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keria0macleod
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...that could turn into a problem. Now, before I continue I want to say that I'm not making a rage thread here. Just an observation and a thought that came with it.
Just ran a Conduit Elite. I noticed rather quickly that our team felt weak compared to most pugs I do. Then I realized why. One of the players was in a Constitution class. While I don't know if this person was just being a troll, or if they where simply "changing things up", I do know that it gimped the team some.
I understand that some players are able to get bazillions of DPS and can roflstomp their way through ESTFs as if they where checking the mail, but not everyone can. My Scimitar (full plasma cannon build) sits comfortably around what I would guess to be 12k DPS. Low for a Scimi? Perhaps. In my experience most STF players I am matched with are around or below me in damage output.
Basically where I'm going with this is to say to players: I know some of you get bored or what have you, but I ask that if you must do something similar to the above, not to do it in an STF mission. I recently joined a Cure Found Elite where my team was composed entirely of Connies and a Centaur.
Optional isn't super important to me, but failing a mission because of this kind of thing does annoy me pretty well.
To devs: If you even read this, which I suppose is unlikely. Would it be possible to add a restriction, at least to Elite content, that requires a RA:LH or higher rank ship to be active before queing?
TL;DR
Players causing mission or objective failure due to usage of severely underpowered ships in PvE content, suggest rank restriction for ships on endgame PvE.
~Cheers
Just ran a Conduit Elite. I noticed rather quickly that our team felt weak compared to most pugs I do. Then I realized why. One of the players was in a Constitution class. While I don't know if this person was just being a troll, or if they where simply "changing things up", I do know that it gimped the team some.
I understand that some players are able to get bazillions of DPS and can roflstomp their way through ESTFs as if they where checking the mail, but not everyone can. My Scimitar (full plasma cannon build) sits comfortably around what I would guess to be 12k DPS. Low for a Scimi? Perhaps. In my experience most STF players I am matched with are around or below me in damage output.
Basically where I'm going with this is to say to players: I know some of you get bored or what have you, but I ask that if you must do something similar to the above, not to do it in an STF mission. I recently joined a Cure Found Elite where my team was composed entirely of Connies and a Centaur.
Optional isn't super important to me, but failing a mission because of this kind of thing does annoy me pretty well.
To devs: If you even read this, which I suppose is unlikely. Would it be possible to add a restriction, at least to Elite content, that requires a RA:LH or higher rank ship to be active before queing?
TL;DR
Players causing mission or objective failure due to usage of severely underpowered ships in PvE content, suggest rank restriction for ships on endgame PvE.
~Cheers
Fleet Admiral; MACO Advanced Recon
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Anyway, I love doing ISE runs on my TOS connie.
Why? Because it adds challenge for me, as a member of 20k DPS and a competent ship builder, im bored, so I push the envelope.
Before you say someone like me is dragging the team down, understand that that little TOS connie tends to out DPS the typical pug (it can do about 4000 or so DPS)
So its all relative. I dont do it to troll, I do it because I can.
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Come on now. It's not like he was slamming him for not having Fleet uber-elite Mk xii equipment. Some guy brought in a T1 ship in an STF designed for T4 and T5! I don't care if it has uber-fleet mk xii weapons it only can mount 2 of them. And 2? ensign boff powers?
I don't care what Cryptic says about how they 'scale-up' low level ships for team play, they still lack weapon and boff slots. I've been in Fleet Defense pugs where there were 3 Mirandas. We never got past wave 3 before the base was destroyed.
People shouldn't have to avoid pugs to avoid people like this. People who do this should be the ones that find like minded people and form a group to go take on the Borg w/ T1 and T2 ships.
The hilarious thing is i can make those little ships do more DPS than half of the pugs you see in the queues.
What does that tell you?
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It's not a significant problem anyway. Best scenario is that with gimped ships on the team your own DPS will count for more, therefore you'll be on top of the scoreboard and more likely to grab decent drops, more marks and BNP's if it's an STF.
The absolute worst case scenario is that the mission fails and you have to wait a bit to try again, no biggie really.
It really is just a minor inconvenience.
griefers and folks who want to fly tier 1's in tier 5 content can do that with premades and their friends.
The current mechanics of this game allow griefers and folks who want to, for whatever reason, to fly a constitution class starship and disrupt business as usual.
If they are offended or it ruins an stf for them the comeback is do not pug......when in reality we should tell them....Go make PREMADES for your shenanigans.
I come to play and enjoy myself aka business as usual....those who ruin it for others are not the norm and should not be tolerated.
The few times I did it, however, I spent more time healing/"cleaning" the heavy hitters who seemed to refuse to do things by the numbers, and spent a lot of time respawning. :rolleyes:
It tells me that there are mechanics about STO which severely need overhauled, and that you tend to get paired with the lower end of the DPS spectrum. (Or that your one of those bazillion DPS types :P)
While I agree with the sentiment, those lower tier ships are by design not supposed to be able to handle endgame content. I know said content is stupidly easy for some/most in current meta, but that's a separate issue. Though I suppose it could be part of the cause of this one.
Again, I am aware of it being possible. It shouldn't be, but it is. The problem is I have never seen one of "you". All of the low tier ships I see in pugs are useless. Be it because they are trolling or because they simply aren't as efficient as others.
The solution to both problems;
Restrict endgame content to RA;LH and up ships, and give us 2409 reworks of the low tier ships. (Making the older designs available via ship tailor) Without starting in on the "T5 Connie" stuff, which I am well aware of CBS' stand on the issue, something to that effect would make both possible.
Side note, and for future reference:
I am a 'she'.
Edit for clarity:
When I say "endgame" I am not including the various Fleet Actions, I understand and agree with why they are open level.
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As if your name doesn't give it away. :P
You would be surprised how often it doesn't. :P
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That door swings both ways :eek:
If you do not want to risk seeing a T1 ship in T5 content, then YOU can play with premades or friends.
As the forum wiped my prior comment to this before I went to bed, I will post it again.....
This is a "Free to Play" game that is PUBLICLY accessible to anyone who wishes to try it out. This entitles anyone and everyone to play the game HOW THEY WANT.
Cryptic has included within the game tools to help you find like minded people, a chat system with public AND private chats to arrange games (ESTFs, FM runs and so on).
I will not support any person who wants to place any form of restrictions on other players - if you have a problem with how others play the game, then use the in game tools to solve it, ask for more in game tools to isolate yourself even more if you wish - but do not try to limit / restrict others because you are too lazy to use the current tools to help yourself.
In any "MMO", going in to a PUG system can be fun, can be infuriating and it can be darn right hilarious. From the "expert" players, to the "rubber room, window licking crazies" - you get what you ask for, and using the public queue system in any game, you are asking for RANDOM PEOPLE - so you will get random people.
Go watch "The people of Walmart" music videos and remember....
Those people play STO......
Those people use the queue :eek:
True however not quite. Even then MMOs can and do put restriction on accessing content.
You cannot enter an STF until you reach a certain level, this brings in the reasonable presumption that you are meant to use level relevant ships.
In another MMO you can not enter into a PuG dungeon queue unless your gear meets a minimum level standard set by the developer, yet if you make a group on the realm and enter the dungeon through the world entrance that ilevel restriction does not apply only the level restriction.
If Cryptic wanted to they could add a ship tier restriction to the PuG queue system but not have it apply to private groups. I am not saying they will or should just that they can if they choose to.
I see your point, even agree with it to an extent. I rarely negatively comment on someones ship/build/visuals/etc, Even when I do, it's usually because they made a snide remark involving myself or a friend/fleetie. So long as what their doing doesn't potentially cause a mission failure or similar people should be able to do as they wish. In my opinion though, this example is one of few where it should not be allowed. It is akin to bringing a Man of War into modern naval combat. Simply, logic states it should not work.
I suppose my issue here isn't really with people who do this sort of thing. It's not their fault the missions are easy enough to accomplish that they are willing to do it. A better smarter AI for enemies, and missions that require more tactic than the current "kill it 'till it dies" routine would solve both my complaint here, and the issue of the missions being so easy that people are bored or unchallenged enough to do it.
*Sigh*
Potential, potential, everywhere I look, wasted potential.
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An acceptable assumption, however, there are a lot of players that like myself, have been around since Beta and can do ESTFs in their sleep, I'm 1 more alt away from needing a rubber room myself.
It is also an acceptable assumption, that the public queue is going to be full of members of the public - who, as stated, can be anything from Stephen Hawking to Jim Carrey. If you do not want to risk it, then do not queue - use the ESTF chat channel.
Asking for restrictions when they are not needed because someone is too lazy to /join a chat channel only ruins the game for others and does not help them as real trolls will find ways to mess with them any way.
Well, I've obviously never played that MMO, as all the ones I have played you only had a character level restrictions - not a gear based one, but then again, as stated, I do not go near games that place tons of restrictions on the players.
One of the reason I stopped playing WoW was because some of the players were getting overly "elitist" in it, checking on the web site what gear you had before starting the game, kicking those they did not approve of. (I was maxed out, so never happened to me, but I did not like it happening to other players - so I quit)
They already did, they stopped shuttles from going in - which has annoyed me, as I never had the chance to do a shuttle run (5 players in shuttles) of ISE before they locked it.
I agree on the queue matter, however as you said the private queue system is there for either side to use. There in lies the problem both sides can use that option and argue it. I know of those who do STFs in tier 1 ships but they only do it through private as they think it is wrong to go into PuGs in anything but tier appropriate ships.
People in the know can go into PuGs in the tier appropriate ships but only with the white gear that comes with them and still do better than the newbies to them.
I am not asking for restrictions. However I do see the point of those who would like them.
I'll get that rubber room ready for you
You have played the game, you even named it. The PuG system had an ilevel restriction added to it however the option to make a group and enter through the world entrance removed that restriction. It is even being asked for battlegrounds now. Luckily the kick system did have restrictions placed on it to try and curtail its' abuse.
However those elitist got short shrift on the forums if they complained about PuGs not being perfect or containing newbies who weren't geared up the wazoo and told to go in a private/guild group.
Then who is to say that they won't add another one? However I think they should open it up for private groups where shuttles are concerned as everyone going in knows that they are going to be in shuttles.
As for WoW, I never came across the system you mentioned in it and I did raids in some awful gear (due to only having awful gear at the time) - so it was either not in place when I played or was so lax it was pointless - either way, lets not derail this thread with that cookie cutter game
As for the chat channels, you have less chance to run in to trolls in them, as people get muted in those channels when a team reports back what they did - thus the troll can no longer shout up for ESTFs in the chat - is it a perfect solution, no - but it beats the public queue system where the trolls end up being forced to go to.
As for the shuttles, the way Cryptic made the game, it is all or nothing - either shuttle can do STFs or they cannot, that works for the other ships as well, public or private does not matter due to the nature of the game, so that option will not be back.
This is why I fight so openly and with zeal to stop any form of restriction and try to educate those asking for them, restrictions DO NOT HELP - period.
Placing restrictions only feeds the trolls, it does not stop them, it does not hinder them, it just reinforces there zeal to mess up the game for everyone and have the fun removed from it, thus killing the game for people.
Right now, I can think of at least 10 ways to actively ruin an ESTF in a top tier ship - so how does blocking T1 ships solve that? - it doesn't.
Does blocking T1 ships stop me going AFK? .... erm, nope.
Does blocking T1 ships stop my ship looking like George Takei is at the weapons console? (rainbow / skittle boat that people whine about)? ... erm, nope.
All that restriction would do, is stop genuine players doing private group T1 runs.
Restrictions = Trolls win, players loose.
[*Edit: I have never, by action or inaction, tried to ruin the gameplay experience of another player or group of players in Star Trek Online. I do not condone or encourage others to ruin the gameplay experience of another player or group of players in Star Trek Online. The above comments are intended as an example to highlight the points made, I have never shared ideas or helped anyone come up with ideas to ruin the gameplay experience of another player or group of players in Star Trek Online.]