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opinions about the Plesh Brek Heavy Raider

ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
People have had these things long enough now, what is the overall feeling about them?

Biggest weakness I can see is the same for the Risian Corvette--the enemy can see you coming, which can be tough to manage in a frigate.

I am probably going to get one for my Fed engineer anyway, he needs the extra damage buff from flanking.
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  • o0kami87o0kami87 Member Posts: 590 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Haven't got it yet but from it's stats I won't be using it, to weak in the Hull, will still get it for the console though, will work well on my been cruiser from last year.
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    People have had these things long enough now

    People who've wasted Lobi to get one.

    I imagine most people - like me - are still 2-3 days away from it.

    I'm getting it for two of my Feds - one for my Fed Tac, which I may or may not use. Based on the stats, it's probably not going to be better than my Steamrunner, Defiant or Chimera so odds are it's going to spend a lot of time not being used.
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  • phoeniciusphoenicius Member Posts: 762 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    johngazman wrote: »
    People who've wasted Lobi to get one.

    I imagine most people - like me - are still 2-3 days away from it.

    I'm getting it for two of my Feds - one for my Fed Tac, which I may or may not use. Based on the stats, it's probably not going to be better than my Steamrunner, Defiant or Chimera so odds are it's going to spend a lot of time not being used.


    hey now, some of us kept extra Q photos from last year, and yeah its nothing special, its pretty good on a STF through.
  • cptrichardson12cptrichardson12 Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The Pleck Besh is definitely a situational-use ship. In sheer forward DPS under favorable conditions, I can't actually think of a ship that could beat it in firepower.

    Five tac consoles, plus DC's, plus the 33% damage boost from flanking gives it obscene firepower.

    Provided, of course, that your teammates are competent and can keep the enemy distracted so you can sneak around behind them and STABBITY-STABBITY-STABBITY them. To wit, it is a superb bomber/alpha strike ship. Possibly the best against fixed structures in STF's or Alerts. As a capital ship killer, it likely has no peer.

    Against lesser ships, though? Save yourself the headache and fly a BoP or an Escort. It doesn't have the sheer speed necessary to bring it's full firepower against the en passant runs you'll make against 90% of the trash mobs. It would need to get another 5-10 points of speed to boost it to an average speed of 30 in order to be fully effective without a cloak.
  • dracounguisdracounguis Member Posts: 5,358 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    johngazman wrote: »
    People who've wasted Lobi to get one.

    Nope, ran the damn race the whole time last year and had over 500 autographs leftover. I've had the breen raider for a week or two now. Used it for a couple days, it's ok but the Chel Gret is better, and then went back to my JHDC. KDF are going to be alot better with flanking since they cloak. Takes too long to get behind even NPCs when they see you coming.
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    People have had these things long enough now, what is the overall feeling about them?

    Biggest weakness I can see is the same for the Risian Corvette--the enemy can see you coming, which can be tough to manage in a frigate.

    I am probably going to get one for my Fed engineer anyway, he needs the extra damage buff from flanking.

    It is fairly fast and maneuverable but it lacks any staying power and its bonus is not that great. Its console is an ok way to run away but really the best thing to do with this ship is to remove its console and put it on the Chel'Gret which is a far superior vessel. The 2 console bonus is very nice.


    So in short... It is ok if you are desperate for a nimble escort type ship for an Engineer but otherwise it is only good for its console.
  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The Pleck Besh is definitely a situational-use ship. In sheer forward DPS under favorable conditions, I can't actually think of a ship that could beat it in firepower.

    Five tac consoles, plus DC's, plus the 33% damage boost from flanking gives it obscene firepower.

    Provided, of course, that your teammates are competent and can keep the enemy distracted so you can sneak around behind them and STABBITY-STABBITY-STABBITY them. To wit, it is a superb bomber/alpha strike ship. Possibly the best against fixed structures in STF's or Alerts. As a capital ship killer, it likely has no peer.

    Against lesser ships, though? Save yourself the headache and fly a BoP or an Escort. It doesn't have the sheer speed necessary to bring it's full firepower against the en passant runs you'll make against 90% of the trash mobs. It would need to get another 5-10 points of speed to boost it to an average speed of 30 in order to be fully effective without a cloak.


    Ummm... You have apparently never seen what a Scimitar can do if you really mean it when you say: "In sheer forward DPS under favorable conditions, I can't actually think of a ship that could beat it in firepower." because a Scimitar would make its DPS look puny by comparison. 5 Forward weapons, 3 rear, 5 tactical consoles, and massive Romulan Decloak bonus + Fighters... Yeah...

    Also things like the Bortasqu' make it weep with its massive Auto-Cannon and HoH-SuS (whch also has an Auto-Cannon) against structures and big ships that cannot escape. Likewise the Vesta with its Deflector Beam of Annihilation far exceeds it.

    So based on what you claim to be this ship's strength I would say it has none but that is not entirely true as it is not as bad at cleaning up weaker mobs as you claim.

    However, a proper Drain setup with the Chel'Gret is still superior.
  • mandoknight89mandoknight89 Member Posts: 1,687 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    hasukurobi wrote: »
    Ummm... You have apparently never seen what a Scimitar can do if you really mean it when you say: "In sheer forward DPS under favorable conditions, I can't actually think of a ship that could beat it in firepower." because a Scimitar would make its DPS look puny by comparison. 5 Forward weapons, 3 rear, 5 tactical consoles, and massive Romulan Decloak bonus + Fighters... Yeah...

    And the Decloak bonus is fairly significant with all the Subterfuge and Infiltrator available to its captains... (without even really spending the time or EC to get top-shelf Boffs, my Reman gets like 10 seconds of Ambush and 11s of Battle Cloak downtime... though with the L40 Ha'apax and thus a lack of shields while cloaked, I rarely do so)
  • dahminusdahminus Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    My master presh bleck build looks exceptional. I'll have it by Saturday.

    I would be so very disappointed if it doesn't turn out the way I want, but I really can't see that happening.

    I wonder when stoacademy.com will add the heavy raider?
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  • razar2380razar2380 Member Posts: 1,187 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I am just curious how it compares to the C-Store Defiant. (The one with the cloak.) I have that Defiant, and it does really good. I know it wouldn't even compare to the tanking abilities of the Fleet Defiant. But if anyone has both the C-Store Defiant, and the Raider, which is better?
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  • mimey2mimey2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    It'll be interesting to see what people say when a lot more of the playerbase gets access to this ship over the next week or so.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Does Mask Energy Signature work? It could be used as a replacement stealth just for alpha strikes for the Brek, right?
  • ameristamerist Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Provided, of course, that your teammates are competent and can keep the enemy distracted so you can sneak around behind them and STABBITY-STABBITY-STABBITY them. To wit, it is a superb bomber/alpha strike ship. Possibly the best against fixed structures in STF's or Alerts. As a capital ship killer, it likely has no peer.

    The whole flanking mechanic does make the Plesh Brek feel like the assassination rogue of the escort bunch -- although it does mean running around people with wide berths and letting teammates take the brunt of an engagement.

    I can see it working out extremely well with good communication and competent teammates.

    I haven't gotten mine yet, so I'm not here to give a critique of it yet.
  • sandormen123sandormen123 Member Posts: 862 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Has anyone tried the Breen set yet, to see if the Breen Energy Dissipator works in the Schreck Blech... ...I mean, Plesh Brek?
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    And the Decloak bonus is fairly significant with all the Subterfuge and Infiltrator available to its captains... (without even really spending the time or EC to get top-shelf Boffs, my Reman gets like 10 seconds of Ambush and 11s of Battle Cloak downtime... though with the L40 Ha'apax and thus a lack of shields while cloaked, I rarely do so)

    So very true. My Scimitar is a nightmarish thing because of that little truth.

    razar2380 wrote: »
    I am just curious how it compares to the C-Store Defiant. (The one with the cloak.) I have that Defiant, and it does really good. I know it wouldn't even compare to the tanking abilities of the Fleet Defiant. But if anyone has both the C-Store Defiant, and the Raider, which is better?

    The cloak for that Defiant is not always all that handy but it can be useful in PvP at least. However, as to which is better... Weeelll the Plesh Brek can deal more damage and is a bit more nimble but the Defiant can easily out tank it.

    So if you want to survive longer without having to run around like a chicken with your head cut off then the Defiant is great. If you want to fly all over fast, strafe, and dish out some hard damage then the Plesh Brek is not too bad.

    orangeitis wrote: »
    Does Mask Energy Signature work? It could be used as a replacement stealth just for alpha strikes for the Brek, right?

    It does not work nearly as well as Cloak and it does not give you the decloak damage bonus either. Also it works like normal cloak rather than battle cloak which further diminishes how useful it is.

    Has anyone tried the Breen set yet, to see if the Breen Energy Dissipator works in the Schreck Blech... ...I mean, Plesh Brek?

    It does but it is hard to support it on the Plesh Brek. On the Chel'Gret you can make a vicious drain boat but the Plesh Brek cannot take full advantage of that sort of setup.

    If you have both equipped you do get +35 to Flow Capacitors and Countermeasures though which is solid.
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