Klingons celebrate Festivus. The Airing of Grievances is going on right now, as you can see in any thread where the Mogh is being discussed. Feats of Strength are coming up next!
Tis only on Khristmas
we Klingons feel mirth --
the day of the warrior,
Kahless's birth.
The most fearless of fighters
we'll never forget.
For his equal among us
has never been met.
This story is known
by us all, near and far,
of the leader who swore
to return on a star.
But the one day that Klingons
all hold the most dear has been stolen by humans,
just like our Shakespeare!
I love that book and have added its reading as of this year to my family's holiday traditions.
T5 Vor'cha was added with the same patch (and the same klingon favoralbe cloak/stats) and well... that was the klingon endgame BC lineup back at that time. So after all, indeed the whole Klingon cruiser lineup was buffed that day. Everything else up to the Mogh is just following the pattern set that day.
That pattern being, according to a Dev, that KDF battle cruisers do not suffer for having innate standard cloaks.
So it seems the Neghvar was being brought up to match that standard, not buffed unnecassarily.
While our Raptors do suffer for standard cloak and Raiders for Battle cloak.
Klingons celebrate Festivus. The Airing of Grievances is going on right now, as you can see in any thread where the Mogh is being discussed. Feats of Strength are coming up next!
Do what the Devs did in 2011 for the Defiant and AGT galaxy, add an extra console slot to the Avenger.
of course that will give the Fleet version 11 console slots so it may not be possible.
In which case make the Cloaking Device and actual device only usable on the Defiants, AGT and Avenger.
All this grief over a single console slot is silly. Who knew one console slot was bringing the UFP to its knees?
Do what the Devs did in 2011 for the Defiant and AGT galaxy, add an extra console slot to the Avenger.
of course that will give the Fleet version 11 console slots so it may not be possible.
In which case make the Cloaking Device and actual device only usable on the Defiants, AGT and Avenger.
All this grief over a single console slot is silly. Who knew one console slot was bringing the UFP to its knees?
You may be onto something ... Can we use this information to end the war with the Federation? ... Truly bringing them to their knees and conquering them once and for all?
Not unless you're going to leave my Fleet Defiant's console slots as they are and give me another device slot. My Red Matter Capacitor and Subspace Field Modulator are not negotiable.
Would you be ok to have the Mogh with 8 and the Fleet Mogh with only 9 console slots to compensate?
Suddenly 1 console slot doesn't sound so silly.
No, becuase their is no need to lower the number of consoles to appease the feds when they where given extra space to use their cloaking device on two other ships, at thier request if memory serves.
Do the same to the Avenger or make the cloak a device and everybody is happy.
Thats the point the feds seem to always ignore. The Defiant and AGT both had one less console slot when introduced but innate cloaking. Yet that was not good enough becuase the use of cloak was oitwieghed by the need for more slot space. Such extra slots where added, cstore ships abilities where made into universal consoles, all so the player could remove them and enjoy the added slot space or use them and function as normal.
Where was Worf banned? Because as far as the story goes, the most dishonor he's gotten was from his son's actions, and even that hardly seems enough
The Path to 2409 lore dailies and his speech he used to give about why he was sitting outside the High Council building said he was banned from entering the High Council chambers.
We wish. Now its a added Device slot or its not feasible. :rolleyes:
Personally, I think battle cloak being enabled should be reworked as a new cruiser command exclusive to Battlecruisers.
And if Klingons need something unique, you find something NEW and unique to give them that doesn't effect ship balance. Maybe further ground trait buffs.
Was it really a good idea for Worf to name it "Mogh" when his father was considered by most Klingons to be a traitor and brought dishonor to the Mogh house? This is why Worf ended up being "adopted" by another house, so he would regain his honor.
Was it really a good idea for Worf to name it "Mogh" when his father was considered by most Klingons to be a traitor and brought dishonor to the Mogh house? This is why Worf ended up being "adopted" by another house, so he would regain his honor.
I can imagine Chancellor Martok exposing the deceased Gowron's political machinations and restoring Mogh's honor, especially since House of Duras isn't on the High Council anymore.
I could also see Worf naming it Mogh not only for his father, but to let more Klingons know his name outside of just the inner workings of the High Council and who he was. Let him have the honor after his death that was taken away.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
Klingons cloak. We as a faction get innate cloaking on most of our ships and battle cloaking on our Raiders. Its been the norm since before the game went live.
Romulans get Battle Cloaking. Its an innate feature of all Romulan vessels.
Its two perks these two factions enjoy as per their IP counter parts in the genre of Star Trek.
There has always been a negative to cloaking to counter balance that in the setting.
The game does not have that counter balance. The time shields take to come back is no where near the compensation.
Besides there needing to be a real game counter balance.
I can imagine Chancellor Martok exposing the deceased Gowron's political machinations and restoring Mogh's honor, especially since House of Duras isn't on the High Council anymore.
I always thought Gowron restored Mogh's honour in exchange for Worf and Kurn's support during the Civil War? Which would make the whole naming thing solely a sentimental choice on Worf's behalf?
Of course, I may just be remembering that wrong...
I always thought Gowron restored Mogh's honour in exchange for Worf and Kurn's support during the Civil War? Which would make the whole naming thing solely a sentimental choice on Worf's behalf?
Of course, I may just be remembering that wrong...
He did, and then took away his House's honour again when he did not join him. Worf then basically dissolved the House by erasing Kurn's memory and joining another House. Either way it's not like he can't pour more honour on his dad right? :cool:
So basically copy and paste Avenger with better stats and not having to use a console to cloak. Like the KDF really needed another BCruiser? What it really needed is a new full cruiser. Feds basically stole the BCruiser, so let the KDF steal the standard cruiser.
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I ask myself what Klingon ships need to do to serve the Strategic aims of the Empire. I can see the BoP doing all kinds of risky "science" type stuff ( small ship, configurable, small loss if science fails...unlike Fed Science Crusier, big ship, big crew, big asset goes up when science goes bad)...what I don't see is a mission that the Klingon Empire would need to do that the Federation does not...and I keep coming back to the same missions...Police actions and Planetary invasions..in short the Klingons need a Gator Freighter of some sort...use the vo'quv graphic, maybe a mirror Vo'Quv set up, give it a new module that makes boarding parties fearsome...for now I'll call it the ****ton of Jarheads? module that can affect both space and ground combat. like space boarding parties don't use shuttles but just transport and land if your shields are down, get a full 12 man squad in ground combat for security team...just a thought...i'd buy it.
Mockery and derision have their place. Usually, it's on the far side of the airlock.
So basically copy and paste Avenger with better stats and not having to use a console to cloak. Like the KDF really needed another BCruiser? What it really needed is a new full cruiser. Feds basically stole the BCruiser, so let the KDF steal the standard cruiser.
The Bortas can do most of what a heavy cruiser can.
I don't want to go further with what that post implies but it give other tactical advantages to Avenger toward Mogh
In the end for me Avenger and Mogh are balanced .
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There is a big difference between Avenger and Mogh in repair rate .
That's probably an artefact of the joke that is the crew system.
As for Klingons getting standard cruisers. Sure. Just don't forget that normal cruisers give up DHC mounting ability in return for getting worse turn rate and inertia stats. Should be well received.
I'm looking forward to purchasing this ship! Say what you will, fellow players... The fact that Cryptic/PWE is giving some much-needed love to the KDF faction IS very appreciated. Thank you!
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Tis only on Khristmas
we Klingons feel mirth --
the day of the warrior,
Kahless's birth.
The most fearless of fighters
we'll never forget.
For his equal among us
has never been met.
This story is known
by us all, near and far,
of the leader who swore
to return on a star.
But the one day that Klingons
all hold the most dear
has been stolen by humans,
just like our Shakespeare!
I love that book and have added its reading as of this year to my family's holiday traditions.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
That pattern being, according to a Dev, that KDF battle cruisers do not suffer for having innate standard cloaks.
So it seems the Neghvar was being brought up to match that standard, not buffed unnecassarily.
While our Raptors do suffer for standard cloak and Raiders for Battle cloak.
R.I.P
jatlh quvHa'ghach! Speaking of Dishonor or
Ha', 'IQtaHghach lach lut! Stories of Grief!
Doesn't look like Bing translator has a Klingon word for "feat", but they do for "Accomplishments of Strength": HoS ta'
Or "Tests of Strength"? HoS waH!
Of course, HoS waH will be with this mighty battlecrusier in-game
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Do what the Devs did in 2011 for the Defiant and AGT galaxy, add an extra console slot to the Avenger.
of course that will give the Fleet version 11 console slots so it may not be possible.
In which case make the Cloaking Device and actual device only usable on the Defiants, AGT and Avenger.
All this grief over a single console slot is silly. Who knew one console slot was bringing the UFP to its knees?
R.I.P
You may be onto something ... Can we use this information to end the war with the Federation? ... Truly bringing them to their knees and conquering them once and for all?
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
Would you be ok to have the Mogh with 8 and the Fleet Mogh with only 9 console slots to compensate?
Suddenly 1 console slot doesn't sound so silly.
No ... We've all already hit on the real answer ... Federation cloak needs to be made a device and NOT a console.
Problem solved.
U.S.S. Maelstrom, NCC-71417 (Constitution III-class/flagship) --- Fleet Admiral Hauk' --|-- Dahar Master Hauk --- I.K.S. qu'In 'an bortaS (D7-class / flagship)
No, becuase their is no need to lower the number of consoles to appease the feds when they where given extra space to use their cloaking device on two other ships, at thier request if memory serves.
Do the same to the Avenger or make the cloak a device and everybody is happy.
Thats the point the feds seem to always ignore. The Defiant and AGT both had one less console slot when introduced but innate cloaking. Yet that was not good enough becuase the use of cloak was oitwieghed by the need for more slot space. Such extra slots where added, cstore ships abilities where made into universal consoles, all so the player could remove them and enjoy the added slot space or use them and function as normal.
R.I.P
We wish. Now its a added Device slot or its not feasible. :rolleyes:
R.I.P
The Path to 2409 lore dailies and his speech he used to give about why he was sitting outside the High Council building said he was banned from entering the High Council chambers.
Personally, I think battle cloak being enabled should be reworked as a new cruiser command exclusive to Battlecruisers.
And if Klingons need something unique, you find something NEW and unique to give them that doesn't effect ship balance. Maybe further ground trait buffs.
R.I.P
Was it really a good idea for Worf to name it "Mogh" when his father was considered by most Klingons to be a traitor and brought dishonor to the Mogh house? This is why Worf ended up being "adopted" by another house, so he would regain his honor.
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Again, let me speak on behalf of all feds.
This is fine. This will even things out, make everybody happy, and stop the fed-rage about cloak imbalance.
KDF, do you guys concur?
I can imagine Chancellor Martok exposing the deceased Gowron's political machinations and restoring Mogh's honor, especially since House of Duras isn't on the High Council anymore.
There has always been a negative to cloaking to counter balance that in the setting.
The game does not have that counter balance. The time shields take to come back is no where near the compensation.
Besides there needing to be a real game counter balance.
Of course, I may just be remembering that wrong...
Who the **** are you to be speaking for anyone???
Someone without an epohh friend.
He did, and then took away his House's honour again when he did not join him. Worf then basically dissolved the House by erasing Kurn's memory and joining another House. Either way it's not like he can't pour more honour on his dad right? :cool:
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http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=14046351&postcount=366
I don't want to go further with what that post implies but it give other tactical advantages to Avenger toward Mogh
In the end for me Avenger and Mogh are balanced .
I refuse to be content https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U
That's probably an artefact of the joke that is the crew system.
As for Klingons getting standard cruisers. Sure. Just don't forget that normal cruisers give up DHC mounting ability in return for getting worse turn rate and inertia stats. Should be well received.