There was mention of the Suliban race being added to the Romulan Republic, back in May 2013. Is this still a possibility? I hope so, as I would love to have several.
I remember reading lots of players saying they wanted them added but I don't recall reading anything about actual developer statements.
Is it possible you're thinking of doffs? Suliban doffs were added a while back. If you buy or are invited onto the bridge of a suliban cell ship you can start a 5 day suliban doff recruitment assignment.
Would love to see Suliban and Yridians added as Romulan Republic races, and then have Reman, Suliban, and Yridian exchange officers at New Romulus command for DOFFs.
While I could see the Cabal Suliban become an enemy NPC (with an appropriate kill accolade), I don't see those "Super Suliban" being player characters.
Based on recent books the Cabal was falling apart by the time the Federation was being founded. Without Future Guy supplying them their power waned, their tech broke down and they ended up not that much of a threat.
by the Post DS9 era the Cabal was dead, their genetic legacy dormant. So any Suliban in the game would be little more then odd looking humans.
A Trill, a Gorn, a Jem'Hadar, Bejoran and a Voth walk into a bar, and the Bartender asks "What is this a Joke?"
"Nope, just my away team" the trill replies before ordering a round for the bar.
Right. Forgot about that. I've only had one run through of "Enterprise".
I don't blame you. It sucked compared to the previous series. Michael Okuda disgraced himself when he signed off on most of what happened in that series. It flaunted canon so regularly that many of the old guard who grew up on TOS and TNG were turn off.
It is always easier to make a sequel rather than a prequel; with a sequel you don't have to worry about contradicting what is suppose to happen next.
I wouldn't say it sucked. It was just different. The problem was, it was made so long after TOS, and as much as they tried to "primitive" it down, it still looked way more advanced then TOS, production wise. It was really a no win scenario. In order to make it look less advanced than TOS, it would've had to have looked bad. Really bad. And if it looked really bad, who'd watch it?
you totally missed what he meant. he said sucked because it was a prequel that didn't follow predetermined Canon from the other series. There's a reason it ended the way it did, so CBS could call it all holodeck fiction and save Canon.
you totally missed what he meant. he said sucked because it was a prequel that didn't follow predetermined Canon from the other series. There's a reason it ended the way it did, so CBS could call it all holodeck fiction and save Canon.
Precisely! Though TOS is hockey, it is still worth watching for the story. The biggest strength that Star Trek was able to call on was its internal consistency, which people know as canon.
Michael Okuda was the "historian" specifically tasked by Gene Rodenberry to compile and maintain. By signing off on Enterprise, he abandoned his duty and disgraced himself. It is now up to someone else to take up the mantle; one who like Gene would be willing to tell CBS to go eff itself when they wanted to contradict canon.
Enterprise hit its best moment doing the week long Mirror Universe episodes imo.
But then again look at the viewing ratings for pilot vs ep2 that said all that needed to be said. They just didnt listen
My favorite moment was when Archer got poisoned, I hate to say it but Bakula just didn't fit in the center seat, every episode I kept waiting for him to say "Oh Boy".
They could have done so much with the concept but no, they made a ship that was an obvious knock off of the Akira, they re-invented the Vulcans into a bunch of paranoid Aholes and the Temporal Cold war, whoever thought that up should have been smothered at birth.
If something is not broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, don't leave it broken.
My favorite moment was when Archer got poisoned, I hate to say it but Bakula just didn't fit in the center seat, every episode I kept waiting for him to say "Oh Boy".
They could have done so much with the concept but no, they made a ship that was an obvious knock off of the Akira, they re-invented the Vulcans into a bunch of paranoid Aholes and the Temporal Cold war, whoever thought that up should have been smothered at birth.
I agree, except for the smothering at birth part. My response would have been to laugh them out of the office. "Temporal Cold War" and holodeck novel were both cheap and blatant cop-outs that everyone could easily see through.
You've been misinformed. Enterprise IS part of the Star Trek canon. And how many times did the other shows contradict what happened in previous shows? Or in previous episodes of their own show?
Not nearly as bad as ENT. Hell, ENT was worse than TOS! As for all the bashing of TOS, TNG did a darn good job of referencing TOS, maintaining the internal consistency and cleaning up the contradictions that cropped up. And they did it with much more finesse than the writers since have ever tried.
Back to the point. "Normal" Suliban would be a great addition and a "Cabal" enemy Suliban allied with the Tal Shiar and Elatchi would be neat too. MAKE IT SO!
Um.... ENT wasn't worse in terms of internal consistency than TOS, TOS didn't even try to have internal consistency. It was written to NOT have story arcs, and didn't really pay attention to anything that happened in a previous episode.
But I digress....
Suliban were awesome. Thus we need them playable in STO. :P
My favorite moment was when Archer got poisoned, I hate to say it but Bakula just didn't fit in the center seat, every episode I kept waiting for him to say "Oh Boy".
They could have done so much with the concept but no, they made a ship that was an obvious knock off of the Akira, they re-invented the Vulcans into a bunch of paranoid Aholes and the Temporal Cold war, whoever thought that up should have been smothered at birth.
I think you are mistaken here. From what we have seen outside of Spock they fit this description elsewhere as well.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
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Is it possible you're thinking of doffs? Suliban doffs were added a while back. If you buy or are invited onto the bridge of a suliban cell ship you can start a 5 day suliban doff recruitment assignment.
UMM...why? Only those Suliban who worked for "Future Guy" had any kind of genetic enhancements.
Only those who were part of the "Cabal" had those enhancements.
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Suliban
While I could see the Cabal Suliban become an enemy NPC (with an appropriate kill accolade), I don't see those "Super Suliban" being player characters.
by the Post DS9 era the Cabal was dead, their genetic legacy dormant. So any Suliban in the game would be little more then odd looking humans.
"Nope, just my away team" the trill replies before ordering a round for the bar.
I don't blame you. It sucked compared to the previous series. Michael Okuda disgraced himself when he signed off on most of what happened in that series. It flaunted canon so regularly that many of the old guard who grew up on TOS and TNG were turn off.
It is always easier to make a sequel rather than a prequel; with a sequel you don't have to worry about contradicting what is suppose to happen next.
But then again look at the viewing ratings for pilot vs ep2 that said all that needed to be said. They just didnt listen
you totally missed what he meant. he said sucked because it was a prequel that didn't follow predetermined Canon from the other series. There's a reason it ended the way it did, so CBS could call it all holodeck fiction and save Canon.
Precisely! Though TOS is hockey, it is still worth watching for the story. The biggest strength that Star Trek was able to call on was its internal consistency, which people know as canon.
Michael Okuda was the "historian" specifically tasked by Gene Rodenberry to compile and maintain. By signing off on Enterprise, he abandoned his duty and disgraced himself. It is now up to someone else to take up the mantle; one who like Gene would be willing to tell CBS to go eff itself when they wanted to contradict canon.
Not that it was all that necessary anyways, TOS contradicted itself rather often. It got worse from there.
But anyways, the concept of the Suliban race is very cool, and I would love to be able to play as them in STO.
My character Tsin'xing
They could have done so much with the concept but no, they made a ship that was an obvious knock off of the Akira, they re-invented the Vulcans into a bunch of paranoid Aholes and the Temporal Cold war, whoever thought that up should have been smothered at birth.
I agree, except for the smothering at birth part. My response would have been to laugh them out of the office. "Temporal Cold War" and holodeck novel were both cheap and blatant cop-outs that everyone could easily see through.
Not nearly as bad as ENT. Hell, ENT was worse than TOS! As for all the bashing of TOS, TNG did a darn good job of referencing TOS, maintaining the internal consistency and cleaning up the contradictions that cropped up. And they did it with much more finesse than the writers since have ever tried.
Back to the point. "Normal" Suliban would be a great addition and a "Cabal" enemy Suliban allied with the Tal Shiar and Elatchi would be neat too. MAKE IT SO!
But I digress....
Suliban were awesome. Thus we need them playable in STO. :P
My character Tsin'xing
I think you are mistaken here. From what we have seen outside of Spock they fit this description elsewhere as well.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.