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Why does it seem like the higher my shield strength, the more damage enemies inflict?
shadowwraith77
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I have recently swapped from using an escort to the solanae science destroyer, and with both ships using the set both lose their shield strength just as quickly.
The destroyer has over 2X the shield strength of my escort and far better shield healing, but it loses its shield strength just as fast as in the same amount of enemy shots to put it down or in the case of the borg drain them with tachyons is just as quick even though the SPI's is higher on the destroyer.
This may be my imagination, but when even engaging a single enemy they pound a shield facing down just as quickly as if I were still using my escort.
Both the escort and solanae destroyer are using the exact same everything when noticing this issue.
The destroyer has over 2X the shield strength of my escort and far better shield healing, but it loses its shield strength just as fast as in the same amount of enemy shots to put it down or in the case of the borg drain them with tachyons is just as quick even though the SPI's is higher on the destroyer.
This may be my imagination, but when even engaging a single enemy they pound a shield facing down just as quickly as if I were still using my escort.
Both the escort and solanae destroyer are using the exact same everything when noticing this issue.
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Not sure why he would lose regeneration rate if he still uses the same set, but the loss in defense probably hurts.
There could be other changes due to the new build (assuming you used one of these powers before)
- Do you still use Emergency Power to Shields?
- Do you still use Tactical Team?
- Do you still use Attack Pattern Omega
These 3 might majorly affect how much damage you actually take. EPtS because it grants shield damage reduction which is very useful, Tactical team because it distributes shield power much faster than the manual option and lets you use more of your shield points (also, you will generally have more shield facings not at full strength, which means natural regeneration and shield heals will be applied there, too. Remember, shield healing is always applied to each shield facing, and a facing at top level will not get healed, and thus you waste potential healing.)
Attack Pattern Omega will raise your defense and thus lower the damage you take overall.
I don't know the mechanics of the Borg shield neutralizer, but it's probably its own beast - it could in fact work by draining a percentage of your shield points, because it will always suck your shields dry ,unless you counter it with Hazard Emitters.
But that would unique to the neutralizer.
What could also hurt you - overall loss in firepower, and combats now actually take longer, meaning you also take more damage.
The loss of bonus defense is massive this is true. The best defense in STO is bonus defense and not getting hit and is every ships first line of defense.
The loss of regen rate is not true as it is modified directly by ship shield multiplier. However it along with shield resistance are both modified by shield subsystem power and shield resistance is the second line of any ships defense and should be kept as high as possible via EPtS and high shield power.
Lastly are you still running two copies of tactical team? Because without those or a shield distro spacebar keybind shields are pretty useless.
Yes
Firepower difference is 1-3k compared to the escort, so yeah it might be hurting but most of the time the enemy cannot move or has almost very little subsystem power/offline.
Never ran 2 copies on either ship unless in pvp, and the difference in defense values is 5% between the two ships.
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I am actually happy in pve with the solanae set, but yeah originally I ran the mkxii 3pc. assimilated set and it's a good set.
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are you running the full solanae set? There's way better shields than those. The set isn't bad but there are way better ones. Try fleet resilient or MACO shields for STFs. What exactly are you fighting when this happens? Otherwise idk. I've been pretty tanky in my dyson destroyer.
Could you be you're getting more agro? Science skills like GW and TR generate a crazy amount of agro from NPCs. Getting mass tachyon beamed from all the spheres in ISE can drain anyone's shields really quick.
^^ This. In its entirety.
Also, simple answer to the OP: shields with higher capacity are not just that: they are gimped in other areas (less heals, more bleedthru).
High capacity shields (Covariant) are meant to absorb alpha-strikes; for PvE, just go Resilient.
9 Maneuvers +15%
24+ Impulse +45%
=+70%
Elusive +10%
9 Maneuvers +15%
24+ Impulse +45%
Escort +10%
=+70%
vs. 0% Bonus Accuracy
Non-Escort: 58.8%
Escort: 55.5%
Difference of 3.3% To-Hit.
vs. 55% Bonus Accuracy (Accurate, 9 Targeting, [Acc]x3)
Non-Escort: 87%
Escort: 80%
Difference of 7% To-Hit.
Kick it up to 120%/130% vs 0% and 55%
0% Non-Escort: 45.5%
0% Escort: 43.5% (2% difference)
55% Non-Escort: 60.6%
55% Escort: 57.1% (3.5% difference)
People vastly overestimate the value of the Escort's +10% Bonus Defense in general.
It's the actual maneuverability...
As for the original issue, well - how about some actual numbers and parses or the like, eh?
Yes when it comes to the full set, and yes I am aware there are better sets and/or gear pieces, but the solanae set has proven effective.
Also yes at times I get extra agro, but most notably this issue seems to happen against single enemies as well.
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So far I've been popped (by a sphere) for a 322k crit, 157k crit and more than a dozen 80+k Crits... The 322k crit I thought a bit gratuitous overall...on a roughly 75-80k hull...
Been using the full solanae set as well (grinding rep on this alt, so no "get Borg set" comments please...the alt ain't there yet)
I want to say it is a variant of a bug seen about 2 years ago where a new shield system caused everyone to have shields that were as solid as soggy tissue paper...But I lack enough data to decisively claim bug...but this is concerning enough to make me question a hull that I'm generally fond of.
To me it just seems like now matter the shield strength value even with the exact matching shield power, the ship's shields just poof disappear as quickly as if you are ground combating.
Almost like the wth is the point in having shields, other than to absorb a few shots is all if even that.
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