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Tac in a sci vessel for STFs

starmada1starmada1 Member Posts: 139 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Federation Discussion
Is this a feasible thing, or just a lame gimmick? I kinda want to try it.
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  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i do it.....and do it very well i might add.....but i am romulan too....
  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Depends on your threshold of "lame gimmick," and which science ship you're taking.

    At the moment, any group consisting of any combination of captain careers and T5 ships can complete the Elite STFs with optionals. Some can do it with lower-tier ships.

    However, compared to a group with Moghs, Avengers, Scimitars, and lockbox ships, a freebie Reconnaissance Science Vessel will look and feel like a lame gimmick, despite being a ship quite capable of performing admirably at crowd control.

    Vestas, Temporal Sci ships, Dyson Science Destroyers, and the like will obviously perform better, and can augment the damage of their Gravity Wells with a LtCdr Tac seat (perhaps spreading a little more Attack Pattern Beta around with its own Fire At Will, for example) while having better base stats to go with it.

    If your normal groups don't consist of guys who compete to squeeze out a couple extra thousand DPS in their 50k Scimitars, you should be fine if you take a moment to look at what a Sci ship does best (rather than trying to fly it like an escort that lacks cannons or a cruiser with fewer weapons).
  • starmada1starmada1 Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    If your normal groups don't consist of guys who compete to squeeze out a couple extra thousand DPS in their 50k Scimitars, you should be fine if you take a moment to look at what a Sci ship does best (rather than trying to fly it like an escort that lacks cannons or a cruiser with fewer weapons).

    That leads me to my next question. How does one properly play sci in STFs? I've tried and tried.. but I'm finding myself quite bad at it. I was hoping to get some pointers from the pros.
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Here's a few TacSci builds I've toyed around with on my fed main.

    I picked up the ARVR (Nebula-Retro) when Cryptic gave it away for free last year and immediately I saw the potential for mayhem with 2 Lt. Tacs and an LCdr. Eng. on a Sci ship. I've been playing around with it ever since, and I've got it the point where I can solo a side on KASE or defend the Kang all by my lonesome. I give you the USS Megamouth. She does crowd control, and she does it very, very well. And with a few tweaks, she does hilarious things as a Ker'rat troll boat.

    I've adapted and evolved the build with the Dyson Sci Destroyer (the free one.) USS Sleeper Shark isn't quite optimized yet, but already it does some pretty horrible things to whatever I happen to catch in my forward arc. In either mode.
    starmada1 wrote: »
    That leads me to my next question. How does one properly play sci in STFs? I've tried and tried.. but I'm finding myself quite bad at it. I was hoping to get some pointers from the pros.
    Short answer, spam grav wells. Use grav wells on the nanny spheres in ISE, the probes in KASE, and whatever comes for the Kang in CSE. It helps to have a bunch of skill points in graviton generators, and/or a console or two.

    Beyond that, there's not much else to it. As mandoknight said, any captain in any ship can make a decent showing in an elite STF these days.
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  • starmada1starmada1 Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Shouldn't it be particle generators? It says graviton is for tractor beams and photonic shockwave.
  • baudlbaudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    starmada1 wrote: »
    Shouldn't it be particle generators? It says graviton is for tractor beams and photonic shockwave.

    partical generators increases the dmg of most science abilities...graviton generators increase the hold and repell force of most science abilities. Both buff the SAME science abilities, just different aspects of it.
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  • starmada1starmada1 Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Ah, so the graviton generators make the grav well's 'pull" effect stronger?
  • coupaholiccoupaholic Member Posts: 2,188 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Combining tac and sci can be potent.

    Back in the day I had an old tac toon who was also a countermeasure specialist. I flew the Hegh'ta BoP with the jemmie set and a full polaron cannon build. I had my sci boff in the Lt Com seat so I could use scramble/jam sensors.

    Buff up, de-cloak, set off a scramble then fire. The enemy was too busy shooting at each other to worry about me and my own fire ripping them to pieces.

    It was good fun :)
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    If you just want grav well for tac, there are lots of options ranging from fleet mave to breen cruiser, all of which retains traditional escort's dhcs, high dmg and high turn.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    sander233 wrote: »
    I've got it the point where I can solo a side on KASE or defend the Kang all by my lonesome.

    The soloing one side of KASE is impressive. Solo defending the Kang, not so much.

    Only one healer is needed to protect the Kang. If more that two players are needed to protect the Kang, then that team is not doing it right, and will very likely loose not just the optional, but the entire mission.
  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I run the tac Vesta on my FED tac toon... she's epic in it.
  • corbinwolf#9797 corbinwolf Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    coffeemike wrote: »
    I run the tac Vesta on my FED tac toon... she's epic in it.

    +1 though I wish the main weapon was not limited to phasers....
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  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    starmada1 wrote: »
    Shouldn't it be particle generators? It says graviton is for tractor beams and photonic shockwave.

    Gravity Well Skill tends to cater towards pull / repel effects. High skill in this will make your Grav Wells pull ships from very long distance and jumble them around. Very, very handy.

    Particle Generator Skill tends to cater to the damage effects. Whether it is from Grav Well damage (if any shields are dropped, watch out!), TBR, CPB effects on shields, etc.

    Also, remember that TAC abilities amplify all damage done by your ship, namely Attack Pattern Alpha (player) and Omega (BOFF skill). Not just energy weapons and torps. Play it right, a TAC Captain can get pretty ridiculous on his dmg output with certain Sci abilities.

    Right around the time of LOR, for kicks, I took my KDF TAC into a Vo'Quv Carrier to troll PVP. I loaded up Attack Pattern Omega 1, Feedback Pulse 3, maxing out Particle Generators, and some other survivability skills. Carriers tend to be magnets for attacks, which was what I was hoping for. Right when I sensed an alpha strike / decloaking strike was coming for me, I ensured high Aux Power, pop APO, pop Feedback Pulse 3, and pop defensive / resist / healing skills as I did so. High dmg alpha strikers would melt their hulls from the returned dmg, and a decloaker with massive spike dmg? They can kill themselves in less than a handful of seconds.

    Since I was a TAC, I could rotated between APO or APA. Or, if I wanted to "make sure" I pop APO+APA along with the rest of the other stuff. The dmg returned to the attacker is noticeable and people will disengage, or kill themselves outright. (Caveat: This ploy only works on certain players. Seasoned PVP'ers will see the signs and avoid you. Less experienced ones will try to lay into you. This build is very good in deterrence and retribution, but very poor in team play since the build is completely "about you and only you")

    The other benefit is that TAC Tactical Initiative will lessen BOFF skill cooldown. This is a very big deal for Science Skills, because its best ones tend to have very long cooldowns. Couple this with clever DOFF management, and you can see why I consider TAC Captains to be superior in performing damaging Sci abilities than Science Captains.
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  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I use phasers on her just cuz... she's at 22.9% Crit Chance, 27.1% accuracy, & 101% Crit Severity.

    Works for me at the moment. If I could, I'd shove AP weapons up the ying yang on her ship.
  • starmada1starmada1 Member Posts: 139 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I ended up going fleet nova as well, its pretty fun so far, but I need to get some better gear, heh. It's a little squishy and I pull a ton of aggro.
  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Try to use the -TH Romulan Embassy science consoles. Works nicely for a non-carrier. Also get the Hull Hitpoints engineering consoles from your fleet Dilithium Mine
  • generalpurpose2generalpurpose2 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    coffeemike wrote: »
    I use phasers on her just cuz... she's at 22.9% Crit Chance, 27.1% accuracy, & 101% Crit Severity.

    Works for me at the moment. If I could, I'd shove AP weapons up the ying yang on her ship.

    I Fully agree about the AP weapons..check out my build:

    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=ussdoofenshmirtz_0
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    My Current Build
  • generalpurpose2generalpurpose2 Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    coffeemike wrote: »
    I use phasers on her just cuz... she's at 22.9% Crit Chance, 27.1% accuracy, & 101% Crit Severity.

    Works for me at the moment. If I could, I'd shove AP weapons up the ying yang on her ship.

    I Fully agree about the AP weapons..check out my build:

    http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=ussdoofenshmirtz_0
    "Remember, no matter where you go...there you are" - Buckaroo Banzai

    My Current Build
  • coffeemikecoffeemike Member Posts: 942 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My main runs them on the tac Vesta... its in my sig.
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