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So, in his interview with Priority One, Captain Geko (Al Rivera) states that "engineering resources" (meaning people I assume) are going to PvP, and specifically NOT to Foundry.
I am happy for the PvP crowd. I really am. The PvP part of this game has been more ignored than the Foundry historically.
Following D'Angelo's statement that it would be months before we saw any real work on the Foundry, we now get Al saying that their resources are being spent elsewhere.
Kudos for the honesty.
Now, it was also mentioned that he has an "exclusive" coming up with Primetime UGC to announce some "features" or something coming to the Foundry.
With what has been discussed, it sounds like more porting of tech from the Neverwinter Foundry. My response is "Oh Joy"
So far from Neverwinter the tech brought to STO has pretty much just broken our foundry in some way, or is terribly executed. TAGGING for example, when there is still no way to find missions past the first 50 in the list. Authors unable to tag their own missions, when no one else will be able to find them to play ?
Basically, we have a broken tool (any word on the fact that almost all details have no texture and appear as white blobs?) Yes, we as a community have figured out workarounds, but we should not have to figure out how to workaround the broken pieces of the tool Cryptic keeps breaking.
I would far rather see some effort put into actually fixing the danged foundry before bringing in new tech to TRIBBLE it up even further.
No longer feeling at all positive and hopeful about the state of the Foundry in STO.
I am happy for the PvP crowd. I really am. The PvP part of this game has been more ignored than the Foundry historically.
Following D'Angelo's statement that it would be months before we saw any real work on the Foundry, we now get Al saying that their resources are being spent elsewhere.
Kudos for the honesty.
Now, it was also mentioned that he has an "exclusive" coming up with Primetime UGC to announce some "features" or something coming to the Foundry.
With what has been discussed, it sounds like more porting of tech from the Neverwinter Foundry. My response is "Oh Joy"
So far from Neverwinter the tech brought to STO has pretty much just broken our foundry in some way, or is terribly executed. TAGGING for example, when there is still no way to find missions past the first 50 in the list. Authors unable to tag their own missions, when no one else will be able to find them to play ?
Basically, we have a broken tool (any word on the fact that almost all details have no texture and appear as white blobs?) Yes, we as a community have figured out workarounds, but we should not have to figure out how to workaround the broken pieces of the tool Cryptic keeps breaking.
I would far rather see some effort put into actually fixing the danged foundry before bringing in new tech to TRIBBLE it up even further.
No longer feeling at all positive and hopeful about the state of the Foundry in STO.
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I'm not basing my happiness or willingness to keep making missions on non-specific Cryptic dev comments. I've really stopped worrying about anything or expecting anything until it shows up in patch notes. I'm having fun making missions.
My character Tsin'xing
They can't even fix the problems we already have, not including the "new" lame TRIBBLE
rating system and "top rated" list.
Basically, they don't give a rat's TRIBBLE about us nor the work we do, but
I can tell you this. If they did a bit of research on my account or their business
manager's paid attention at all, they would see the difference in my spending from before LoR wrecked my series, and if they were "real" business people, they would get
on the ball and take care of us that spent $ on this game, not expecting the sorry
excuses we've seen from the management when it comes to the Foundry.
I am a businessman, and I would not have any business if I treated my best clients
like this!
But on your original post, they can't even fix simple maps they broke, much less
all the other issues they have. I guess they still have the same inept techs that designed
the Obamacare website on their staff. :rolleyes:
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I don't know, it would be like CoD suddenly make DLC for the solo content.
I have nothing against the PvP community, I am a PvP player, on other game. But I pretty much understood STO was not about pvp, as early as the beta. I didn't stay for the pvp.
You can't ignore a part of the community for years, not doing anything for them, and when they are almost all gone, you start to take care of them.
But hey, let them do that, fail, and then they'll make something useful. No matter how hard they work, this game pvp will never be something to be remembered. Cstore items, ships, and rep/fleet items are too close to p2win for a pvp content. Most of them are truly op for such environment. And I'm not starting with the power creep, or the skill balance (a2b).
BTW, except in a pay to win, pvp players are not the one that spend the most on a game. Pver are.
Granted, PvPers haven't had anything new since Shanty Town, but they only are a few hundred players out hundreds of thousands. While the Foundry is played regularly by thousands of players and often promoted by the Development Team, but it's full of glitches. So you think they would focus on repairing the system with the worst problems before working on a system that doesn't.
But in this case, seems like all they have to do is have the environment team focus on development new maps for the PvPers and have the programmers work on the Foundry and fixing it.
Time will tell what really happens. It's hard to say what the difference between visible changes and actual dev work will be. Actual new features like the new shuttle PvP take a lot more coding than just dropping in a new map or some new consoles.
My character Tsin'xing
Rather than.
Few people are playing PvP, so let's not develop anything for it.
The unfortunate thing is I don't feel they even need to devote that much to the Foundry to get it fixed up. Just go through and fix all the bugs we've identified, and fix the ratings system/UI. Forget new features, even adding new assets. While those things would be good, just having what we currently have work right would be a big improvement.
So, I think they could devote a couple months work to the Foundry, get it straightened out, and then turn to PvP, to try to improve it. I think that would be a much better plan.
I don't know if there's any point expecting anything to be done about the Foundry at this point. DStahl supposedly was a supporter of the Foundry. For a (short) while wasn't he even the Foundry producer or some nonsense title (before they put him back as EP)? Well, despite that the Foundry got nothing, and now he's gone, so why would things be better? I don't know...
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
My character Tsin'xing
If they were planning to do anything for the Foundry, then I doubt they would be downplaying it in this way. I feel more like they would be plugging up coming attention, etc. The fact that we're actually being told that resources are going to PvP instead doesn't bode well at all.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
If they were to fix the map they broke on my mission, I'd gladly design a couple
PvP maps in return. I am sure if they gave the foundry community the love fixing the broken maps and other bugs we have been seeking to be fixed, we'd be happy to design PvP maps.
There are a lot of talented map designing foundry authors that would not have a problem helping with that, but we'd like to see our efforts rewarded with some love returned to us.
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My character Tsin'xing
Don't catch the meaning of that. Sorry, might be slow on the intake today. :cool:
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I side with Drogyn on this that they are looking at improving PvP so they get more players and it is fair assessment since doing that would get a player like me to do that. I currently don't PvP because it is broken. If it was fixed.
As for us... well. What does this change?
Nothing new is incoming. We had our hopes about the search list and tagging improvements but beyond that, the "Where will foundry be in 1 year" post if anything proves we got by once. I would hate to see continued loss of great authors and the shame that new authors can't get their work out there continue, but, I don't get a choice.
I just want to say it is honesty I appreciate. At least they know enough to tell us that and aren't stuck in a situation where they want to give us something but it doesn't end up in the card for "the next few months" like they had hoped.
My character Tsin'xing
And they will not bring people. To attract a pvper, you need a real pvp. Something like EvE, or like many fps do. Otherwise, you'll just have pver playing pvp sometimes. So adding more pvp content will not attract players that will stay. It will only be useful for pver that want to play pvp. Most of them already play.
And finally, the pvp is broken mostly because currently it's a pay2win on a large scale. Many items are utterly broken for a pvp content. And the balance is no better. The only way they have to do something about that is a skill balance and huge nerf. But then, the majority of player (pve) will whine. Alienating the vast majority of long time player to please a small community ? Not going to happen. Except if you are Sony and working on SWG
My point exactly. So what is the big problem with PvP anyway? Lack of playable maps if I've heard correctly right?
So why not give us some love and we can help the PvP cause for them?
Of course, these are corporate folks and don't seem to know the way to
keep loyal paying customers happy, so maybe their subordinates will be able
to make them understand, or maybe the Chinese overlords will see that the
ones who spent the money to make Cryptic an attractive commodity are
not spending that money now. Who knows.
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by Duke-of-Rock Available on Holodeck
uhhh mine was called... <come on brain... we can do this...> ... <Brain?>... "Arena" ... I got rid of it after Branflakes said something along the lines of "bla bla bla, no"
Basically it was just a map with a label for the Red/Blue Spawns etc.
To be honest, if you consider the Foundry in the context of how the game overall has played out, the situation seems less surprising. I basically came to the conclusion a long time ago that Cryptic is a fairly mediocre developer, and in all fairness that may be an understatement. Some of the problems that have occurred in this game are things that I've never experienced in any other online game. Remember the one year+ content drought (in a game that wasn't exactly brimming with content to begin with)? That was just embarrassing. And delivery of content outside of that was exceptionally slow for a very long time.
In a way I feel that we're lucky that the game is in as good a condition as it is today, considering what it's gone through. It's not like the Foundry has been the only problem with the game. I guess it's good that PvP will finally be getting some attention.
Click here for my Foundry tutorial on Creating A Custom Interior Map.
Also, Cryptic probably sees PvP as easier to monetize than the Foundry. More PvPers = more demand for high-end/specialized gear = more need for dilithium = more people spending real money on Zen to convert to dilithium.
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P2win works. It makes money. But it also tag your game as an "evil" f2p, greedy and everything. Which is true. I'm not sure Cryptic would like that.
In the end, I'm not sure the revenue would make it for the loss, through reputation, and serious pvper that will never comes.
Also comes the moral stance. Cryptic have done some greedy things. But in the end, they try to stay true to something. No content for sale, no SWTOR BS like paying to sprint, to have more loot or even to have a christmas event. Just like any other business, they have overlords to please, and money to make.
And as of right now, the active pvper in this game, those that only play pvp, or for the majority of their play time, are incredibly few. Not enough to sustain anything.
This. Sto was never built for that.
On the other hand, once in a while, you have some players asking for more pve in EvE. Saying they shouldn't get ganked and whatever. For the same reasons, it wouldn't work if CCP listened.