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Battlezone Farmers. Trying to raise the dev's awareness
schnirsel
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It's starting to get out of hand. Most of the time when I head into the Battlezone and the v-rexes appear many people just deliver two or three shots at a rex and then head to the next one, deliver two or three shots at him and then run to the last one.. well you get the picture.
These guys then just wait at the Command center until poor sods like me kill the rex.
They are making others do the work for them, so they can get maximum reward for minimum work.
The people who actually stay and kill one rex get punished doing so by getting just one dil reward.
In fact, as these guys "were" involved in fighting several rexes they seem to get more dil for doing less work. I've tried this out. You can get about 4k dil this way, while people who fight the normal way get 1k at most.
So now for the proposal:
Deliver dilithium rewards for time spent fighting a v-rex. Make them higher the longer you were involved in fighting one. The longer you fight one, the more you should get. If you start running away before the rex is dead, you should get nothing! Yes nothing. It's disruptive behaviour that shouldn't be rewarded. Similar to afking in STF's before the penalty was introduced.
Also, the reward for capturing zones should be increased and added in the final "score" once the entire zone has been captured. So people who actually capture points get more rewards.
The way it is now a certain behaviour pattern is encouraged. Some people just switch zones until they find one that is about to spawn the v-rexes. And then they do the aforementioned strategy to get 3k-4k dilithium for doing next to nothing. Effectivly exploiting the system.
Don't get me wrong though. I don't want the dil rewards nerfed. I want a system that encourages the people to actually work for it and not exploit the system's weaknesses so they can grab what they can and make others work for them.
Tl;dr
Too many people exploiting the dilithium rewards for killing v-rexes makes things harder for honest players. Introduce a system that benefits honest players and punish those who just farm it.
These guys then just wait at the Command center until poor sods like me kill the rex.
They are making others do the work for them, so they can get maximum reward for minimum work.
The people who actually stay and kill one rex get punished doing so by getting just one dil reward.
In fact, as these guys "were" involved in fighting several rexes they seem to get more dil for doing less work. I've tried this out. You can get about 4k dil this way, while people who fight the normal way get 1k at most.
So now for the proposal:
Deliver dilithium rewards for time spent fighting a v-rex. Make them higher the longer you were involved in fighting one. The longer you fight one, the more you should get. If you start running away before the rex is dead, you should get nothing! Yes nothing. It's disruptive behaviour that shouldn't be rewarded. Similar to afking in STF's before the penalty was introduced.
Also, the reward for capturing zones should be increased and added in the final "score" once the entire zone has been captured. So people who actually capture points get more rewards.
The way it is now a certain behaviour pattern is encouraged. Some people just switch zones until they find one that is about to spawn the v-rexes. And then they do the aforementioned strategy to get 3k-4k dilithium for doing next to nothing. Effectivly exploiting the system.
Don't get me wrong though. I don't want the dil rewards nerfed. I want a system that encourages the people to actually work for it and not exploit the system's weaknesses so they can grab what they can and make others work for them.
Tl;dr
Too many people exploiting the dilithium rewards for killing v-rexes makes things harder for honest players. Introduce a system that benefits honest players and punish those who just farm it.
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But, if I had my way they'd be removed from the game entirely. Worst addition ever.
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That map needs a "teleport to V-rex" option BADLY, similar to the mid-point of "the breach" where it regroups everyone.
It was a REALLY poor design choice to not only backload the rewards, but to tie the level of reward to the number of boss fights you participate in, rather than the number of points you helped to flip.
They may not be able to track that, though.
When in doubt, Outskirts. You can practically shoot the V-Rex from the teleporter location, so if you can make it to any of the teleporters, you can usually make the boss fight.
The farming would stop if you actually got rewards based on what you actually contributed to the mission. Then again these people would say its a rigged system and unfair if they actually had to do something to get rewards
Although yeah takes 30 seconds longer to get to city than the others its not a game breaker though.
I think using "farming" or "exploiting" as a stand-in for "behavior I don't like" doesn't really help. If rewards were based on participation in flipping sites, for example, the battlezone might actually become an *even better* place to farm, in terms of the speed at which zones turn over because everyone is incented to participate.
So really we should call this proposal the "help improve battlezone farming rewards for everyone" plan.
That should really be the key to the whole thing - the current system incentivizes poor behavior, and penalizes correct behavior. Someone who dutifully stays at their post sniping medics to keep an Omega silo clear until enough assistance shows up for them to go after the V-Rex should not receive less of a reward than Zappy McFrostyboots who snapped off a few shots at each of the 3 sites while skidding around the zone like a greased targ.
Farmers always seem to find a way. I, for one, really dislike doing work for others. I say they apply an AFK Penalty to ALL zones. Including the battlezone...
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Until you lose credit because you got stomped by a V-Rex, respawned, and it died while you were running back to rejoin the fight?
You exchange one problem for another.
Getting a res from a fellow player would be great, but in my experience you have a better chance at getting a heal from the Voth than from a fellow player. Most players act like healing another player will get them fined.
Who has asked for a game nerf? Not being critical, just genuinely curious. I haven't seen that.
Still, I think trying to tweak how it counts participation in the boss encounters is looking at the wrong problem, ie, why is participation in the boss encounters and not the various capture points the metric for rewards in the first place?
Didn't you get the memo? All game changes are nerfs. We can never have nice things - it's a rule.
It's ties more to the number of capture points you get, although the V-Rex dil rewards are nice.
For killing all 3, but it doesn't have to be in the same instance.
It does? I've never seen the number of capture points I was at affect the zone complete reward level.
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My partner and I tested various combinations including whether you didn't any capture points in the zone first, etc to see how to maximize the reward. I've run hundreds times already across 14 toons and can tell you that the more participate the more you earn.
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