Can't buy elite stalker fighters

redskin33456 · February 2014

my fleet just hit tier 3 on spire and I shelled out my 5 fleet modules to get the fleet atrox carrier. now I am at my fleet starbase and i still cannot purchase the elite stalker fighters. Is this intended? do i have to own the c-store version of this vessel? if so, that's really stupid, I just paid $25 to unlock this ship...

redskin33456 · February 2014

hate to bump my own thread but is anyone aware of this? when you hover the cursor over the item in red text it reads "caitian atrox carrier, fleet caitian atrox carrier" yet i still cannot buy the fighters

dragonsbite · February 2014

Sadly you do need to buy the c store version to unlock the elite hangar bays. You wouldn't think this would be a requirement. Klingon ship having the same issue. So it isn't just the Atrox. I think it's rather lame myself especially as there's no indication that you must meet this requirement.

futurepastnow · February 2014

Apparently the Fleet Vo'quv also fails to unlock Qaw'dun BoP hangars if you have neither the regular Vo'quv nor the Mirror one. Fortunately Mirror Vo'quvs are cheap enough.

Back when the first fleet bases hit Science V, we discovered that some JHAS/JHDC owners couldn't buy Elite JHAS pets and some Recluse owners couldn't buy Elite Weavers (some could, though, it seemed pretty random). Customer Service gave the usual "dismiss and reclaim" reply and you can image how well that went over, but a few patches later it was fixed.

So keep reminding them about these bugs, they can be fixed, just submit bug reports and post threads like this in the bug section.

fraghul2000 · February 2014

f2pdrakron wrote: »

Its a requirement for 2 reasons, first the Stalkers are the Atrox unique pets and second, only the Atrox can launch Stalkers anyway so the system is preventing anyone from buying pets that they cannot use.

Of course they could unlock with looking at Fleet Atrox Carrier but there are a lot of omissions on the system, like the Jem'Hadar Fighter pets that cannot be used in Romulan ships since neither the Scimitar or Carrier Warbird are listed but Flight Deck and Escort Carriers are.

It's a requirement for one single reason. It was an oversight by cryptic not to have those pets unlock with the purchase of a fleet versions and they're a) too inept to fix it, or b) have decided there is no money in it, putting a fix off indefinately.

starkaos · February 2014

It is Working as Intended. Every C-Store ship that has a Fleet version has a console that can be transferred to the Fleet ship. The Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit doesn't include the Cloaking device unless you purchase the Tactical Escort Retrofit. The Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit doesn't include the Saucer Separation unless you purchase the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. The Fleet Advanced Escort doesn't have MVAM unless you purchase the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort. The Stalkers are the Atrox's console since it has nothing else. If Fleet Atrox Carriers gave away the Stalker for free, then the Atrox would be worthless due to the Fleet Atrox being so much better than it and cause numerous players that purchased the Atrox to be ticked off. So if you want the Stalkers, then purchase the Atrox from the C-Store.

If a Fleet D'Kyr is ever released, then the Support Craft will be missing and you need to purchase the D'Kyr from the C-Store.

fraghul2000 · February 2014

I would bet that the Fleet Atrox has the same issue.

Jup, same thing with the Fleet Atrox. It comes with rare Stalkers equipped, but you can't purchase more of them through the EC vendor.

schneemann83 · February 2014

starkaos wrote: »

It is Working as Intended. Every C-Store ship that has a Fleet version has a console that can be transferred to the Fleet ship. The Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit doesn't include the Cloaking device unless you purchase the Tactical Escort Retrofit. The Fleet Exploration Cruiser Retrofit doesn't include the Saucer Separation unless you purchase the Exploration Cruiser Retrofit. The Fleet Advanced Escort doesn't have MVAM unless you purchase the Multi-Vector Advanced Escort. The Stalkers are the Atrox's console since it has nothing else. If Fleet Atrox Carriers gave away the Stalker for free, then the Atrox would be worthless due to the Fleet Atrox being so much better than it and cause numerous players that purchased the Atrox to be ticked off. So if you want the Stalkers, then purchase the Atrox from the C-Store.

If a Fleet D'Kyr is ever released, then the Support Craft will be missing and you need to purchase the D'Kyr from the C-Store.

Not quite right. There are exceptions like the B'rel and the Excelsior. Neither of them has a console, thus their fleet version is a full one. However, instead their fleet variants are more expensive: Instead of 4 FSM, they cost 5. Just like the Fleet Atrox, which should in return also provide full functionality like the ability to buy the pets.

starkaos · February 2014

A possible way to fix it is to give the Fleet Atrox the Stalker pets, but Frigates to the C-Store Atrox just like you have to do to get the Fer'Jai pets or better yet add Frigates and a console like the Kar'Fi and reduced the FSM cost to 4 with a refund of 1 FSM to everyone that bought the Fleet Atrox. With the current setup, there is absolutely no point to get the Atrox ship anymore since there are far better pets than the Stalker and it is cheaper to buy the Fleet Atrox than the Atrox since it costs 2250 Zen to purchase the lockbox keys to sell them on the exchange for the Fleet Ship Modules than it does to purchase the Fleet Ship Modules or the Atrox.

simeion1 · February 2014

We'll once again I have to ask why, I would never spend that much on a hangar pet and all it gets is battle cloak. I would save the diltihium and fleet credits. Specially with the pet ai, the ships will cloak near a warp core explosion and boom no more pets. Save yours resources for real elite pets and if you want stalkers use the advance ones.

starkaos · February 2014

radakill wrote: »

For one thing, Atrox carriers don't have frigates, the only unique pet is the stealth fighters. The closest thing to a frigate for feds might be a shuttle, and any fed should be able to buy those as they are not a unique pet for a specific ship.

As for the KDF side, the frigates ARE ship specific as well as the fighters, so they get screwed out of 2 possible pet choices if you happen to have bought the fleet carrier and not the cstore version.

The best way to fix this is to simply change the code so the game recognizes fleet carriers as the same ship type as cstore carriers.

You seemed to miss something. I am talking about a completely new Caitian Frigate that is only available to the owners of the C-Store Atrox not some non-existent Federation Frigate and let owners of the Fleet Atrox have their Stalkers. So only 1 Caitian Frigate can be launched per hangar. Shuttle Hangars launch 2 or 3 shuttles per hangar depending on the type. The Caitian Frigate would be the Atrox version of the Fer'Jai. C-Store ships should have some unique piece of equipment that is not on the Fleet version and this includes the Excelsior and B'Rel Retrofit.

After all, why purchase the C-Store Atrox, Excelsior, or B'Rel Retrofit when they give absolutely nothing better than the Fleet version?

starkaos · February 2014

radakill wrote: »

The cstore versions of some carriers do have something unique, its called a console. The fleet carriers do not come with them. This in itself justifies the price difference. So if you want to suggest something that's already in line with the current program, it would be more realistic to suggest consoles for carriers that don't currently have them.

So where is the C-Store Atrox console? The Kar'Fi has the Fer'Jai frigate and the Phase Shift console. So either the Stalker is considered as the Atrox's console and the Fleet Atrox should never have the Stalker pet unless they own the C-Store Atrox or the C-Store Atrox is an incomplete ship that needs to be fixed ASAP. Therefore, the Atrox should match the Kar'Fi with a Frigate class ship and console. So asking for an Atrox that has a Frigate class ship and a console is already in line with the current program. As it is, there is no point to buy the C-Store Atrox, B'Rel Retrofit, or the Excelsior.

The notion of an Atrox frigate wont happen. Feds already have shuttles, KDF have frigates. That's how it is.

Starfleet has shuttles, but there is nothing to say that Federation members have shuttles or frigates. Besides there is the Tholian Mesh Weaver and Jem'Hadar Attack Ship that are at the Frigate level which means 1 Ship per Hangar at a time. Shuttle Hangars only launch 2 or 3 shuttles at once. The Federation has no hangars that launch 1 ship per hangar at once. It doesn't matter what it is called. All that matters is that there is a Caitian Hangar pet that is at the same level as the Fer'Jai since Frigate class ships have more weapons and abilities than shuttles.

simeion1 · February 2014

radakill wrote: »

It appears you haven't read all the posts here and don't fully understand the problem. Its not just Atrox carriers that have this issue, it extends to all the fleet carriers that have unique pets. And you cant buy ANY of the pets, even the basic ones, or the advanced, the game simply doesn't recognize the fact you own that carrier class.

That said, people should be able to make the choice for themselves, even if its not something YOU would do, others may have a different playing style, or choose to use variants of pets for different situations.

I do understand the problem. The zen store owners should get some perks. Let's face it, I own a fleet and a normal atrox, got my fleet for one FSM and I have access to the stalkers. This is the way it should be. I paid for acces to the ship with real money or diltihium. It is not like I bought the FSM off the exchange and literally got a fleet ship for free. There is no console so you get access to special pets. The people who paid for the zen store ship should get something. This is not calling out anyone that has posted but people need to stop asking for free things and either earn or pay for them. I paid for the access so I should get it, if you want access to elite pets of a specific type pay for them first, ernr them free through diltihium if you must.

starkaos · February 2014

You really need to understand the difference between a Frigate and a Shuttle. The Qaw'Dun Bird of Prey and Jem'Hadar Attack Ship has 50 crew while the Yellowstone Shuttle has 4 crew. Frigates have 3 or 4 weapons while shuttles only have 2. Frigates have 3 or 4 abilities while the Yellowstone shuttle has 2 abilities and all other shuttles have just one ability. Frigates are better ships than Shuttles so you can only launch 1 ship. Therefore, shuttles are not the Frigates of the Federation. If there were Escort and Gladius Hangars, then they would be Frigate class, but as long as there is no Starfleet Carrier, then they shouldn't be available. I am not sure why you are against the idea of a Caitian Frigate since it would fix a ship that was seriously broken with the addition of the Fleet Atrox.

So giving the C-Store Atrox a console and Frigate to be in line with the C-Store Kar'Fi while giving a refund of 1 FSM for everyone that purchased just the Fleet Atrox would be a reasonable change.

There are numerous fleets that are selling or giving away access to their Fleet Shipyards so the whole debate that it requires immense resources to these ships is pointless. Also, not everyone donates the same amount of resources. I could donate tons of resources while someone else only donates enough to get 20,000 Fleet Credits and get a Fleet Atrox. It requires a person to temporarily leave their fleet, but people can get a ship that is far better than a C-Store ship for free.

Giving a Caitian Frigate or whatever you want to call it and giving some console even if it completely sucks would make it in line with the other Carriers. Since the Tholian Recluse, Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, and Kar'Fi Battle Carrier have a unique console and Frigate while the Vo'Quv Carrier has a unique Frigate, then the Atrox is missing at least its own unique Frigate. The Atrox Carrier and Obelisk Carrier are the only carriers that are missing a Frigate, but I imagine that it is only a matter of time that some Solanae Frigate will become available through some grind and it only has been out for a few months and free.

The Atrox has been out for years and costs $25. The Kar'Fi only costs $20 and has a console, S'Kul Fighters, and Fer'Jai Frigates so the C-Store Atrox is a pretty lousy deal with just the Stalker and giving away a better ship in every way for free. Every other ship besides the Obelisk Carrier has its own Frigate available or there is a way to get its own Frigate in the case of the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship.

fraghul2000 · February 2014

So where is the C-Store Atrox console? The Kar'Fi has the Fer'Jai frigate and the Phase Shift console. So either the Stalker is considered as the Atrox's console and the Fleet Atrox should never have the Stalker pet unless they own the C-Store Atrox or the C-Store Atrox is an incomplete ship that needs to be fixed ASAP. Therefore, the Atrox should match the Kar'Fi with a Frigate class ship and console. So asking for an Atrox that has a Frigate class ship and a console is already in line with the current program. As it is, there is no point to buy the C-Store Atrox, B'Rel Retrofit, or the Excelsior.

Not only does the c-store Atrox come without a special console or built-in ability, it's also the only 9-console ship that costs 2.500 Zen, compared to the usual 2.000 Zen....

starkaos · February 2014

radakill wrote: »

What your really saying is your pissed that you spent more money on a standard ship and then a fleet then the people that decided to wait it out and buy the fleet and that just annoys you, so now you want everyone to pay so... what? You don't feel like you did something stupid paying for 2 ships?

What all this sounds like is a selfish person that wants revenge for something you did yourself, you made a decision to buy a ship so you could fly it long before the fleet version was available, and you got EXACTLY what you paid for.

Please quit acting like a spoiled little baby and insisting that the rest of the world should have to pay up, even if the rest of the world decided to save their currency and wait it out. Patience has its reward, and while you were enjoying youself flying a ship that has a fleet version not yet accessible, you were getting your moneys worth during the MONTHS it takes for even the larger fleets to finish their projects.

If the Atrox is such a lousy deal, heres an idea: DONT BUY IT. And certainly don't buy 2 of them. There are plenty of other options as you said yourself, buy a cross faction carrier.

Just don't go around sniveling that everyone else should have to pay extra because you think you got a raw deal. You made the choice. Live with it.

As far as the shuttles goes, GIVE IT UP! You want each side to be EXACTLY like the other, dude, it is NOT going to happen. There will always be ways in which one side will be better then the other, and just as many ways they are not. The Atrox has the same shields as the Kar'fi, but MUCH better hull strength. The Atrox also has a better BOff layout with more high level skills.

The shuttles may launch 2 at once but WHO CARES? You get more of them then the frigates so that makes up for the weapons layout.

What you want is everyone to be KDF, who are more warlike and battle oriented. The Federation is typically geared toward exploration and support roles. AGAIN, this game is based on a storyline, and so are the ships.

Seriously, give it a rest, no one wants just a mirror image of the apposing sides, that's what makes playing both of them unique and fun.

Where did you get all this nonsense? I never said anything about wanting the Fed being like the KDF or being pissed off on spending money on a wasted product. And how is wanting a Frigate for the Federation where it already has Frigates is making a mirror image of the opposing side?

As I said before, the Atrox costs $25 and just comes with a unique Fighter while the Kar'Fi costs $20 and comes with a unique Fighter, Frigate, and console. The Atrox might not have been broken when it first came out since it was the only Federation Carrier available and there needed to be some cost to appeal the people not wanting Federation Carriers , but with the cross-faction Carriers having a Frigate, Fighter, and Console, that problem is moot. Therefore, the Atrox is the worst Carrier out there in terms of added benefits.

The only carriers that don't have Frigates are the Obelisk Carrier and Atrox. Unlike the Obelisk Carrier, people have spent money on the C-Store Atrox so they should get their money's worth for it and a C-Store Carrier with no console and no Frigate is not enough.

A Federation Frigate would be more science-oriented than the other Frigates available. The Stalker uses Thoron Sweep which is a Aux drain and placate and Antiproton Sweep which detects cloaked ships and damages shields. The shuttles either improve damage resistance and tractor beam immunity, trap targets in a tractor beam, slow down ships, or drain shields. All these abilities are science oriented abilities and a Caitian Frigate would fit that role as well. As far as I know, there are no science-oriented frigates on the KDF side or for the cross-faction carriers.

The whole excuse that the Federation won't develop Frigates because they are geared toward exploration and support has no stance since the development of the Defiant and the Federation being at war with far too many enemies like the Klingons, Undine, Borg, Tal Shiar, Tholians, True Way, Terran Empire, Iconians, and others. If the Federation was more concerned about Exploration and Support than Defense, then they wouldn't be developing Escorts. Besides, it is the Caitians that would be responsible for the Frigate so even if the Federation as a whole was more about Exploration and Support, then not all Federation members are about Exploration and Support.

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