What's wrong with the race? I think it's great fun. However if you just suck at it and can't win, then i guess it could be a little frustrating trying to farm the epoh's. If that's the case, then i suggest switching to a low-population instance where no one else is racing. Then you're pretty much guaranteed to win.
someone suggested a feature similar to the Risa event. You could trade the tokens for Bird eggs if you wanted. It would be nice if we could trade the holiday trinkets for Epohh tags.
What's wrong with the race? I think it's great fun. However if you just suck at it and can't win, then i guess it could be a little frustrating trying to farm the epoh's. If that's the case, then i suggest switching to a low-population instance where no one else is racing. Then you're pretty much guaranteed to win.
cant see what the problem is, so what if you cant win the race you only need to finish to get 2 tags, and as you can only start 1 epohh a day and you only need 6 tags a day for that you only need to do 3 races max per character each day.
and as there are 4 races per hour thats not very hard to do and you have plenty to do inbetween races like snowball fights and pie eating you should have no problems.
unless you are one of there crazy players who have more characters then they can handle.
when they did the snow pile tags last year i spend hours digging the snow and hardly got any tags.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
cant see what the problem is, so what if you cant win the race you only need to finish to get 2 tags, and as you can only start 1 epohh a day and you only need 6 tags a day for that you only need to do 3 races max per character each day.
and as there are 4 races per hour thats not very hard to do and you have plenty to do inbetween races like snowball fights and pie eating you should have no problems.
unless you are one of there crazy players who have more characters then they can handle.
when they did the snow pile tags last year i spend hours digging the snow and hardly got any tags.
As a person with multiple characters, I find that comment rather troubling.
Put yourself in the shoes of a person with 4, 6, 10 characters and having to grind out 2 tags per race and having to wait for each race. Not to mention, if you win First place in a race, you are set for 2 days, while a Finisher has to grind out 3 races just for a day's worth of tags. Then repeat that for every character.
My friend, that is a ton of wasted time and I can see it making people very unhappy having their free time burned away like that. Cryptic was wrong to force people to do a PvP race and not provide an alternative.
Like you mentioned above, the Pie eating, why couldn't there be an Epohh Tag or two as a reward for doing that? Or trading in Coal or Gingerbread men for Epohh tags?
As a person with multiple characters, I find that comment rather troubling.
Put yourself in the shoes of a person with 4, 6, 10 characters and having to grind out 2 tags per race and having to wait for each race. Not to mention, if you win First place in a race, you are set for 2 days, while a Finisher has to grind out 3 races just for a day's worth of tags. Then repeat that for every character.
My friend, that is a ton of wasted time and I can see it making people very unhappy having their free time burned away like that. Cryptic was wrong to force people to do a PvP race and not provide an alternative.
Like you mentioned above, the Pie eating, why couldn't there be an Epohh Tag or two as a reward for doing that? Or trading in Coal or Gingerbread men for Epohh tags?
I find this comment rather disturbing; a person with 4, 6, 10 characters should know how to play this game.
Put yourself in the shoes of a person with 4, 6, 10 characters and having to grind out 2 tags per race and having to wait for each race. Not to mention, if you win First place in a race, you are set for 2 days, while a Finisher has to grind out 3 races just for a day's worth of tags. Then repeat that for every character.
So what you're saying is it's cryptic's fault people CHOOSE to have that many characters? And it's cryptic's fault that these people CHOOSE to do the race with all their characters? Let me guess, it's also cryptics fault that your mommy's were late bringing your pizza rolls to your basement for you too, right?
I don't care what the header says, I am not now, nor have I ever been, nor will I ever be, an "ARC user".
So what you're saying is it's cryptic's fault people CHOOSE to have that many characters? And it's cryptic's fault that these people CHOOSE to do the race with all their characters? Let me guess, it's also cryptics fault that your mommy's were late bringing your pizza rolls to your basement for you too, right?
I'm one of those people with an alt army. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I like my alts
Absolutely agree that it was entirely my decision. I knew the grind it would be when I made the decision to make each toon. And chose to participate in the winter event.
I neither blame Cryptic, nor do I QQ about it. In fact, I do pretty well in the race, rarely getting 2nd or lower (unless I make a huge mistake or two). Personally, I find grinding the solo race to be far less enjoyable :P
But, it is what it is. (And there IS an alternate way)
However, I do think it would help some people by having an alternate way to get tags.
An alternate way would be nice for the convenience. Lobi (like the Q pictures), or even trade them in for winter commodities, like markhawkman suggested. Maybe 1 or 2 for the Gingerbread colony?
All that said, it was unnecessary to end your comment with an insult, in what has been a pretty respectful thread.
It's me, Chrome. [Join Date: May 2009]
"Oh, I may be captain by rank... but I never wanted to be anything else but an engineer." ~Montgomery Scott~
True statement. This event is an added bonus. It's not the main event. The main event is the PvE race where you get a Breen ship. The pie contest, the PvP race, and the snowball fights are just little perks to make it not boring and maybe give you a few extra goodies. Nothing more.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I think you're missing the point, my friend. The race was designed as a "time gated" grind. just like every other grind in the game. This is to prevent players from harvesting epohh tags wholesale from the event. The intent is to provide players with another activity to earn a few extra "goodies" from Q, not to completely rig out 10 characters with Borg, or Spire, or whatever, rep gear.
No, the race is nothing but a sadistic way of Cryptic to get people to be hateful towards one another.
And FYI, it's not stopping the farmers AT ALL. There is a couple that I know who literally have like 30 alts, just to farm these events. So if they were doing this to stop exploiting, well they are WAY off the mark.
No, the race is nothing but a sadistic way of Cryptic to get people to be hateful towards one another.
And FYI, it's not stopping the farmers AT ALL. There is a couple that I know who literally have like 30 alts, just to farm these events. So if they were doing this to stop exploiting, well they are WAY off the mark.
Farming epohh tags by using alts is kinda pointless, as they're CBoP, and give you things that are CBoP... That's pretty much the reason why they're CBoP....
Azurian, I have one (1) character I use 99% of the time. I get enough tags on him.
Now what if say I wanted to get tags on two other of my characters also? I would make a conscious choice to grind it out on them.
What if I decided to grind 5 characters? Or all 11 that I have? It doesn't matter how many, I'm still making the choice to do so. And by doing so I'm freely acknowledging that I know running the races for tags is unnecessary and that I could just go on the game without out those tags. But I'm not going to yell at the devs because I chose to grind an unnecessary thing on 11 characters.
Azurian, I have one (1) character I use 99% of the time. I get enough tags on him.
Now what if say I wanted to get tags on two other of my characters also? I would make a conscious choice to grind it out on them.
What if I decided to grind 5 characters? Or all 11 that I have? It doesn't matter how many, I'm still making the choice to do so. And by doing so I'm freely acknowledging that I know running the races for tags is unnecessary and that I could just go on the game without out those tags. But I'm not going to yell at the devs because I chose to grind an unnecessary thing on 11 characters.
Farming epohh tags by using alts is kinda pointless, as they're CBoP, and give you things that are CBoP... That's pretty much the reason why they're CBoP....
1) Alts in your fleets and end up farming Fleet Marks.
2) Winter Epohhs couldn't be farmed for Reputation Marks and converted to Dilithium. Which you could use to donate to Fleet Projects, or converted to Zen.
IMO, not having epohh tags in snow piles is THE big let down of winter event 2013. Yes, I can race, and yes, I can win. But I do not have the will nor time to race all 11 of my toons for epohh tags, especially since I cannot race on demand. A big attraction of winter event is the ability of players to farm whatever marks they want by raising winter epohhs. Take that away, and what is left is mostly annoying npcs under the gazebo. :rolleyes:
I only have 4 toons, but they're fully fleshed, different from each other, and active (not farmers, not storage). I find it's way too much hassle to run the stupid race, especially with the glitchers and exploiters ruining it. The entire thing is badly designed and poorly implemented.
Hell, they've even broken the autograph race lately. If some idiot jumps the line and waves at the race coordinator a split second after YOU do, YOU get instantly DQed and he gets to start his race. Sometimes he isn't even held and can run instantly. Meanwhile you have to go back and re-start the mission. It happened 3x in a row to me last night. Too many folks doing it on purpose. Way to go cryptic. I'd never set foot in there EVER if it weren't for the ships. Everything else I want I could get off the exchange.
I desperately need the fleet marks for fleet projects, but it's just NOT worth the time and effort cryptic is trying to get from me. I have at best ONE toon that occasionally does it and runs the eppoh missions. Eppohs... bah! lamest game addition ever.
Hell, they've even broken the autograph race lately. If some idiot jumps the line and waves at the race coordinator a split second after YOU do, YOU get instantly DQed and he gets to start his race. Sometimes he isn't even held and can run instantly. Meanwhile you have to go back and re-start the mission. It happened 3x in a row to me last night. Too many folks doing it on purpose. Way to go cryptic. I'd never set foot in there EVER if it weren't for the ships. Everything else I want I could get off the exchange.
It's funny that they put in that line last year so players would stand in line, but it obviously didn't work. Now it's bugged so it's worse off than it originally was with Winter Event 1.
What they need to do is force people to stand in line and wait their turn. If they don't like the line, then they just have to change instances and find a shorter one.
I don't think it's because the other guy waved after you did. I think you were both spamming f waiting for the Breen to let you race. At least that's what usually happens to me.
Hell, they've even broken the autograph race lately. If some idiot jumps the line and waves at the race coordinator a split second after YOU do, YOU get instantly DQed and he gets to start his race. Sometimes he isn't even held and can run instantly. Meanwhile you have to go back and re-start the mission. It happened 3x in a row to me last night. Too many folks doing it on purpose. Way to go cryptic. I'd never set foot in there EVER if it weren't for the ships. Everything else I want I could get off the exchange.
I haven't any problems with that and I can easily avoid this issue. But I have problems with disco balls and everytime I see it I try to avoid it.
I don't think it's because the other guy waved after you did. I think you were both spamming f waiting for the Breen to let you race. At least that's what usually happens to me.
No, I am ashamed to admit I did it once or twice when they first implemented the change. Used to be you could "snag" it from the person in front of you, and if you did you'd get a headstart because you weren't held. It didn't stop you and it didn't prevent the other person from playing normally. Then they changed it, and the sucker who takes the race first is DQed and the one that does it a split second after gets off scott free.
So now EVERYBODY goes around trying to f*** over every person in front of them ON PURPOSE, as long as it doesn't happen to them.
It is quite intentional. It's gaming the glitches. Er... I mean "game"... It's gaming the game... yeah.. That's what Cryptic calls this thing these days.
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cant see what the problem is, so what if you cant win the race you only need to finish to get 2 tags, and as you can only start 1 epohh a day and you only need 6 tags a day for that you only need to do 3 races max per character each day.
and as there are 4 races per hour thats not very hard to do and you have plenty to do inbetween races like snowball fights and pie eating you should have no problems.
unless you are one of there crazy players who have more characters then they can handle.
when they did the snow pile tags last year i spend hours digging the snow and hardly got any tags.
When I think about everything we've been through together,
maybe it's not the destination that matters, maybe it's the journey,
and if that journey takes a little longer,
so we can do something we all believe in,
I can't think of any place I'd rather be or any people I'd rather be with.
As a person with multiple characters, I find that comment rather troubling.
Put yourself in the shoes of a person with 4, 6, 10 characters and having to grind out 2 tags per race and having to wait for each race. Not to mention, if you win First place in a race, you are set for 2 days, while a Finisher has to grind out 3 races just for a day's worth of tags. Then repeat that for every character.
My friend, that is a ton of wasted time and I can see it making people very unhappy having their free time burned away like that. Cryptic was wrong to force people to do a PvP race and not provide an alternative.
Like you mentioned above, the Pie eating, why couldn't there be an Epohh Tag or two as a reward for doing that? Or trading in Coal or Gingerbread men for Epohh tags?
No, you got commodities from digging through the snow piles, not epohh tags.
Do it like me and my brother. We use our lump of coal to turn into snowmen and run the race that way (even if others are racing).
No you got those too, they were rare, but if you were a good F spammer, you could easily pile up enough tags in one sitting to last a couple days.
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No, you got snowballs, sometimes winter commodities, and sometimes epohh tags, out of digging through the snowpiles.
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I find this comment rather disturbing; a person with 4, 6, 10 characters should know how to play this game.
So what you're saying is it's cryptic's fault people CHOOSE to have that many characters? And it's cryptic's fault that these people CHOOSE to do the race with all their characters? Let me guess, it's also cryptics fault that your mommy's were late bringing your pizza rolls to your basement for you too, right?
I'm one of those people with an alt army. Maybe I'm a glutton for punishment, but I like my alts
Absolutely agree that it was entirely my decision. I knew the grind it would be when I made the decision to make each toon. And chose to participate in the winter event.
I neither blame Cryptic, nor do I QQ about it. In fact, I do pretty well in the race, rarely getting 2nd or lower (unless I make a huge mistake or two). Personally, I find grinding the solo race to be far less enjoyable :P
But, it is what it is. (And there IS an alternate way)
However, I do think it would help some people by having an alternate way to get tags.
An alternate way would be nice for the convenience. Lobi (like the Q pictures), or even trade them in for winter commodities, like markhawkman suggested. Maybe 1 or 2 for the Gingerbread colony?
All that said, it was unnecessary to end your comment with an insult, in what has been a pretty respectful thread.
It's me, Chrome. [Join Date: May 2009]
"Oh, I may be captain by rank... but I never wanted to be anything else but an engineer." ~Montgomery Scott~
No, the race is nothing but a sadistic way of Cryptic to get people to be hateful towards one another.
And FYI, it's not stopping the farmers AT ALL. There is a couple that I know who literally have like 30 alts, just to farm these events. So if they were doing this to stop exploiting, well they are WAY off the mark.
My character Tsin'xing
Now what if say I wanted to get tags on two other of my characters also? I would make a conscious choice to grind it out on them.
What if I decided to grind 5 characters? Or all 11 that I have? It doesn't matter how many, I'm still making the choice to do so. And by doing so I'm freely acknowledging that I know running the races for tags is unnecessary and that I could just go on the game without out those tags. But I'm not going to yell at the devs because I chose to grind an unnecessary thing on 11 characters.
Oh yes, its all in the spirit of cooperation people cut in line in one race. Having people steal your efforts with another.
YEAH ITS FUN! RIGHT! :mad:
1) Alts in your fleets and end up farming Fleet Marks.
2) Winter Epohhs couldn't be farmed for Reputation Marks and converted to Dilithium. Which you could use to donate to Fleet Projects, or converted to Zen.
Yeah, it's unnessary grind. :rolleyes:
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Hell, they've even broken the autograph race lately. If some idiot jumps the line and waves at the race coordinator a split second after YOU do, YOU get instantly DQed and he gets to start his race. Sometimes he isn't even held and can run instantly. Meanwhile you have to go back and re-start the mission. It happened 3x in a row to me last night. Too many folks doing it on purpose. Way to go cryptic. I'd never set foot in there EVER if it weren't for the ships. Everything else I want I could get off the exchange.
I desperately need the fleet marks for fleet projects, but it's just NOT worth the time and effort cryptic is trying to get from me. I have at best ONE toon that occasionally does it and runs the eppoh missions. Eppohs... bah! lamest game addition ever.
It's funny that they put in that line last year so players would stand in line, but it obviously didn't work. Now it's bugged so it's worse off than it originally was with Winter Event 1.
What they need to do is force people to stand in line and wait their turn. If they don't like the line, then they just have to change instances and find a shorter one.
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I haven't any problems with that and I can easily avoid this issue. But I have problems with disco balls and everytime I see it I try to avoid it.
No, I am ashamed to admit I did it once or twice when they first implemented the change. Used to be you could "snag" it from the person in front of you, and if you did you'd get a headstart because you weren't held. It didn't stop you and it didn't prevent the other person from playing normally. Then they changed it, and the sucker who takes the race first is DQed and the one that does it a split second after gets off scott free.
So now EVERYBODY goes around trying to f*** over every person in front of them ON PURPOSE, as long as it doesn't happen to them.
It is quite intentional. It's gaming the glitches. Er... I mean "game"... It's gaming the game... yeah.. That's what Cryptic calls this thing these days.