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Season 8 Dev Blog #54: Galaxy Class Reboot

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  • atatassaultatatassault Member Posts: 1,008 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    well, the changes were a bit underwhelming, going along with the saucer sep. a hanger? seriously? is a pet going to be spawing pets now? whats that going to do to its cruiser commands, reduce them down to just the threat control command, the only one flight deck and dread have in common? and what of the galaxy R? will it be made a flight deck cruiser and lose 2 of its cruiser commands? thats like the only way you could make the galaxy R WORSE then it already is, your beter off doing nothing to the ship.

    no one was complaining about the tac ENS the galaxy X has. but EVERYONE hates the 3rd ENG ens the galaxy R has. just a universal ENS is not enough, this is when this ship needs to be fixed and brought up to 2014 standard, or at least 2012 standard. it needs its LTC eng and LT tac stations swapped, any tac cruiser without an LTC tac is an uncompetitive also ran, the gimmick lance cant keep up with the damage potentual you can get cycling a LTC tac station power.

    i hope the galaxy R was excluded from this blog so it can get its own, tommarrow. cause, the galaxy X is ok as is, but the galaxy R is the worst ship IN THE GAME BY FAR.

    the saucer sep actually has a real use now, the galaxy X can use DHCs, and wile seped it will actually be pretty good at using them, to bad it wont also be able to run APO, without an LTC tac. that sep console didn't do much to help the galaxy R, it had no way to exploit its enhanced turn rate, and just suffered from being more fragile.




    i must stress, that it will be a TRAGIC missed opportunity if the station fliping tech introduced on the dyson ships isn't also applied to the 2 galaxys. no one could possibly disagree that the X should get a LTC tac stranded, seriously, so lets start from there. the station fliping dyson tec should modify the galaxy X like so

    unseped:

    COM eng
    LTC tac
    LT eng
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    seped

    COM tac
    LTC eng
    LT eng
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    saucer sep is the perfect excuse for a station to be fliped, more so then any transformation. the galaxy X has precedent for fliping to a COM tac, because its considered a dreadnought-cruiser. and a dreadnought, sans the qualifier cruiser, is basically a cruiser with a COM tac, as seen on the jem dread and scimitar.


    the galaxy R should be changed like so

    unseped

    COM eng
    LTC eng

    LT tac
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    seped

    COM eng
    LTC tac
    LT tac
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    this time your just flipping LTC and LT stations, and the galaxy R remains a true cruiser seped or not. id would say make the unseped LTC a sci, but i think that would step on the ambassador's and mirror heavy's toes to much.



    the new 'relaunch' of the galaxy line, you could make it so good cryptic. please dont stop short of what these ships deserve.
    I support this.
  • cerritourugcerritourug Member Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    the new 'relaunch' of the galaxy line, you could make it so good cryptic. please dont stop short of what these ships deserve.

    Good post.
    I am really disapointed about the "new" Galaxy.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Now maybe some people will finally pipe the hell down

    Nah, you know they were hoping for the Fleet Connie-X Dreadnought Battle Flight-Deck Hybrid Cruiser-Escort...
  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    It's kind of funny, in a sense...reading somebody complaining that their OP ships are obsolete compared to the other OP ships of their faction...ignoring that they're still OP compared to the ships from the other factions. Yes, this is definitely kind of funny.

    I would say the only case for the romulans is the d'deridex no other ship.

    but now we have a fleet galaxy-x dreadnaught coming with 1 hangar and cruiser commands. dreadnaughts, flight deck cruisers and carriers aren't meant to have cruiser commands.

    so it's not so ridiculous for romulans to ask for a single hangar or a couple of cruiser commands on the d'deridex. as I say it's the only ship romulans have any kind case for any kind of argument.
  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Capt Gecko :
    New BOff seating – The Galaxy Dreadnought’s Ensign Tactical BOff seat will become an Ensign Universal BOff seat.

    Any chance for a redo of the T5 Galaxy (or Fleet Galaxy) ?
    3 Tac consoles ?
    Please ??

    D'Deridex Boff layout and console lay out ?
    Please ?!

    I mean "all hail" the Dreadnought revamp and the technical wizardry and all that , but you know ... ppl have been asking for a Galaxy Class upgrade since .... forever .

    And you're SO CLOSE to doing it ... so close ... .
    Just one more step ... . :o
  • jer5488jer5488 Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My biggest questions are:

    Does the Galaxy have it's lance properly aligned now (All the saucer's Dread additions are off center by about... 20 feet)

    Does the Venture have the missing windows replaced?

    screenshot_2013-12-09-21-04-16.jpg

    I've been begging and bug posting for this fix since the week the Venture was released. Please give us good news!

    On another note, thanks for a fleet version of my favorite ship. We really DO appreciate all of you guys' hard work.
  • noctusxxxnoctusxxx Member Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Drunk,

    Normally you drive me nuts, but this is a rare case where I agree with you. That is the best seating setup for both ships.

    Its too bad it wil never happen.
  • patientnr0patientnr0 Member Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    With all the hangar ships, when will this game renamed to "Wing Commander Online" ?
    The Cats are already in game.
  • sanatobasanatoba Member Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Awesome! Awesome! AWESOME!

    I regularly use the Galaxy Retrofit and Galaxy X and love this news! I knew there were people wanting and pushing for it but I still wasn't expecting it to happen. And as for those people who say the Galaxy X is STILL useless, I want to tell you it actually never was useless to begin with. I've used mine successfully a lot. I suspect you just don't know how to use it properly. Same with those upset over the lack of changes to the Retrofit and T4 bridge seating. These ships are not deathtraps and useless to those who learn how to use them properly. You have to play them completely different from a smaller cruiser or ship. And now, with Saucer Separation on the Gal X, movement issues from before will now become non-existent. Fighting in an intense battle? Drop the saucer and now you have the maneuverability to compete and bring your cannons to bear on a target. And add in the fighters? Now you've got up to 7 battle pets to assist you in battle. Absolutely AWESOME! Talk about a boost. I love using saucer sep on my Retrofit Gal, and now I can on my X too! No longer will I need to fill all four of my Gal X eng consoles with top level movement boost consoles in order to be able to bring cannons to bear on targets!:eek::D:eek::D

    P.S. Forgot to say, THANK YOU CRYPTIC! As for other people who don't like it.......sorry but I love the news!
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  • rmy1081rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Now maybe some people will finally pipe the hell down

    Why does cryptic hate the Intrepid anyone?


    lol you know it's coming
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lan451 wrote: »
    I do think it's funny though that Cryptic is seriously following it's "Slap A Hangar Bay On It" trend.

    Science ships need a little something. Should we rebalance sci skills? Nah give 'em some cannons and Slap A Hangar Bay On it! (Vesta)

    Oh noes! Our tactical warbird for the faction already loaded down in tactical warbirds isn't selling well. Slap A Hangar Bay On It! (Ar'Kif)

    Galaxy-X needs a reboot. Should we rebalance the boff seating like players want? Eh, give 'em an ensign universal or somethin' and then Slap A Hangar Bay On It!!

    #SlapAHangarBayOnIt yo.

    It's the easy, lazy, uncreative way out for them. For shame, for shame.
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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,328 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Take a look at the Bulwark...think about what they might do with the Fleet Gal-X...wait for the blog...then either thank them or thanks no thanks them.

    That's just it ... It's not even close to the Bulwark or other Dreadnoughts.

    From the blog ....
    Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought – The Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought will be available to any Fleet with a Tier 4 Shipyard. Like all Fleet ships, the Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought will enjoy the standard +10% Hull Hit Points and Shields, and a 10th console slot. It will come standard with an integrated Phaser Lance, and Hanger Slot, but will not come with a Cloaking Device Console (if you own a Cloaking Device Console Mod, you can equip it on the Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought). The Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought will be available for 5 Fleet Modules or 1 Fleet Module if you already own the C-Store Galaxy Dreadnought.

    Basically ... the extra hull and shields and the 10th slot are all we're getting from the way this reads.

    Which is why we need to let them know now what we want in that fleet version before its made official.

    If they change the LTCMDR boff to universal ... then it will be worth it.

    But not unless that's changed.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    but now we have a fleet galaxy-x dreadnaught coming with 1 hangar and cruiser commands. dreadnaughts, flight deck cruisers and carriers aren't meant to have cruiser commands.

    Carriers don't have Cruiser Commands.

    From the blog on Command Auras/Cruiser Commands, Dreadnoughts and Flight-Deck Cruisers were stated to have them.

    There are four categories of Cruisers - each has different Commands.

    Cruiser - all four
    Battle Cruiser - three of four, no Attract Fire
    Dreadnought Cruiser - two of four, no Shield, no Maneuvers
    Flight-Deck Cruiser - two of four, no Weapon, no Maneuvers
  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Nah, you know they were hoping for the Fleet Connie-X Dreadnought Battle Flight-Deck Hybrid Cruiser-Escort...

    So, the USS Vengeance?

    On another note: I, frankly, don't give a rat's rear end about what BOFF lay out it has. Yes, a Lt. Commander Tac IS good. I enjoy it on my Science Destroyer. I don't need it on anything that comes with guns. I don't care about the horrible and terrible power creep this game has suffered and that everyone and their grandmas want everything to have Lt. Commander and higher Tac BOFFs. I don't have it on my Mirror Recon, I don't have it on my Mirror Heavy, I don't have it on my Obelisk and I don't care if I don't have it on my Dreadnought. It's good enough for me.
  • obsidianballsobsidianballs Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Gal-x is a war ship, should have a Cmdr tac boff station. lt cmdr engi, lt sci, lt uni, en uni.
  • mamif3mamif3 Member Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    trizeo1 wrote: »
    Hello Captain Smirk,

    I too have been waiting on the news of this "REBOOT" and as happy as I am that the attention has been given it still falls just a tad short due to the STILL limited tactical ability of the "DREADNAUGHT".

    I have recently purchased the Galaxy and comparing it the to tactical abilities of the C-store version Regent class it still doesn't punch much more in fact punches less for a "Dreadnought".

    PLEASE consider upgrading the tactical abilities as I DO NOT count adding a hanger would sufficient. Anyone who has it will STILL use that universal as a tac but will not change anything.

    I truly believe it is still within YOUR power to give the STO community at the very least a Lt Cmdr Tac station that almost all is asking for. For me it will allow me to use all the Boff powers like TT, BO, HY & TS which I use on all my ships but cannot due to the limited tac.

    I have never pleaded to the higher ups for anything but PLEASE for the love of this ICONIC ship grant us a little more punch to the beloved Galaxy X.

    I hope you read this and you and the higher ups take this into consideration.

    STO VA trizeo@trizeo1

    Its not a reboot. They shook the dust off then added a bit of glitter. Nothing more.

    The free obelisk is better than this ship. It needs to be more TAC oriented OR it needs to have 2 hanger bays and frigates.

    As is they won't get my money for it..... Cryptic you do want my money right? I'm not convinced.
  • killdozer9211killdozer9211 Member Posts: 36 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lan451 wrote: »
    I do think it's funny though that Cryptic is seriously following it's "Slap A Hangar Bay On It" trend.

    Science ships need a little something. Should we rebalance sci skills? Nah give 'em some cannons and Slap A Hangar Bay On it! (Vesta)

    Oh noes! Our tactical warbird for the faction already loaded down in tactical warbirds isn't selling well. Slap A Hangar Bay On It! (Ar'Kif)

    Galaxy-X needs a reboot. Should we rebalance the boff seating like players want? Eh, give 'em an ensign universal or somethin' and then Slap A Hangar Bay On It!!

    #SlapAHangarBayOnIt yo.

    #spacepetsdon'tfitanywhereelsebutscienceandshouldstaythere
    #theromulanshadnocarriershipsandweregonnakeeplobbyingforonenomatterwhatsotheymightaswellhaveslappedoneontheromulant5zenescortandavoidedthesesamecomplaintsyoureechoinginfuturereleases
    #playershavebeenlobbyingforthegalaxytohaveaflightdeckforawhileandnobodyreallyknowswhytheystuckitonthegalaxyxinsteadbutnobodyseemstobecomplainingexceptthetypicalanticarriernonsense
    #hangarsarehereandpartofthegamedealwithitandbegladtheyearofnonsensicalhangarbayescortsisforeverbehindus
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Fleet Galaxy Dreadnought

    Commander Engineering
    Lt.Cmd Tactical
    Lieutenant Engineering
    Lieutenant Science
    Ensign Tactical

    Consoles: 3/5/2


    Fleet Galaxy Retrofit

    Commander Engineering
    Lt.Cmd Science
    Lieutenant Engineering
    Lieutenant Tactical
    Ensign Science

    Consoles: 3/4/3


    Please
    Thanks
    Bye
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  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    I would say the only case for the romulans is the d'deridex no other ship.

    but now we have a fleet galaxy-x dreadnaught coming with 1 hangar and cruiser commands. dreadnaughts, flight deck cruisers and carriers aren't meant to have cruiser commands.

    so it's not so ridiculous for romulans to ask for a single hangar or a couple of cruiser commands on the d'deridex. as I say it's the only ship romulans have any kind case for any kind of argument.
    Some people are too narrow-minded to differentiate between a balance issue between factions, and a balance issue within a given faction.

    It's like "KDF and their cloaks are OP" from four years ago all over again.

    This is turning into an offtopic, but as I've said earlier - if Romulan science ships can get sensor analysis and subsystem targeting, then Romulan battle cruiers should be given access to comm array commands. All the other factors that make Romulans OP should be addressed separatelly.

    But that would require Cryptic to actually be at least a little bit concerned about game balance... Yeah, one could wish.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    genhauk wrote: »
    That's just it ... It's not even close to the Bulwark or other Dreadnoughts.

    From the blog ....

    There are no other Dreadnoughts.

    There's the Gal-X and the Bulwark. Those are the only two Dreadnoughts.

    The Scimitar is a Warbird. The JHDC is a Carrier.

    They had mentioned adding the hangar to the Gal-X before the introduction of the Bulwark. So when the Bulwark came out, it was pretty obvious the Gal-X was actually going to get a hangar.

    So you look at the BOFF layout for the Bulwark...and what they did the for Gal-X. They already did the En Uni with the Gal-X...so Fleet Gal-X...going to get the LCdr Uni of the Bulwark as well?

    The blog will be out next week. So like I said, if it does match the Bulwark BOFF layout...thank them. If it doesn't, then thanks no thanks them.
  • greyhame3greyhame3 Member Posts: 914 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Disappointed that there not more changes for the standard Galaxy being announced. Dreadnaught is cool and all but I'd prefer to use the standard.
  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Am I the only one who hopes the Fleet Gal-X has the Scimitar boff layout :D
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  • cookiecrookcookiecrook Member Posts: 4,524 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Those updates are very nice additions. Considering the Galaxy's have finally been brought up to speed. When can we expect the Prometheus to get the same love that allows it to separate without stopping and still continue to fire while it does?
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  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Carriers don't have Cruiser Commands.

    From the blog on Command Auras/Cruiser Commands, Dreadnoughts and Flight-Deck Cruisers were stated to have them.

    There are four categories of Cruisers - each has different Commands.

    Cruiser - all four
    Battle Cruiser - three of four, no Attract Fire
    Dreadnought Cruiser - two of four, no Shield, no Maneuvers
    Flight-Deck Cruiser - two of four, no Weapon, no Maneuvers

    I stand corrected on that point. thank you for the info :)
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Am I the only one who hopes the Fleet Gal-X has the Scimitar boff layout :D

    Nope, there are a bunch of folks that don't care one iota about any sort of balance in the game...
  • rylanadionysisrylanadionysis Member Posts: 3,359 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Oh my god, are people actually whining in this thread?

    Seriously? Whining that it isnt an I-win button?

    WTF people.

    Quit crying, youre getting something good, and its even more OP pet spam garbage with a mini thalaron pulse built in to it.

    ffs.
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  • carth5488carth5488 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    jer5488 wrote: »
    My biggest questions are:

    Does the Galaxy have it's lance properly aligned now (All the saucer's Dread additions are off center by about... 20 feet)

    Does the Venture have the missing windows replaced?

    screenshot_2013-12-09-21-04-16.jpg

    I've been begging and bug posting for this fix since the week the Venture was released. Please give us good news!

    On another note, thanks for a fleet version of my favorite ship. We really DO appreciate all of you guys' hard work.

    I second all of this. Please say you've updated the model and textures!
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The pressing question I have is, can you drop the third nacelle in the ship tailor?

    Because $40 for the bundle is not a bad deal when you factor everything in, but I've always hated that 3rd nacelle and it's probably going to be a deal-breaker for me.

    Or maybe I'll wait for a sale... Or maybe I'll throw in another $10 and get an Oddy bundle instead... decisions, decisions...
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  • aelfwin1aelfwin1 Member Posts: 2,896 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    well, the changes were a bit underwhelming, going along with the saucer sep. a hanger? seriously? is a pet going to be spawing pets now? whats that going to do to its cruiser commands, reduce them down to just the threat control command, the only one flight deck and dread have in common? and what of the galaxy R? will it be made a flight deck cruiser and lose 2 of its cruiser commands? thats like the only way you could make the galaxy R WORSE then it already is, your beter off doing nothing to the ship.

    no one was complaining about the tac ENS the galaxy X has. but EVERYONE hates the 3rd ENG ens the galaxy R has. just a universal ENS is not enough, this is when this ship needs to be fixed and brought up to 2014 standard, or at least 2012 standard. it needs its LTC eng and LT tac stations swapped, any tac cruiser without an LTC tac is an uncompetitive also ran, the gimmick lance cant keep up with the damage potentual you can get cycling a LTC tac station power.

    i hope the galaxy R was excluded from this blog so it can get its own, tommarrow. cause, the galaxy X is ok as is, but the galaxy R is the worst ship IN THE GAME BY FAR.

    the saucer sep actually has a real use now, the galaxy X can use DHCs, and wile seped it will actually be pretty good at using them, to bad it wont also be able to run APO, without an LTC tac. that sep console didn't do much to help the galaxy R, it had no way to exploit its enhanced turn rate, and just suffered from being more fragile.




    i must stress, that it will be a TRAGIC missed opportunity if the station fliping tech introduced on the dyson ships isn't also applied to the 2 galaxys. no one could possibly disagree that the X should get a LTC tac stranded, seriously, so lets start from there. the station fliping dyson tec should modify the galaxy X like so

    unseped:

    COM eng
    LTC tac
    LT eng
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    seped

    COM tac
    LTC eng
    LT eng
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    saucer sep is the perfect excuse for a station to be fliped, more so then any transformation. the galaxy X has precedent for fliping to a COM tac, because its considered a dreadnought-cruiser. and a dreadnought, sans the qualifier cruiser, is basically a cruiser with a COM tac, as seen on the jem dread and scimitar.


    the galaxy R should be changed like so

    unseped

    COM eng
    LTC eng

    LT tac
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    seped

    COM eng
    LTC tac
    LT tac
    LT sci
    ENS uni

    this time your just flipping LTC and LT stations, and the galaxy R remains a true cruiser seped or not. id would say make the unseped LTC a sci, but i think that would step on the ambassador's and mirror heavy's toes to much.



    the new 'relaunch' of the galaxy line, you could make it so good cryptic. please dont stop short of what these ships deserve.

    ^^^ This .


    ... and if this is too much , just copy/paste the Fleet D'Deridex's stats on the Galaxy R (or Galaxy Fleet) .

    Seriously , no need for a hangar bay .
    We just want good ships .
  • gofasternowgofasternow Member Posts: 1,390 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Oh my god, are people actually whining in this thread?

    Seriously? Whining that it isnt an I-win button?

    WTF people.

    Quit crying, youre getting something good, and its even more OP pet spam garbage with a mini thalaron pulse built in to it.

    ffs.

    No, it has to have LtC Tac and be able to spin in a 360 instantly and kill ships with one shot.
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