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seven4one
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Ok, this is my first forum post. So please, don't be too harsh. 
I want to start a discussion about the look of the Dyson-hybrid ships of the 4th Anniversary.
My opinion:
1. Fed ship
The Dyson look is new and we are not used to it, but for me, this mix of the Avenger Battlecruiser, the Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel and the Obelisk Carrier is just plain ugly. It has little in common with the traditional design of the Federation. And let 's be honest, as most important fraction, the Federation has certainly deserved better. (I personally dislike the look of the Avenger, even though it has potential.) For me the Federation-Dyson-hybrid-science ship is a wasted potential, which is not that important, because there are more alternatives on Fed side.
2. KDF ship
In the KDF faction, it is certainly unusual to see the design of other cultures on Klingon ships. I can not think of an example, so in my opinion it is a novelty. However, the design itself certainly succeeded. It resembles surely and not unintentionally the Mogh Battlecruiser, that I find visually appealing. The Klingon-Dyson-hybrid-science ship (,finally a good science ship for Klingons,) is a well thought-out enrichment to the KDF side.
3. Rom ship
With the Borg-hybrid ships and the Scimitar the Romulan Fraction already has absorbed Designs of other cultures. In fact there are simply the logical evolution of the Star Trek movies. First I had some different opinions on it, but now that I am used to it, i even fly some hybrid ships. After the disappointing Ha'apax Advanced Warbird designs the Ar'Kif Tactical Carrier Warbird variants are certainly another good step in the right direction. (The logical evolution of the iconic D'deridex Warbird many of us know and love.) The Romulan-Dyson-hybrid-science ship endorses this development and is in my opinion the best looking Romulan ship so far. (And it is also a much-needed science ship for Romulans!) My first impression was: Wow, Awesome, just awesome! For me not only an important extension of the Romulan fleet, but from the three Dyson-hybrid variants THE must-have ship of the 4th anniversary.
So much to my opinion. I am curious how you see this. And I remind you that it comes to the visual impression. For Stats or the 4th Anniversary please post in the appropriate threads.
Seven4one
I want to start a discussion about the look of the Dyson-hybrid ships of the 4th Anniversary.
My opinion:
1. Fed ship
The Dyson look is new and we are not used to it, but for me, this mix of the Avenger Battlecruiser, the Fleet Reconnaissance Science Vessel and the Obelisk Carrier is just plain ugly. It has little in common with the traditional design of the Federation. And let 's be honest, as most important fraction, the Federation has certainly deserved better. (I personally dislike the look of the Avenger, even though it has potential.) For me the Federation-Dyson-hybrid-science ship is a wasted potential, which is not that important, because there are more alternatives on Fed side.
2. KDF ship
In the KDF faction, it is certainly unusual to see the design of other cultures on Klingon ships. I can not think of an example, so in my opinion it is a novelty. However, the design itself certainly succeeded. It resembles surely and not unintentionally the Mogh Battlecruiser, that I find visually appealing. The Klingon-Dyson-hybrid-science ship (,finally a good science ship for Klingons,) is a well thought-out enrichment to the KDF side.
3. Rom ship
With the Borg-hybrid ships and the Scimitar the Romulan Fraction already has absorbed Designs of other cultures. In fact there are simply the logical evolution of the Star Trek movies. First I had some different opinions on it, but now that I am used to it, i even fly some hybrid ships. After the disappointing Ha'apax Advanced Warbird designs the Ar'Kif Tactical Carrier Warbird variants are certainly another good step in the right direction. (The logical evolution of the iconic D'deridex Warbird many of us know and love.) The Romulan-Dyson-hybrid-science ship endorses this development and is in my opinion the best looking Romulan ship so far. (And it is also a much-needed science ship for Romulans!) My first impression was: Wow, Awesome, just awesome! For me not only an important extension of the Romulan fleet, but from the three Dyson-hybrid variants THE must-have ship of the 4th anniversary.
So much to my opinion. I am curious how you see this. And I remind you that it comes to the visual impression. For Stats or the 4th Anniversary please post in the appropriate threads.
Seven4one
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As for the art style, the only one I really find 'offensive' is the Federation Solanae. Ever since I saw this angle, all I can think is "Motorcycle". I don't like the unusual primary deflector under the saucer, and I'm really not a fan of the split-nose design Cryptic has been using on a lot of their original ships. It's was cute on the Valdore, and it fits with some Klingon designs(namely the Vorcha), but it really has no place on a Federation ship - hybrid design or not.
The look... eh. I will see what the CStore version will be like before I decide if I hate it or not. I bought only the Fleet Avenger on my main cuz I hated the look but wanted the BOFF and console layout.
The Nov Class (Klingon) is based mostly upon the Peghqu & Fleet Mogh, with inspiration drawn from the Qin.
The Aves Class (Romulan) is heavily based on the D'Deridex, with other parts being inspired by the Ar'Kif, Ar'Kala, and Mogai.
None of these ships are "reskins" of anything, they were built from scratch, though they may be similar in proportions and size to other familiar ships. We took major design features of popular and familiar faction ships and added them to the ships, all the while keeping them looking like they could fit within the same fleet together.
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The KDF and Romulan ones do seem to fit, mostly (the Aves is really nice, actually).
However the FED version really doesn't, and it might be because the Avenger itself doesn't really fit into Starfleet design.
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Really? The Fed one looked like a Sphere-ified version of a Luna class to me.
Also, I may think the Solanae looks unnatural for a Starfleet vessel and the Nov's Nacelles are comically over-sized, but they are beautifully made ships that I'm looking forward to using.
@captjamjamz, thanks for the Infos.
The KDF and Romulan Designs do fit , espeally the Aves Class heavily based on the D`Deridex, but i really don`t know where to put the Solanae. Neither i see the Intrepid influence nor that of the Chimera. Its more like a crossover of the Luna-Class and the Fleet-Avenger when i look at it. The more it think about the Nov Class the better it gets. I can see both, the Fleet Mogh and the Qin Raptor influence in this Design. Like i said it is well thought-out and i only whish that i can use a klingon-skin on it.
PS: I intended to have a general discussion about the design of the 4th Anniversary ship as an appropriate feedback of the "Dev Blog: Ships - From Start to Finish"-Thread and the work that was set in this Anniversary. I am not pleased with this thread moved to The Art of STO. Sorry
( and i'm looking forward to flying a romulan ship that isn't Green or Brown )
I think perhaps the Solanae might grow on me in time, I can certainly see the reasoning behind the way it looks, it just doesn;t push all the right nuttons like the Aves does
and then all the bonus tech will just be an extra for me, what i want is the look
Thats accect what i think.
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I disagree, I like that the skins are different, I'm dead tired of all the Green ships on the romulan side, the purple will be a nice change of the usual theme too, though i imagine it won't stay a novelty for long
Also i am under the impression that the C-store bundle version will make a more classic Texture available to use for those of that inclination ( i am all for customisable choices )
At some point they are artistic expressions rather than contributing to gameplay elements.
I also agree with others, the Aves Class is definitely the best of the three, a very good design.
The other issue for me is the massive split down the middle of the fed's saucer section. Saucer sections have always seemed to me to be a way to make getting between different departments quick and easy while also affording a certain amount of solidness to the design. A huge split like that invalidates both of those.
I do like them though, the rom one especially looks awesome, and I'm probably going to fly the fed one anyway even if I do have issues with the design.
From what I read (I had read through all 25 pages of the relevant thread, plus a previous thread too) this seems to be the general feeling of the player base -- as far as differences between the ship versions go. E.g. there were opinions about ALL ships being ugly or looking good, but I didn't see even a single commenter saying that the Fed version looks good while the Romulan/Klingon doesn't.
If I were the developers I would think that it would worth a few hours of work to do some modifications on the Fed design. Of course it's debatable whether all ships need to be equally good looking. As far as role playing goes, one can always easily imagine that the Federation engineers did a worse job this time.
Starfleet == clean: 'silver-blue' || Klingon == dark + dirty: 'brown + green' || Romulan == 'green only' (exception of the first ship).
The Romulan one is the most distinctive, but really, they all kind of seem more like "alien of the week ships" than actual Fed/KDF/Rom designs. Oh well, subjective tastes and all that.
Still, the detail on their models is beautiful. The new ship models we've been seeing in the last year or so really put the older ones to shame!