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Anywhere a brief synopsis of Dysan Destroyers?
realisticalty
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Is there anywhere a cogent, brief synopsis of all the shis that are to be offered with this new Dyson Destroyer pack, as well as a comparison to/or along with the ships available during the FE event?
I'm becoming completely confused by all the miscellaneous chatter about Boff setups, consoles, what you have to buy when to get what, etc. I would like a brief stat set and any pre-reqs.
There's no way I can afford $100 on entertainment right now (I like eating), but a summary would help me figure out what I need to grind for.
Also, since I have no Science Mains, my Main is a Rom/Engr, I'm not willing to give up my Scimi just yet. I did fly the Destroyer in FE and it was fun and I might switch between, or use it with my alt Fed Tac.
Thanks in advance,
Mr. Overwhelmed.
I'm becoming completely confused by all the miscellaneous chatter about Boff setups, consoles, what you have to buy when to get what, etc. I would like a brief stat set and any pre-reqs.
There's no way I can afford $100 on entertainment right now (I like eating), but a summary would help me figure out what I need to grind for.
Also, since I have no Science Mains, my Main is a Rom/Engr, I'm not willing to give up my Scimi just yet. I did fly the Destroyer in FE and it was fun and I might switch between, or use it with my alt Fed Tac.
Thanks in advance,
Mr. Overwhelmed.
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KDF : http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=1099291
Rom : http://sto.perfectworld.com/blog/?p=1099411
All the info you should need is here!
Although incase of TLDR ...
The 4 piece set bonus requires the C-store ones (Each c-store ship comes with a console), and the one you get from the FE, as the C-store variants don't come with the special secondary deflector
Honestly its much ado about nothing. The 9 pack buys you all 3 versions of the ship for all 3 faction/race/whatever --- the only reason to get THAT would be if you actually HAD a serious science character of each type (rom, kdf, and fed) that was actually going to USE the ship. That is, you would have to have 3 virtually identical characters in order to justify the 100 bucks. And even if you had that, you would still have 6 ships you did not use in order to get some additional consoles and minor stuff. Lot of $$ for a little, even in the best scenario of having all those characters.
If you just had one scientist, buy one set of 3 or even just 1 ship --- and that only if you were going to USE it.
I cannot think of any reason for an engineer in a scimitar to give that up.
you lose 2 weapons, tac consoles, weapon power, and dps things to gain a cmdr sci seat with an option to run in a "not as good as a tvaro" mode sometimes.
-Federation are better off with the Vesta.
-Without Plasmonic Leech, the Romulan one really suffers from the reduced power levels of warbirds. It is still a nice science ship for the faction though.
-The KDF one is probably the best addition to their ship lineup with the fewest drawbacks.
The consoles aren't terrible. However, they do eat up a lot of space and won't leave a lot of wiggle-room.
My advice is if you like science ships and you're KDF or Romulan, it is worth picking up a single ship - based on your preference. The Tactical/Recon version is probably the ideal pick because of the extra weapon damage console and the set console can pack a pretty decent punch(if the FE is anything to go by).
Does anyone have a guess why this whole release focuses on Science Destroyers?
(I wish I had the time and ability to have Fed and KDF mains as well, and Tac and Sci officers as well, I just don't have that much skill and/or game time. I already regret not making my first serious Main a Fed.)
1: Loads of complaints about them having buried us under giveaway Cruisers and Escorts.
2: KDF and Romulans lacking Sci ships overall.
3: Why not?
I'm sure there are other reasons also.
This is not a major release, hence the 8.5 designation. This "release" seems to be a hash of one episode, one ship (really.. or 9 copies of 1 ship if you want to be precise), and a little bit of anniversary hooplah (minor freebies and clutter around major stations).
The ship really was a nice addition. First, its free and not too shabby for a free 9 console ship. Second, it provides romulans with a sci ship, which they did not have before (low tier ships and ships that require a fleet starbase upgrade do not count).
But I would argue with the poster above. Its terrible for KDF: if the KDF want this sort of setup, a BOP blows the dyson away: swap your officers out of combat with no cooldown? Check. 4 real weapons up front ALL THE TIME? Check. Battle cloak? Check. BOP is the clear winner. The leaves it as a decent rom ship, and sort of redundant for the other factions, IMHO.
Romulans have had a decent tier 5 science ship for a while now, it's called the Ha'nom.
Non sense. The same could be applied to fed ships or rom ships. Any tactical ship will own a science destroyer, no matter what, no matter if it is a bop or not. Science destroyers are created to be more funny to play, we could say and thats all. And to have an hybrid ship, mostly for science users. You need to see the science destroyers as a pure science ships with a little tactical boost. Thats all. And it doesnt matter if you have the proton cannon in the front, since you will not be able to boost it (it will be a real waste to use a console only to boost the science destroyer cannon). The only way is to have the full set, so you will receive the boost passively. In fact, when i play with the science destroyers (not too much i must say, they are not really good ships, not without the extra addons, anyways), i never use the tactical mode xD, because it is a waste. And the time it takes to switch again, makes the player to just avoid switching modes. I cant switch twice before i kill anything.. Im not going to switch to tactical mode to gain just the proton cannon and 1 more tactical skill. Its stupid. If i could replace the proton cannon with a cannon that fits my build, that will be great and a complete different story, but it is not the case.
Science destroyers, as some said, are designed for romulans or klingons, that are lacking on science ships. Because science destroyers are pure science ships.
For a fed toon, its stupid to use the science destroyers. If you are able to get any T5 reissanance or long reange exploration vessel, or the Vesta, it is just dumb to use the science destroyer.
The haanom is locked behind a starbase upgrade. While its not too hard to work with that, it was absurd to not have ONE ship that can be obtained from the c store --- this ship fills that need finally. The lower tier versions are usable but barely, on par with using a mirror ship.
For the other guy...
I do see the sci destroyer as a sci ship. But what does that mean? It means a cmdr sci BO slot, for all practical purposes that is the biggest difference. And the new deflector, which currently is pretty lame but has potential.
The new secondary deflector is the ONLY thing the kdf dyson has over the BOP. But I will argue that the second ltcmdr slot, for an eng or more tac/sci, more than matches this piece of gear, combined with the extra weapon.
I mean, run the numbers. Set up a bop with cmdr sci, ltcmdr sci, 4 cannons, ltcmdr tac, and tell me its not a better science ship than just about anything else out there. Maybe long ago it mattered that the sci ships have extra aux power, but I think today, we can work around it.
She is a bit better then I expected. She turns well enough in tac mode, I was afraid of that. It is one of the things I complain about the Vesta is how awkwardly she turns. I give the Karp room on that, 4 front weapons and 2 hangar bays are enough to excuse a lot...
The secondary deflector is interesting. It won't be getting me into a sci ship over a full carrier, but if we get better ones... I could see them being a deciding factor.
She suffers from "What do I do with all these subsystem targeting?" like the Vesta. On a beam sci ship you can weave them in between BFaW, but on a DHC one... what do you do? The dyson at least you can put a DBB on there... where the Vesta I want those aux cannons... and with only the 3 slots I pretty much need to go with all cannons up there... Still... with the proton DHC built in I'd much prefer to use the Experimental Proton Weapon... Hint hint devs... please please please add subsystem targeting to the experimental weapon... it does all the other weapon skills... Sci could really really use that thing to get some use out of their built ins...
Fed... In the end, I think I like the Vesta better... and I don't care much for the Vesta... If I want a Sci scort you aren't getting me out of my FAE or Mobius. I like the pretty colors, but I've learned the lesson that if you own enough ships to have dedicated ones for everything, you lose appreciation for the jack of all trades... Just a hazard of doing business. A good ship for one who doesn't have access to a more specialized tool.
KDF... people always complain they lack sci ships... have at it! I always wondered why you would miss sci ships when you could fly a Karp, VQ, or BoP... but... fly what you like I guess.
Romulan... I can't fly mine yet... but on paper she is the real winner... If I liked Romulans enough to care I'd be drooling like mad over her. Good raw stats, romulan battle cloak, singularity power, sci abilities, decent movement for a Romulan, cannons... I'm afraid to meet them in Arena once they get their sea legs on...
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I think the solution to beam targeting is to put a 360 beam in the back to use the skill?
The Ha'nom is available for free from leveling, I used it on my Science Romulan. There is also a Feet and Mirror variant of the Ha'nom.
Yeah, that is how I am handling it now. Seems like such a waste tho...
It is how I do it on the Vesta currently, as well. I used to just suck it up and put a standard phaser array on the back and use Target subs on things that got behind me.
Edit: And my OCD can barely stand the KCB... now I have *2* bloody red beams shooting out of my ship that don't match...
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Those are level 40 ships.
Or, to compare, lets take the scimitar away, lock it behind a T5 starbase upgrade, and force all the tac captains to drive the level 40 hafeh until they can get the fleet ships... see if that goes over really well with the player base. Its not a bad ship either, so that should be OK to do, right?
The dyson fills a bigger gap for the roms, IMHO, period.
It's still a free tier 5 with comparable stats to a lot of tier 5 C-Store ships. Just because you get it free doesn't mean it's worthless at endgame. When I was using it on my Science Rom I was able to handle all the endgame content with no trouble, including Elite STFs.
Scimitar is a 10 console ship which is usually only found on Fleet ships obtained through the starbase, so that wouldn't really be much different than it is now when people are wanting a 10 console fleet ship.
The point was, you said there were no Romulan science ships outside fleet ships. I proved you wrong by pointing out the free tier 5 Ha'nom. Now you're just trying to come up with excuses.