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romulan raptor class cruiser

sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
edited March 2014 in Romulan Discussion
hi,

normally i'm not really interested by ships, but i found this :

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Raptor_class_%28Romulan%29

a little cruiser with a good turn rate, and SMALL.

if cryptic could create a little cruiser for the romulans, that would be perfect and with a realistic shape and scheme; the dyson destroyer is just meh and ugly.

in fact a ship like the fed mirror heavy cruiser would be a dream
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  • tenkaritenkari Member Posts: 2,906 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    now, if it was on memory alpha, i'd say STO cou;ld use it... memory beta is about non-canon stuff, or specifically "soft-canon" meaning its from books and other sources not seen on the shows or movies. meaning whoever holds the "ownership" of that ship would have to negotiate with CBS and Cryptic to get it in the game.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    As much as I'd LOVE to see various ships from other games, Cryptic does not have the license to do this. Games from other companies are out of their reach since whatever another game company creates remains their intellectual property even after they lose the Star Trek license since...well it was just a license to release stuff under the Star Trek name.
    I know it su*ks but that's how it is.:(
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    yes sad; maybe they could be inspire by this ship, and create something like that. After all the dyson ships are not in the tv shows :)
  • admiraltrappittadmiraltrappitt Member Posts: 444 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    The Dyson ship sare not in teh show, but are teh property (invention) of Cryptic, but the Rom Ship is the property of whoever wrote the book.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    yes sad; maybe they could be inspire by this ship, and create something like that. After all the dyson ships are not in the tv shows :)

    Oh yes, something inspired should work pretty well assuming it's not too close.
    For example take a look at the advanced cruiser from Interplay's "Orion Pirates"

    http://www.tacticalstarshipcombat.com/FASA/sds/Ship%20Images/romulan_v60.jpg

    the R'derex from Micropose's "Birth of the Federation":

    http://static3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090513061549/startrek/images/d/d6/Rderex01.PNG

    and Cryptic's own Arkif:

    http://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/sto.gamepedia.com/9/9c/Arkif.jpg

    and I'd imaginge they could be from the same family tree.

    But please keep in mind that coming closer than the similarities between these ships from different companies is very unlikely.
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i understand, but cryptic can imagine a heavy cruiser, with in mind the shape of this ship + the arkif + their imagination.

    if they did the dyson destroyer, they can make a regular cruiser. ;)

    i bought the d'deridex, but i don't use it, this ship is a cow (5 turn rate) . I have 3 fleet console which increase the turn rate, and this ship stays a big asss. :D

    we need a funny cruiser for the romulan side. The arkif is great, but this is a warbird-escort.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Well I was using the Arkif as an example purely for aestetic reasons to show what could be possible. It wasn't intended to say "grab one of those".;)
    Oh, BTW the Raptor in "Armada" wasn't a cruiser either, it was an artillery platform.
    Mem Beta just lumped three different Romulan ships called "Raptor" from three different games into a single article and then called them all "cruiser".

    And while I personally like flying my D'D very much I can certainly understand that a ship over 1 kilometer long is not everyones' cup of tea.
    The Romulans could use their own counterpart to the Ambassador/Kamarag duo most certainly. We'll just have to wait and see what such a ship could look like.
  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    hi,

    normally i'm not really interested by ships, but i found this :

    http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Raptor_class_%28Romulan%29

    a little cruiser with a good turn rate, and SMALL.

    if cryptic could create a little cruiser for the romulans, that would be perfect and with a realistic shape and scheme; the dyson destroyer is just meh and ugly.

    in fact a ship like the fed mirror heavy cruiser would be a dream
    Aves class ugly? someone has been drinking the koolaid....
  • johankreigjohankreig Member Posts: 449 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Aves class ugly? someone has been drinking the koolaid....

    I agree, this is one of the nicest rom ships so far, nothingwrong with the aves, as for the Ops topic, yes in an ideal world we would love lost of ships from other games, but can people please stop posting rewuersts, Its not and never gona happen, the only new ships we will get are ones designed by cryptic, unless they are hidden in the archives of those sources they have the license for.
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  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    first of all my thread is not a request. And i don't want a ship from an other game. if cryptic can imagine crappy ships like the dyson ships; they can imagine a little cruiser. that was just my point.

    why romulans must have big ships (excepted the dhelan and the t'varo)? And the roms have only 1 cruiser. a new cruiser would be a great thing; with a turn rate of 8-9.

    a new rom cruiser = more money for the creation of new crappy dyshyt ships :P
  • ironyogaironyoga Member Posts: 23 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Aves class ugly? someone has been drinking the koolaid....

    Everyone has their personal preferences. Just because they don't like a ship aesthetically does not invalidate their opinion if you do like it.
    So you decided to attack some spelling error to don't have to deal with the contain and when you did you didn't have the brain to can answer it.
  • davidwforddavidwford Member Posts: 1,836 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i understand, but cryptic can imagine a heavy cruiser, with in mind the shape of this ship + the arkif + their imagination.

    if they did the dyson destroyer, they can make a regular cruiser. ;)

    i bought the d'deridex, but i don't use it, this ship is a cow (5 turn rate) . I have 3 fleet console which increase the turn rate, and this ship stays a big asss. :D

    we need a funny cruiser for the romulan side. The arkif is great, but this is a warbird-escort.

    I agree that if they can make funky ships like the Dyson Sci(psi)-Destroyer, then they can make a reasonable cruiser.

    The Big D'D is suppose to be a cow. It is a freaking big ship!!! Newton's second law of physics regarding an object in motion stays in motion, and an object at rest stays at rest requires this. Unless you want to completely throw that out the window.

    My final thought is that an cruiser-warbird is going to have one of the worst turn rates for a Romulan ship. I think the BEST you can hope for is an 11(K't'inga) or 12. If you are expecting it to turn on a dime, you are flying the wrong kind of ship.
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I really really wish Cryptic could use the old Activision Romulan ship designs, they were IMHO, some of the best designs for TNG era Romulan ships out there.

    The Shadow was one of my Favorites, and it would be prefect for a STO Romulan Science Ship.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    first of all my thread is not a request. And i don't want a ship from an other game. if cryptic can imagine crappy ships like the dyson ships; they can imagine a little cruiser. that was just my point.

    why romulans must have big ships (excepted the dhelan and the t'varo)? And the roms have only 1 cruiser. a new cruiser would be a great thing; with a turn rate of 8-9.

    a new rom cruiser = more money for the creation of new crappy dyshyt ships :P

    IMHO given the title you chose you gave a slightly (is there a word less strong than "wrong" that doesn't sound harsh or patronizing?)...erraneous impression.:)
    It would've probably sounded a tiny bit better if you'd kept the whole reference to ships from other games stuff out of it and said "Yo Cryptic, how about a medium cruiser?"

    Statwise...HMMM...maybe something like the Mirror Cheyenne would work...?
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    My final thought is that an cruiser-warbird is going to have one of the worst turn rates for a Romulan ship. I think the BEST you can hope for is an 11(K't'inga) or 12. If you are expecting it to turn on a dime, you are flying the wrong kind of ship.

    i don't want a huge turn rate, just 8-9 like the excelsior or the heavy cruiser (stargazer); A small, funny cruiser ;)

    this ship, Aftermath's Raptor Class is really awesome http://7space.weebly.com/texture-spec-2-ship-downloads.html

    if cryptic could make ships like this one, the romulan side would have at least decent ships (ha'apaax, ha'nom, ha'feh, dyson are just meh)
  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Yeah, I'd love to see something comparable to the Raptor class in STO. Functionally speaking though, I think the Mogai would be/is its successor.

    I'm still hoping we'll get something along the lines of a Shadow class. It screams 'Science Ship' and I think it would compliment the Romulan navy quite nicely.
  • k9younitk9younit Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    i understand, but cryptic can imagine a heavy cruiser, with in mind the shape of this ship + the arkif + their imagination.

    if they did the dyson destroyer, they can make a regular cruiser. ;)

    i bought the d'deridex, but i don't use it, this ship is a cow (5 turn rate) . I have 3 fleet console which increase the turn rate, and this ship stays a big asss. :D

    we need a funny cruiser for the romulan side. The arkif is great, but this is a warbird-escort.

    A2D is your answer. At 125 auxiliary my d'deridex turns at 18 minus consoles and ep2e. I also rotate it with ApO if I need to fill the gap or come in for an attack run. On some days I'll rotate a2b with it also giving 100% uptime.
  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    You should do what I'm doing and draw up your own design inspired by general design aspects of current Romulan Starships.


    Cryptic can't "steal" from soft canon very easily, but they have shown they are more than capable of creating their own designs. You can offer it up to them.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    kiloace wrote: »
    You should do what I'm doing and draw up your own design inspired by general design aspects of current Romulan Starships.


    Cryptic can't "steal" from soft canon very easily, but they have shown they are more than capable of creating their own designs. You can offer it up to them.

    Depends on how you do it.
    A few years back we had someone on the forums ask how to submit ship models to them.
    Our Community Manager at the time said "don't, our lawyers say we can't use them".:(
    But she hinted that if we posted ideas on the forums it's a different story and they can take some aspects of that.;)
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    A2D is your answer. At 125 auxiliary my d'deridex turns at 18 minus consoles and ep2e. I also rotate it with ApO if I need to fill the gap or come in for an attack run. On some days I'll rotate a2b with it also giving 100% uptime.

    i don't use auxiliary on my d'd 125 to weapons, shield and engine. because i don't use aux, i have grav well, but i use it instead of the need to turn around targets

    the d'd is iconic, but not funny in game.
  • sennahcheribsennahcherib Member Posts: 2,823 Arc User
    edited March 2014
    i took a look at all the available ships for all the factions. And this is sad but my conclusion is that we won't have new funny ships for the rommies. Because the infamous scimitar takes the job of 3 ships. 5 front weapons --> mogh, avenger, kumari; thaloron pulse --> phaser lance; fighters --> armitage etc :mad:
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