in the STO timeline/universe.
The Enterprise-E was the flagship till countdown. And the F is the flagship now.
The three nacelled lance popping hybrid from the altnerante timeline may be your favorite of all favorites. But it's not the icon. It's not the flagship. Never was.
I would say they aren't all that good, no. And, depending on your POV, a bit sucky even, considering how hyped up they were. Second Deflector is only marginally good; and the 2 alternating Cmdr. stations is like the Multi-Vector thingy: sweet on paper, but in practice of limited use (in no small degree due to lack of proper Proton boosting consoles). And the space set is on the weak side too.
Then show us your killer loadout, or it didn't happen.
How are they double dipping?
I guess there not really... just forcing us once again to buy ships we will never use so we can have dumb console bonuses on ships we will use. Then drop some (granted not much) to pick up fleet versions.
I don't care myself I would never fly any of these ships. Just seems we can expect any new ships releases for ever more to be some ultimate multi ships pack... because they will tie any improvements they make to a console set. I think its great the ship is getting +1 turn frankly should have got more like +2 or +3.... but that it is tied to a console set is dumb.
So the fact that I have a dread means I don't get much of anything. In fact I get nothing, accept access to a fleet version. (Sorry a hanger doesn't fix its issues)
If I want to use the new sep and wide field lance... I need the refit I will never use. If I want the +1 turn then I now need to go and grab a lowbie ships for a console I detest... would never take into PvP.
So yes I feel like I am being double dipped. Look we are improving a ship you might like to fly now and then... but only if you buy these other 2 ships.
Yes after the last couple months of Greed from Cryptic it makes me feel like I'm being double dipped.
How are you being forced either?
No one is forcing you to do anything, and the set bonus only works on these two ships as one is the saucer sep, and if you think the bonus is dumb then why do you even care about it? its not going to fundamentally change the way you play the game.
its a minor improvement to a ship that some people use already. if you have not bought it before then its your choice to buy it now for minor improvements, no one else can make that choice for you. if you have the ship already then you get a little bonus. great.
you say you dont even care about it yet still claim you are being double dipped. where is the double dipping for making something slightly better if you dont even want it or already have it? the good thing is if your are on the fence and the improvements convince you (your decision) to buy it.
Wait Cryptic didn't send in Troops to your house?
maybe I should lock my doors more
I guess they can only afford so many troops, you know, being so greedy and all.
Knowing Cryptic, they tried but got the address wrong...another bug that "the team" is investigating. :P
Doing things right the first time is not their specialty, after all. :rolleyes:
So after all that, what I want to know is for those of us that back in the beginning that were not only paying for subscriptions but spend a lot more extra cash in support of this game. Why are we getting the shaft and being excluded from the bundle?
As well I have a solution to this as well. For everyone that bought the Galaxy X back then over 3 years ago for that extremely high price. Either give us a credit for the difference in the cost from the old price to the new one or just give us the bundle for free.
For a long time people have been asking for an update (fix) for the dread.
Now they get it... as long as they buy 2 other ships.. that they most likely didn't want.
Because the Fixes for the ship they do own are tied to a console on the ship they don't own.
Its disingenuous. For over a year they have been talking about fixing the dread... giving it some more turn... and they have been talking about improving the lance.
Now they have done both of those things... and tied it to buying a second ship.
Yes if you already own all 3 ships good for you I guess.
Next up they will do it in reverse order.
They will remove 1-2 turn from every ship you already own... and give it back to you if you buy the low level version of your ships so you can use the +turn console on them.
Initially the ship was a free reward for recruiting friends to play the game. What extremely high price are you referring to?
I remember when they went Free to Play and they made 3 out of the 4 races I bought FREE.
I asked Stormshade for a credit for pretty much the same reason.
I got laughed at by the players and flat out refused by Stormshade.
I don't think you'll ever get a credit from this company for anything. They sold you pixels. So you didn't even really buy an actual product. At least that's the general feeling you get when you engage their customer support on the topic.
Ok, you do know that you are getting an improved boff seating, and a hangar for free? Those are improvements. I'm sure everyone has their own idea on what the improvement should be but nontheless, you get them.
If you dont buy the other ships, you get to use the ship you already had and it be a little better than before. if you dont think the improvements are worth it, then dont use or buy it.
Despite the fact people want improvements (and ive seen threads for people asking for improvements to even the most powerful ships), they dont actually have to improve them. The console set is so minimal almost no one will really notice it in actual play anyway. If you really want your dreadnought to split in two which it was never shown to do, then yes you should have to buy another ship.
This is all to bring it in line with the romulan and lockbox ships that have set bonuses. Its not disingenuous. You got your improvements but like all the other sets, if you want the complete deal you have to buy the other ships.
edit, and while your last point was i assume a joke, if its not that is not what is happening and wild speculation.
It was a joke live a little.
Having said that I wouldn't be shocked if they went that way when this push also doesn't hit there sales goal.
I think the point of the thread was more about the timing. 2 failed promotions so they seem to have rushed a quick something they assume is going to score them some quick cash.
The last box and the GrinDiversary event both made them less money then they expected. We all know that. So yes some of us find the timing funny... not funny something is fishy... but honestly knee slapping funny. Someone is obviously worried about there job if the game doesn't hit some $ goals. I am trying to think back... but I swear they have done this a few times before... releasing Canon friendly stuffz when they have a fail promotion.
Like the ananananaGRINDiversary ships I hope this one sells well for them.
Alternate timeline perhaps, but it was an admiral his personal ship (Admiral Riker) and hence a flagship. Not that it matters one way or the other.
No, we dont all know that and please dont assert that everyone does because of your opinion.
You are guessing based off of no data, and your own personal biased viewpoint. We dont know what their projection was, we dont know what they sold in the week or so its been here, we dont know the amount of effort and money that went into it compared to other ships and their relative sales. we dont know how much was offset by them being part of a free version that would also have pulled people in because of the FE and the grind and how much people then spent on other items as a result. it is a complex set of data that you have dumbed down with no evidence and called a failure.
Even a failure is too broad a word. You can be less successful than you hoped and still turn a profit. Guess what, the klingon ships dont sell as well as they would like and there are many items on the store that they lost money on and they freely admit it. the game did not shut down, no one lost their job. Its one minor blow in a huge multi million dollar game, from a multi million dollar company.
Not only does game development and marketing get planned out well in advance, they have specifically said that not only the upgrades to the dreadnought, and the fact they want to start adding in set bonuses to existing ships months and months earlier. This just happens to be the time this one was due. It was not magically rushed out because a promotion did or did not fail. its part of their plans. Geko even dropped a hint it was coming on twitter over the weekend like 2 days after the ships came out. This is not just being thrown out there randomly.
Even if we assume it was a failure, it does not change the fact these updates have been talked about and worked on for ages, are part of a larger change to existing ships and their set bonus and it does not make a lick of sense that updating some existing ships that a lot of people will have already bought will somehow magically fix a failed promotion or save someones job. These updates were coming. a few weeks early would have no impact on the games finances. Its future is not being micromanaged on a day to day basis.