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macronius
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I want to make this a separate thread from the Voth story progression. I am curious to see what the players think about bringing the Borg back as a real power ... you know the "wet the bed" scary ... TNG Season 3 - Best of Both Worlds. Here is a few questions:
1. Do you want to see them again?
2. If so what should the content be? STF like missions or Adventure Zone?
3. What about a Ker'rat revamp?
4. What kind of mechanics do you want the Borg to have? Adaptive weapons (more penetration) and adaptive shields?
5. What about Borg ground missions?
Anyways feel free to respond ... or shoot this down. But please don't troll. Thanks.
1. Do you want to see them again?
2. If so what should the content be? STF like missions or Adventure Zone?
3. What about a Ker'rat revamp?
4. What kind of mechanics do you want the Borg to have? Adaptive weapons (more penetration) and adaptive shields?
5. What about Borg ground missions?
Anyways feel free to respond ... or shoot this down. But please don't troll. Thanks.
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Seriously, that would scare the living TRIBBLE outta me.
LOL. They actually tried the EptE thing ... it didn't work out too well.
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Just play Kitomer Ground. There's at least one group that runs.
It's also been bugging me for awhile that they are basically replacing the Borg with the Iconians as STO's "ultimate villain". Call me old-fashioned, but as interested as I am in seeing what the Iconians are up to, the Borg will always be the ultimate Star Trek bad guys for me.
It would be cool if the Borg popped up, even if only briefly, to show off that, just as they adapted to the Undine, they've adapted to Iconian tech, too.
Have an Iconian ship try to pull another "Look upon us and despair." one-shot moment on another Cube...only for the Borg to just shrug it off this time. Now, cue an "Oh TRIBBLE" moment from the Iconians....
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i don't know how any of the listed questions effect the borg collective missions.
Been around since Dec 2010 on STO and bought LTS in Apr 2013 for STO.
I want the Borg to be scary, I want the sight of just a couple Borg cubes or a Tactical cube to make a player think "RED ALERT, CALL FOR REINFORCEMENTS!". Let's give them adaptive shields in space and make US adapt by changing shield frequencies. If a target is harder to kill it makes it more worth while having Sci involved to debuff and disable them while the other players recover with the help of engineers in tank cruisers throwing out heals etc.
As it stands, they're just a joke. They're much more like true Borg on ground with the adaptation etc as it should be.
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They have not really done that since the beginning of STO. That being said it would be very difficult to actually program NPCs to actually adapt. But there should be a way to make it so you have to use strategy to kill them. The complete randomness of attacks is the only thing that should could and would be able to overcome Borg attacks.
Maybe some kind of adaptive AI. You don't actually make the Borg stronger. You make them smarter. Have a random generative mission that actually responds to the player strategies. In infected instead of one tactical cube make it so it can generate two or even three in certain circumstances. Or ad some extra spheres coming from the gates while the Tac cube is taken down. Each mission should and would be random. Same objectives different Borg players. Have a random set of enemies in process. Create some new Borg vessels as well.
And to make it really interesting have a tier 5 elite STF Borg mission. Where you actually have to be tier 5 to plaqy it. And make the NPCs just like the old Street fighter 2 games. They adapt to your play. Make them fight back more like a pvp match. More randomness is the key!!!
Considering cryptic have gone into the delta quadrant now(dyson) i have a feeling we might see more of the borg as they are from there.
Besides we have the Voth and then there is everything with the Iconians and various races involved with them.
As I remember, The Borg are only in the prologue/tutorial for Elite Force 2. After that they don't make another appearance.
Voyager episode "The Omega Directive" - omega particles are perfection, the Borg holy grail. Borg are constantly crawling around sector space, they know that gateway is there and they will have detected the omega particles just like every other faction did at the end of sphere of influence.
Are we honestly to believe the Borg aren't there because because every Borg fleet that enters Tau Dewa gets its TRIBBLE kicked by the Tholians before they can get anywhere near the gateway lol. Does that mean the Tholians are on our side now? More to the point that sphere is IN the Delta Quadrant, Borg home turf, they should have known of its existence long before us, before even the Voth.
It is actually mental that we have a sphere full of omega particles - in the delta quadrant - and the Borg are nowhere to be seen.
The T5 Dyson cut scene gave me a glimmer of hope, the Voth are being attacked in their own space by an unnamed enemy, and they want to weaponize omega molecules to trap this enemy it it's own space. I hope that enemy is revealed to be the Borg. It NEEDS to be the Borg.
If Season 9 is really going to let us leave the sphere and travel into the wider Delta Quadrant, I hope to see us finding ourselves in the middle of a Borg vs Voth war. I hope to see Borg everywhere, it just wouldn't be right otherwise.
But they stopped beeing scarry in DS9 allready, the Borg invasion that happened during DS9 was mentioned once or twice and sounded more like "Oh, those guys again..."
You really should not forget that a LOT of time has passed since the first contact with the Borg, and, unlike the Borg, every others species is able to advance their technologie on their own, the borg are simply falling behind, completly outdated weapons and tech, whats scarry about that?
Every game almost had them, they are a joke now.
Voyager ruined the Borg, because they just used them so much, you're like why were we scared of these guys.
I can only hope Cryptic is up to it. Just throwing in more of the Borg we already have does not work. You need to do story driven missions with the right atmosphere.
The LoR mission on that damaged cube was a rather good start. More of that.
I don't think the borg will ever become scary and interesting again. (for me anyways) They stopped becoming scary as soon as they added a queen and turned borg behavior into a typical (incorrect)laymans view on how bees and ants behave. I preferred their original incarnation as a cybernetic force of nature.
The potential is still there.
But to be honest, I doubt Cryptic will use it and change the Borg back into their early TNG-incarnation.
personally i would like to see the borg rested and left alone for a fair while. there is so many other areas for the game to go with enemies without turning constantly to borg.
i have a feeling the krenim will some how feature in season 9. that's purely based on the official poll they had before season 8.
Krenim are cool ... But not nearly as cool as the Borg.
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That's the thing. The Borg are perfect for pressure damage, debuffs and wearing you down. Imagine a borg ship that slowly builds resistance to your weapon. Or what if the Borg hit you with a GW, graviton pulse and then torpedoed you.
I am talking about mixing it up and an improved wi.
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i agree but surely we can't turn to the borg to 'save the day' and use them for season 9 content and story because season 8 has been extremely disappointing from a story perspective.
and as another poster said we have killed the queen.... again! so they really need to be left alone for some time.
It's the third time (In Best of Both Worlds, she supposedly died, also in First Contact and of course in Into the Hive).
Maybe losing a Queen isn't that of a big deal to the borg. She just seems to be a special processing unit. It seems there are many clones/copies whatever of her just waiting to integrate her mind after one body was destroyed.
WHY isn't there ANY continuation of the MAIN story arc?
this has sooo much potential! fight at Starfleet academy, battle in earth orbit, fluidic space, organic weapons and ships, psionic shields and weapons!
As the Borg seem very possible by now to be the enemy that drove the Voth to their desperate moves in the Dyson Sphere, we can only hope that the return of the Borg as a major threat means also the return of the Undine - because the two mostly come in a double pack.
A big TRIBBLE Undine-Borg war and the continuation of the entire infiltration arc would be great.
What gives me hope is the Devs saying that there will be peace between the Feds and the Klinks in 2014.
The Klinks would never make peace if the Undine infiltration of the Federation is allowed to continue.
couldn't agree more. also they may or may not be the cause of the war and more in the game. i think more undine story could be great for the game. it could even lead to the end of the war or could add some much needed fuel to it. :eek: