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O.k., planning on getting the Nebula Retrofit.... :)

capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
edited January 2014 in Federation Discussion
Yeah, I -know- I JUST missed a free one recently(I started playing just after the free giveaway ended), but I'm finally within striking distance of the Advanced Research Vessel Retrofit(hereafter referred to as the Nebula R)...bought some Zen yesterday(from the actual store, not a scam site, so don't worry!), and I just wanted to ask a few questions and ask some advice in advance! :)

At the time of this posting, I have the complete 3-piece Assimilated Borg, Breen, and Jem'Hadar space sets, as well as 2 of the 3 pieces of the Omega space set, with the 3rd coming soon enough, and I'm wondering which set would the Nebula R benefit most from, given my defensive support play-style? Please note, that I don't engage in any PvP, so disregard anything involving it, heh.

Also, I remember reading in a post in this same forum earlier, that, if you buy the C-Store version of a ship, and if it has a Fleet counterpart, said counterpart's cost is cut from 4 Fleet Modules to -1-...can someone clarify/confirm that? I ask because, if it's true, I can turn around and immediately get it, too; I have 1 Fleet Module, and plenty of Fleet Credits/Provisions.

I also understand, and just want to be certain, that, the Nebula R would be an account-wide unlock for all Fed characters, while the Fleet Nebula R would only be specifically for the character it's 'bought' on, correct?

...and thanks in advance! :)
When in doubt...Gravity Well TO THE FACE!! :D
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  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    C-store ships of Tier 5 level will confer the fleet ship module discount for the equivalent Fleet ship. So yeah, if you bought the Nebula-Retrofit, you will get the discount for the Fleet Nebula. Also the c-store ship is an account-wide unlock, but the FLEET ship isn't. So in other words, if you had two characters then both could claim the Nebula-R, but you would have to buy the Fleet Nebula for each of them.
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Account wide, yes, discount from 4 to 1 fleet modules, yes.

    Use 2 piece assimilated set plus a large covariant shield. You get borg shield regen set bonus minus the horrible small cap of the borg shield.

    Buy a vesta or carrier or something. There are better science boats out there than nebula.
  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The C-stor version will be an account winde unlock and the Fleet version is 1 module. Now if you are getting this ship for role-playing or if it is your favorite Trek ship then go for it, But if you are wanting a great Sci ship get the Vesta or Fleet nova. The vesta being the best from the C-store. As far as sets go the 2 piece borg with a Fleet resiliant shield is a great combo. Ge the cutting beam and the console to go with it also.
  • capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    noblet wrote: »
    Account wide, yes, discount from 4 to 1 fleet modules, yes.

    Use 2 piece assimilated set plus a large covariant shield. You get borg shield regen set bonus minus the horrible small cap of the borg shield.

    Buy a vesta or carrier or something. There are better science boats out there than nebula.

    I already have an Obliesk Carrier for key situations, so I'm good there....

    Another factor in choosing the Nebula R that I forgot to mention, is my current unemployment situation...took what little leftover holiday $ I had to get me to the 1940 Zen I have now, and the rest will come easily enough tonight; so I'm going with what I feel is the best 'bang for the buck'...I'll be compensating for the Nebula R's turn rate with some RCS consoles I have on-hand, and attempting to put everything else into piling on it's defensive capabilities.

    As much as I like the Vesta(not that I've seen many in use, oddly), something about the Nebula R just -feels- right to me...though I do appreciate the advice I've received so far, and I'm SURE I'll be asking more questions once I'm cruising around! :D
    When in doubt...Gravity Well TO THE FACE!! :D
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    For a sci-oriented build, the only choice is Adapted MACO [aka Klingon Honor Guard]. The deflector gives the most boosts to offensive and defensive sci skills, and the shield is massive which works well with high shield mod levels of science vessels, and the 3-pc set gives you a kind of cloak ability (very limited but its there).

    For a cruiser-oriented build (which the Nebula is capable of, to some degree), I generally prefer the 3-pc Borg sets. Dont worry about the smaller shield capacity, it will work well with the Nebula due to the high shield mod.

    The omega set is also an option but I find it is very niche but it might work well with a hybrid Nebula

    You should sit down and compare set defectors and see which one has the skill boosts that match with the BOFF abilitiies that you will be using. Then go from there.
  • capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    For a sci-oriented build, the only choice is Adapted MACO [aka Klingon Honor Guard]. The deflector gives the most boosts to offensive and defensive sci skills, and the shield is massive which works well with high shield mod levels of science vessels, and the 3-pc set gives you a kind of cloak ability (very limited but its there).

    For a cruiser-oriented build (which the Nebula is capable of, to some degree), I generally prefer the 3-pc Borg sets. Dont worry about the smaller shield capacity, it will work well with the Nebula due to the high shield mod.

    The omega set is also an option but I find it is very niche but it might work well with a hybrid Nebula

    You should sit down and compare set defectors and see which one has the skill boosts that match with the BOFF abilitiies that you will be using. Then go from there.

    I'm close to completing the Omega set...the 3rd piece is mostly 'paid' for, and I already have the set's Deflector...I wonder if it would pair up well with the Assimilated Borg parts.... *ponders*
    When in doubt...Gravity Well TO THE FACE!! :D
  • nobletnoblet Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    capemike4 wrote: »
    I already have an Obliesk Carrier for key situations, so I'm good there....

    Another factor in choosing the Nebula R that I forgot to mention, is my current unemployment situation...took what little leftover holiday $ I had to get me to the 1940 Zen I have now, and the rest will come easily enough tonight; so I'm going with what I feel is the best 'bang for the buck'...I'll be compensating for the Nebula R's turn rate with some RCS consoles I have on-hand, and attempting to put everything else into piling on it's defensive capabilities.

    As much as I like the Vesta(not that I've seen many in use, oddly), something about the Nebula R just -feels- right to me...though I do appreciate the advice I've received so far, and I'm SURE I'll be asking more questions once I'm cruising around! :D

    Look at function instead of appearance. Obliesk is an eng carrier, much like the mirror Vo'quv. It's not comparable to a science ship.

    Atrox would be a science carrier, with the same science potential as Nebula, but with fighters. Vesta would offer greater science potential than Nebula. Both are superior to Nebula for different reasons.

    If you're into RP, then function is a moot point. Just cruise around in a connie or something while RPing, and keep a real ship to switch to for the STFs.
  • jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    The nebula is a fine ship and is very survivable and quite flexible to boot. Personally I would get the adapted maco deflector and engines. For a sci ship there really is no better deflector from the rep stores. In the meantime you can build a nice drain boat with the jem hadar deflector. You could also equip the jem hadar engines for the polaron damage boost. Heck even the jem hadar shield is quite decent, I put 2 toons through the omega rep grind with the jem hadar set and polaron weapons.
    My carrier is more powerful than your gal-dread
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Like others have said, it's a matter of taste in the end. I have a Fleet Nebula (and store Nebula for that matter) and I like it very much. It's flexible and fun to fly and can be pretty deadly.

    The thing is, if you are going for performance you don't want anything else next to the Vesta. It is the end-to-all science vessel in this game - sad truth is that STO just has "the best" in each category that's pretty much without alternative if you go for performance.
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  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I dont know about the Vesta being the "end-all" to Sci ships. The Wells with the Temporial set it pretty special. But I dont see the OP having the Temporial Destroyer and the Wells plus all the Lobi consoles. With just a few more weeks of grinding Dil he could get a Tac or Sci or the Eng Vesta. Granted the vesta pack is awesome but if he has 1950 Zen another 550 is very obtainable. To me the Fleet Nebula is just so (Meh).
  • capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    After a lotta thought, I remembered past games(as I may've mentioned before) where I've gone with an under-rated unit or obscure idea, and subsequently turned it into something of considerable note...and my gut instinct said to go with the Nebula Retrofit, so....

    Say hello to the U.S.S. Chattanooga, NCC-92824-B! :)

    With effectively all the equipment removed from my lv 40 Sci ship, and some new stuff to fill in a few extra slots, early tests have proven quite positive; in PvE(remember, no PvP for me), this ship can take a beating, and I was quite capable of keeping myself and allies alive when the need arose...; my main character will have the Fleet version shown here(with the non-Fleet version on standby), and my alt Fed gets the non-Fleet version once she's at a high enough rank!
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  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'll be watching this thread :) Check out my contribution to the Nebula: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=971081&highlight=Nebula

    It's far from the perfect build, so I'll be watching your thread for anything more to help me out :cool:
  • capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'll be watching this thread :) Check out my contribution to the Nebula: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=971081&highlight=Nebula

    It's far from the perfect build, so I'll be watching your thread for anything more to help me out :cool:

    I wish I had a way of posting up what the ship has here without having to manually tab back and forth...and a lot of pen and paper work! :(

    Even though I'm a Free player(or perhaps BECAUSE of it), I'm just having to put the very best I can get into this ship...no Fleet equipment just yet...that's still well beyond my means, but I'm close to getting the Borg Cutting Beam on it...maybe 14000 Dil away...paired in the rear with the Voth Omnidirectional Antiproton weapon(beam-turret?) and the Breen Transphasic Cluster Launcher, I could effectively bring 4 beams to bear on a target in the front(2 Voth Antiproton X beam arrays up front - very rare versions, I believe, along with a Rapid Reload Transphasic Torp Launcher), with a wide area of coverage overall.

    Like you, Cmdrscarlet, it's meant entirely for PvE and STF/ESTFs, but I'd be happy to share what little I can with you...toss me a line, sometime! :)
    When in doubt...Gravity Well TO THE FACE!! :D
  • sirokksirokk Member Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    If you really got your heart set on the Nebula-R, then go for it, but I have to +1 the Vesta (Multi-Mission Explorer).

    I mainly fly the Tactical version even though I got the 3-pack. It is extremely FUN for my Eng and Sci. For 550 more Zen you get a choice of 1 of 3 Vesta ships (main different is the console layouts and inherent power boosts.)

    STOWiki has a comparison table that compares the Vestas and the Nebula: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Multi-Mission_Strategic_Explorer

    Good luck and have fun with whatever your choose!
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I got the free retrofit, then went and bought the fleet upgrade, as well as the lower-tier refit for the console, and after all that its currently acting as a storage ship for parts. It doesnt have a distinct capability that isnt served just as well by one of my other ships.
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'll post my build here

    http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/?build=ussemmylou_5506

    I can solo the "turret/hard points" in the breach elite and save all ships by myself. A GW3 pull and a grav torpedo spread on top is pretty deadly - it's of course neither and top-gear-build nor better than a Vesta, but I hav lots of fun with her.
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  • jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I got the free retrofit, then went and bought the fleet upgrade, as well as the lower-tier refit for the console, and after all that its currently acting as a storage ship for parts. It doesnt have a distinct capability that isnt served just as well by one of my other ships.

    True that it does not really bring anything big by itself, but I find it fun, mostly just for variety. Most of my time is spent in my vesta with my nebula on hot standby.
    My carrier is more powerful than your gal-dread
  • cmdrscarletcmdrscarlet Member Posts: 5,137 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    After more tinkering I am slowly learning that this ship *is* fun to use ... but knowing there is "better" eats away at the corner of my mind.
  • jagdhippiesjagdhippies Member Posts: 676 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I play in ships that are 'not the best' all of the time and I do quite well. If it is fun for you then you made the right choice.
    My carrier is more powerful than your gal-dread
  • angrytargangrytarg Member Posts: 11,001 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    After more tinkering I am slowly learning that this ship *is* fun to use ... but knowing there is "better" eats away at the corner of my mind.

    That's one of the main problems the Galaxy captains have :D Representation accuracy aside, it's fun (in my opinion at least) to stick with a ship you like and just make it work despite all the advantages other ships get. My character's all command ONE ship. It's theirs. They don't hop in different "Starfighters" all the time, and I make the best out of it. If I want another ship I'm creating another character.

    Of course I experiment with another ship from time to time, but most of the time I just find that it doesn't work for me. For example, my Galaxy engie and my nebula sci both also have mirror escorts in "the hangar" which I tried to make work, but they just aren't much fun. In some cases I transfer them to a mirror ship, change bios and uniforms and "RP" a bit, but effectively it's one crew, one ship.
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    "No. Men do not roar. Women roar. Then they hurl heavy objects... and claw at you." -Worf, son of Mogh
    "A filthy, mangy beast, but in its bony breast beat the heart of a warrior" - "faithful" (...) "but ever-ready to follow the call of the wild." - Martok, about a Targ
    "That pig smelled horrid. A sweet-sour, extremely pungent odor. I showered and showered, and it took me a week to get rid of it!" - Robert Justman, appreciating Emmy-Lou
  • sevmragesevmrage Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm kind of the same way. I have nothing in my stable but cruisers and two escorts. Each ship has a different build and energy type. Despite all that, I fly my Galaxy-X, it's my pride and joy, it has all my best parts on it. I even have a Jem'Hadar Dreadnought Carrier, but I still love my X, it's my baby, and right now, even if I put my best build on it, my Gal-X will out DPS it. Like Targ said, fly what you like.
    Your love and dedication will show through, as you learn its intricacies, and work your build around it to where it flies just how you like it. I have better ships, too. JHDC, AC, Mirror AC, the two Mirror 'Scorts. At one point, my T4 Galaxy outdid my X in DPS. It could still come close even now with it's AP build.
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  • guard41guard41 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I don't know if I have the best build for a Fleet Nebula or not, but I love how my ship turned out. I got it because I wanted a tough ship like the assault cruiser I got while leveling up and the universal officer station let me put the tactical skills i wanted, 2 sets of tactical team, APB and FAW. I will get 10k dps in stfs and it seems like nothing escapes its gravity well :)
  • capemike4capemike4 Member Posts: 394 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I'm quite thoroughly enjoying my Fleet Nebula, and a friend has already nicknamed it the 'Battle Pancake'! :D

    Added the Borg Cutting Beam to it yesterday(sacrificing one of my Voth Antiproton Beams in the back), and this thing HURTS if I manage to drop a mob's shield, though, as far as I can tell, it doesn't benefit from any BoFF abilities, such as Beam Overload or Fire at Will...; it becomes especially deadly if my timing is good and it makes contact at around the same time my Breen Transphasic Cluster Launcher gets there and deploys...potentially hideous amounts of hull damage in the blink of an eye!

    The Tachyon Detection Grid has already proven itself on one occasion, helping my team to find a few Klingon ships lurking nearby during an STF .

    It's quite a defensive ship, able to keep itself -and- it's allies alive, so long as I'm not too distracted with all the mayhem going on! :D
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  • sirokksirokk Member Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I play in ships that are 'not the best' all of the time and I do quite well. If it is fun for you then you made the right choice.

    With my +1 the Vesta response aside, I personally like the idea of taking older things and making them useful again, so this thread (and other threads) has gotten me to look back at my older ships and giving them another shot.

    I'm usually flying a Vesta, Excelsior or the AC-R, but get bord and need to change things out...

    I had recently taken my Tier-2 Constitution back into action pretty successfully playing content in Tau Dawa, not really high DPS, of course, but survivable and completing missions.

    Another has been my T5 Galaxy from the my veteran rewards. I put top gear on it and puts out decent DPS and fun to just see the Galaxy class in action. I just learned that the Saucer Separation gives a +15 Weapon power boost to the Stardrive section - it takes up a console slot but I will want to try that out!

    After reading the love in this thread, the next will be the Nebula-R! I started to build it up with Polarons for a drain build - I need to revisit this.
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