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Scimitar in Kerrat.

chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
edited January 2014 in PvP Gameplay
Today was my first time in kerrat and i did surprising well! i killed more than i died but as i reveled in the geometric orgy of borg death, i wondered, why are there very little scimmies in here? Is it the exploding ships everywhere and the scimmie not dealing with that very well? Little maneuvering space?
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  • questeriusquesterius Member Posts: 8,463 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I have seen a few, but not many. Best guess it's simply too crowded for the likes of a scimitar.

    Seen some bulwarks as well but they tended to stay outside the clutter so draw your own conclusions.
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    You can see a de-cloaked scimi from 40k off and know exactly what it is (as opposed to most ships you can only see from at most 28-30k off, and even then you won't always know what they are until you're much closer, say 18-20k off, sometimes only 16k for the smallest ships). Makes sneaking up on targets/sneaking into Ker'rat/hiding in the clutter difficult.

    I take my KDF scimi in there every so often, but again, because I can be seen from 40k off, I am not overly fond of doing so.
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  • beclourbeclour Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    My opinion? Most (i said MOST, not all) scim pilots are aux2bat faw space bar warriors and they most likely are miffed about faw not critting right now(not that the scim even needs to crit to be near-OP) and have either gone elsewhere or swapped to escorts.

    This post sounds bitter. I'm sorry for that, just the way I feel.
  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Heretic.....

    I am so glad you posted here. Everytime you have posted whether it was to me or not, youve given me good info. I find your posts very knowledgeable. Thank you again. You do have a good point however, ive noticed my playstyle is to stay cloaked A LOT. Decloak, alpha something and recloak. i dont think being seen a lot is/was my problem. (i tested me biuld for the scimmie today.) What i found was that i didnt survive as much as i did it the valdore.(granted it IS a fleet valdore....) When i would get jumped, i could heal, cloak, heal, and not get vaped. in the scimmie getting jump MEANT getting vaped. I will try using the uni slot for an eng. BOFF and not a tac BOFF like i have now.
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    hereticknight085 wrote: »
    You can see a de-cloaked scimi from 40k off and know exactly what it is (as opposed to most ships you can only see from at most 28-30k off, and even then you won't always know what they are until you're much closer, say 18-20k off, sometimes only 16k for the smallest ships). Makes sneaking up on targets/sneaking into Ker'rat/hiding in the clutter difficult.

    I take my KDF scimi in there every so often, but again, because I can be seen from 40k off, I am not overly fond of doing so.

    The cloak is the same as any other romulan ship... sure the massive model does make it harder to line of sight stuff true. But up on Z ect its as good as any other ship... I think many shim / romulan players in general... just don't run enough aux... and also fly around with full sigularity charges making there cloaks less effective then you would expect.

    Also lately the feds have realized that when they respec its never a bad idea to throw a bunch of points in sensors. :)
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited January 2014
    I find sensors and high aux is not really going to do much to decloak a romulan that has no singularity charge.

    Was testing other stuff with a friend and indeed even followed minimax and others around at 1km spamming fireworks, you can't see them without them having a stealth debuff. Unless you're in a science ship or make a decent effort (sensor scan, nebula consoles, EptA and/or Jem deflector) then they're just whisps.

    As for the OP, the scimitar is about as graceful as hippo in a bathtub. It slips and slides all over the place and has trouble taking off it's frosted boots. It's alright with a team of them being able to cover each other but on it's own it is easily flanked and you can just sit behind it all day when it decloaks.
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  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    The cloak is the same as any other romulan ship... sure the massive model does make it harder to line of sight stuff true. But up on Z ect its as good as any other ship... I think many shim / romulan players in general... just don't run enough aux... and also fly around with full sigularity charges making there cloaks less effective then you would expect.

    Also lately the feds have realized that when they respec its never a bad idea to throw a bunch of points in sensors. :)

    THIS.

    I did find that people were able to see me after cloaking. Ive been popping aux bat and dumping sing powers left and right BUT i HAVE been surviving!. Kinda crazy when a BOP alphas me, i heal and shrug it off, cloak turn and return the alpha if they havent gone, "OH TRIBBLE, he survives and it turning at ME!"
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    chrisbrown12009 wrote: »
    THIS.

    I did find that people were able to see me after cloaking. Ive been popping aux bat and dumping sing powers left and right BUT i HAVE been surviving!. Kinda crazy when a BOP alphas me, i heal and shrug it off, cloak turn and return the alpha if they havent gone, "OH TRIBBLE, he survives and it turning at ME!"

    A bop alpha striking someone used to be something feared... Now its a joke lol
  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I have herd that BOP alphas used to be the bee's knees but now.....honestly it took 2-3 people to kill me in kerrat....where in the PVP q it would only take one.....i dont know why...

    And hell, that was in the scimmie, i survive LONGER in my Fleet Valdore....
  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    All but one bop only has 3 tac console slots... All but one don't get an extra console in there fleet version... ALL of them have laughable stats on there fleet ships compared to everything else. They are all missing one rear weapon slot. There are no 5 forward weapon versions. They are also all but one bop less one Boff skill... and ALL of them only have 4 total Boffs limiting Space traits by one.

    The advantage for all there draw backs... complete uni boff lay out... however lets be honest anything a bop can do build wise... can be done in a romualn / fed / non bop klink ship with no draw backs. It was cool when the game launched and there where no Hybrid layout ships... having a shockwave and a rapid fire 3 ect used to be unique. The targets also didn't have 60k lockbox hulls with 1.4 shield mods and enough fire power to vape a ship with 30k hull in 1 round of fire. lol

    Honestly annoying what they have done to bops... and a good part of the reason a lot of the old school klingon players will never be back.
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  • antoniosalieriantoniosalieri Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    bpharma wrote: »
    Was testing other stuff with a friend and indeed even followed minimax and others around at 1km spamming fireworks, you can't see them without them having a stealth debuff. Unless you're in a science ship or make a decent effort (sensor scan, nebula consoles, EptA and/or Jem deflector) then they're just whisps.

    My point was not all players are equal when it comes to cloak... Mini understands how to use his cloak.. he wasn't running around you 1k away with his aux set to 15.... I know from my time in kerrat though that there are plenty of noobs that do that and fly around with sing charge. As for goosing the snooper build... yes I know people that can snoop my best cloaking ship 7-8k out which is pretty impressive.
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  • tggrinctggrinc Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    .....Kerrat is a free for all. Numbers win and the big ships are easily spotted, slow moving whales that everyone wants a shot at. Imagine a bunch of hyenas salivating over a legless water buffalo.

    .....I have, on extremely rare occasions, been able to get into a 1v1 in kerrat to test a build. Otherwise it's either all allies and you run over the other team, or all enemies and there's no point in spawning.

    .....If I ever start a Rommy and get my DPS up to 15K or better, I may try PvP again, but not until then.
  • chrisbrown12009chrisbrown12009 Member Posts: 790 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    My point was not all players are equal when it comes to cloak... Mini understands how to use his cloak.. he wasn't running around you 1k away with his aux set to 15.... I know from my time in kerrat though that there are plenty of noobs that do that and fly around with sing charge. As for goosing the snooper build... yes I know people that can snoop my best cloaking ship 7-8k out which is pretty impressive.

    does popping and aux bat help against those? i would usually sing jump then cloak to escape and if still taking fire, id pop and aux battery.
  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    antoniosalieri wrote: »
    The cloak is the same as any other romulan ship... sure the massive model does make it harder to line of sight stuff true. But up on Z ect its as good as any other ship... I think many shim / romulan players in general... just don't run enough aux... and also fly around with full sigularity charges making there cloaks less effective then you would expect.

    Also lately the feds have realized that when they respec its never a bad idea to throw a bunch of points in sensors. :)

    That's not what I meant. Dreadnought class ships can be seen and ID'd from further away than standard ships. This is demonstrated over and over against NPCs. You can see all NPC dreads from much further away than their regular craft, for example: you can see a KDF Negh'var from 28-30k away, but you can see a Vo'quv from 40k, you can see a D'deridex from 28k away, but a Scimitar from 40k away, you can see a JHEC from 28k away, and a JHD (NPC mind you) from 40k away, etc etc.

    My post had nothing to do with my cloak. I usually zip around Ker'rat with no singularity charge and a good 70 or so in Aux.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
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