OK, I'm already resolved towards buying this, but I realized by current fleet doesn't have a Tier 4 shipyard! And if possible I'd REALLY like to get both the store and Fleet versions, since the Mogh is good enough to want on all my future KDF toons, as well.
So, question: Is there a KDF Public Service channel I can take advantage of? :P
If you can purchase it by being invited to a KDF, I will offer access to the one I am in.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I like how the Mogh battlecruiser looks, hopefully they make a Romulan version of these "Battlecruisers" and no.. the Scimitar is NOT a battlecruiser. I really hope there will be a Romulan copy paste of the Avenger/Mogh soon.
I like how the Mogh battlecruiser looks, hopefully they make a Romulan version of these "Battlecruisers" and no.. the Scimitar is NOT a battlecruiser. I really hope there will be a Romulan copy paste of the Avenger/Mogh soon.
Why would the Romulans need this? They already have a Scimitar, which is better and more OP.
Why would the Romulans need this? They already have a Scimitar, which is better and more OP.
Better is subjective and it is not a battlecruiser. We need it because I and others need it, because we want to fly an Avenger/Mogh on the Romulan side.
You knew that though, you really didn't need to ask.
Some one in the zone chat say that the FED have about 60 to 70 playable starships and the KDF about 30, is this true ? (i did not know the different was so big)
When was the last time the KDF got a new ship ?
Counting all the refit variants, mirror variants, and non-Fleet shipyard-available ships, the KDF has a total of 68 playable ships. This includes things like the non-Fleet Hoh'sus, the T1-T4 Birds of Prey and their refit variants, and the three Bortas'qu variants.
The Federation, under the same rules, has 90 playable ships. A difference of 22 ships, including variants.
If we include the 3-pack variants as one ship (as most folks tend to do), the KDF has 66 ships and the Federation has 84.
For anyone interested, the Romulans have 37 ships under the initial rules.
The Federation numbers mostly kick in with their science ship line, which is very strong. 19 Tier 5 (ranging from free to Fleet, and not including the Caitian Atrox Carrier or its Fleet variant) science ships (which is including the three Vesta variants, and the Mirror variants) to the KDF's 3. That's right, the KDF has 3 full-fledged science ships, which means they have the aux bonus, sensor analysis, high shield mods, AND a commander science bridge officer station.
However, the Federation also has a sizeable selection of escorts. 22 Tier 5 escorts to the KDF's 11 Tier 5 raptors and destroyers.
Oh, and the Federation has 22 Tier 5 cruisers/battlecruisers and the KDF has 15. Though one could argue the KDF Flight-Deck Cruisers should really be considered part of the cruiser arm. . .if that's the case, then it's 20 instead of 15.
The Federation enjoys considerable Tier 5 ship 'bloat', as you'll see from the link I provide below. Only 25 of their 90 ships are Tier 1 to Tier 4. For the KDF, it's 25 out of 68.
Klingon Battlecruisers and BoPs are already pointy-end-towards-enemy: We don't NEED a larger arc. All that would accomplish is allowing the torpedo to be prematurely fired into undamaged shields. Absolutely useless.
And what of carriers and Bortas pilots? They're often times broadsiders and could use an option of Torp that can fire at angle that hit what they're firing on (besides the Lobi Missles).
It's pretty hilarious that there are people In this thread and moreso in the dev blog that are crying that this new kdf ship comes with an innate cloak - I mean who would have guessed that a kdf ship would come with one built in - it's not like there are any other kdf ships with an innate built in cloak!! Oh wait:eek:
It's pretty hilarious that there are people I'm this thread and moreso in the dev blog that are crying that this new kdf ship comes with an innate cloak - I mean who would have guess that a kdf ship would come with one built in - it's not like there are any other kdf ships with an innate built in cloak!! Oh wait:eek:
And another one fails to see the point of the argument. Its not that the ship comes with it innate its that it has exactly the same stats as the avenger BUT with more crew and innate cloak. If it had a stat penalty for the cloak there wouldn't be complaints. Although there are other solutions.
And another one fails to see the point of the argument. Its not that the ship comes with it innate its that it has exactly the same stats as the avenger BUT with more crew and innate cloak. If it had a stat penalty for the cloak there wouldn't be complaints. Although there are other solutions.
I do see the point - the real issue is that this ship was originally made up for the kdf - it had been on the drawing board for some time until someone at a meeting said 'why don't we sell this as a Fed ship first and make a boat load of money - then after we can re-use it for the kdf and we won't have to worry about feds because they already bought it and we don't have to worry about kdf because they are desperate for ships so they will buy it to'
This ship should have always just been a kdf ship - the Fed side got lucky and got this class added. I have the Avenger and defiant and have never used the cloak on either. It's really a big deal of nothing - a one shot alpha strike gimmick. Now if it was a battlecloak - as all cloaks should be if we follow Canon - then I would see more to whine about.
Bottom line is this will be forgot like so many other threads where people asked for Fed cloaks - I think I made a comment awhile back that we could just end all the fuss by giving every ship in the game a battlecloak!! Of course that might not go over well:rolleyes:
I do see the point - the real issue is that this ship was originally made up for the kdf - it had been on the drawing board for some time until someone at a meeting said 'why don't we sell this as a Fed ship first and make a boat load of money - then after we can re-use it for the kdf and we won't have to worry about feds because they already bought it and we don't have to worry about kdf because they are desperate for ships so they will buy it to'
This ship should have always just been a kdf ship - the Fed side got lucky and got this class added. I have the Avenger and defiant and have never used the cloak on either. It's really a big deal of nothing - a one shot alpha strike gimmick. Now if it was a battlecloak - as all cloaks should be if we follow Canon - then I would see more to whine about.
Bottom line is this will be forgot like so many other threads where people asked for Fed cloaks - I think I made a comment awhile back that we could just end all the fuss by giving every ship in the game a battlecloak!! Of course that might not go over well:rolleyes:
Actually no they came up with the mogh after the avenger there's a separate KDF ship that they've been working on that got pushed back even farther like into next year.
Actually no they came up with the mogh after the avenger there's a separate KDF ship that they've been working on that got pushed back even farther like into next year.
Only a few people really know what was planned first - or if the Avenger was even considered as a 5 fore gun battlecruiser before a kdf one. I doubt highly at this point we will ever know truely which ship was the original.
The cloak issue is a mute point and a wasted argument as there is no way they will change the Avenger to have an innate cloak or change it to a 'device' - both things would just end up causing more outrage. Personally I don't have a problem with Fed ships having innate cloaking abilities - with the addition of the romulans the game balance has been so far broken its not something they could repair. Bottom line is that cryptic is not going to do it. The argument has been going on since the beginning. The mistake that was made was letting the Avenger use a cloak at all. They should have just left that can of worms closed.
Actually no they came up with the mogh after the avenger there's a separate KDF ship that they've been working on that got pushed back even farther like into next year.
Captain Geko's recent interview on Trek Radio indicates that the Mogh (and possibly the Avenger) evolved out of the "Regent-ized Negh'var" that they've been toying with for a while, though they decided to make it a smaller unrelated ship rather than a larger, sleeker variant like the Regent was.
I always figured Klingon technology would be a lot like Soviet technology: Efficient, robust, and inexpensive. This is why Klingon ships have a much longer service life compared to their Federation counterparts, just like the AK. This should be no surprise, the Klingons were originally the Soviet Union in Space!
A very good example for the way Klignons do things can be found in the DS9TM: there's a section on the various PADDs the different races use.
The one used by the Klingons is the slowst with the lowest screen resolution.
But it's also the only one encased in an armored shell and robust enough to be used in a battlezone...unlike those of everyone else.
So the Klingon approach is that it must work under all circumstances and only after that is achieved are other features taken into consideration.
the empire also uses the old klingon motto "if it ain't broke don't fix it" not to be confused with the one we use for the enemy "if it ain't broke hit it harder"
the empire also uses the old klingon motto "if it ain't broke don't fix it" not to be confused with the one we use for the enemy "if it ain't broke hit it harder"
True. Proved by the fact that you can still see some K'Tinga and some B'rel still poking around even in more powerful fleet groups, like in the Dyson sphere.
I like how the Mogh battlecruiser looks, hopefully they make a Romulan version of these "Battlecruisers" and no.. the Scimitar is NOT a battlecruiser. I really hope there will be a Romulan copy paste of the Avenger/Mogh soon.
What is a Scimitar, if not a battlecruiser? 40k hull, .15 impulse mod, 1.1 shield mod, 5-3 weapons layout, 20 inertia, 7 turnrate. . .it's a battlecruiser with a Romulan battlecloak, a bag of tricks, and that -40 power thingie.
My card stands ready, to purchase with honor! Lol on a serious note, about gosh dang time. My tac bortasq is great but battlecruisers are more my style.
I think I'll stay in my tactical Bortasqu. I don't really feel like perma-docking my $50 investment because a $25 replacement ship came out. Let me know when the Gorn science battleship arrives, or a Raptor with 5 cannons up front + 5 tac consoles.
Okay, enough with cruisers already. Seriously.
The dress is gold and white. Over 70% people says so. When viewed from a certain screen angle it appears blue and black. The dress displayed on amazon is a blue and black dress, but it's not the same dress in the picture. If you're seeing blue & black you're slightly colored blind. A normal upright screen = white and gold.
What is a Scimitar, if not a battlecruiser? 40k hull, .15 impulse mod, 1.1 shield mod, 5-3 weapons layout, 20 inertia, 7 turnrate. . .it's a battlecruiser with a Romulan battlecloak, a bag of tricks, and that -40 power thingie.
Read it's description. It's not an Avenger, or a Mogh. Regardless of your opinions on it, it is neither of those two ships. Regardless if you think it's better or not, it is not to me.
Any KDF that plays both fed cruisers (on alt toons) and kdf battlecruisers knows this. They are a totally different playstyle.
I just wish my freakin' Fleet K'Tinga Retro didn't have LESS HULL than many escorts. WTF is with that? Massive nerf derp on Cryptic's part.
Most escorts? I fly a Fleet K't'inga too and I've got to ask...which most escorts are you talking about?
Because (not counting Lockboxes) I can find precisely TWO Fleet-level escortish ships with more hull on the Fed side: The Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and the Fleet Chimera.
Also you do realize the K't'inga does have better shields than those escorts right?
And even if I assume you're talking Fleet Raptors: those suffer in terms of shields for their bit more hull compared to their Fed countertparts.
I "must" buy the new battlecruiser to demonstrate to Cryptic that the KDF is a good investment? Then they shouldn't release identical ships on multiple factions at full price. They offered Avenger first and now I own Avenger. It would be stupid to spend 2500 zen on a skin pack for it.
I just wish my freakin' Fleet K'Tinga Retro didn't have LESS HULL than many escorts. WTF is with that? Massive nerf derp on Cryptic's part.
I think the K'tinga is getting on pretty well for a such an ancient ship. Slap the D7 skin on there and suddenly you're flying a battlecruiser that dates back more than 150 years!
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If you can purchase it by being invited to a KDF, I will offer access to the one I am in.
R.I.P
Better is subjective and it is not a battlecruiser. We need it because I and others need it, because we want to fly an Avenger/Mogh on the Romulan side.
You knew that though, you really didn't need to ask.
Counting all the refit variants, mirror variants, and non-Fleet shipyard-available ships, the KDF has a total of 68 playable ships. This includes things like the non-Fleet Hoh'sus, the T1-T4 Birds of Prey and their refit variants, and the three Bortas'qu variants.
The Federation, under the same rules, has 90 playable ships. A difference of 22 ships, including variants.
If we include the 3-pack variants as one ship (as most folks tend to do), the KDF has 66 ships and the Federation has 84.
For anyone interested, the Romulans have 37 ships under the initial rules.
The Federation numbers mostly kick in with their science ship line, which is very strong. 19 Tier 5 (ranging from free to Fleet, and not including the Caitian Atrox Carrier or its Fleet variant) science ships (which is including the three Vesta variants, and the Mirror variants) to the KDF's 3. That's right, the KDF has 3 full-fledged science ships, which means they have the aux bonus, sensor analysis, high shield mods, AND a commander science bridge officer station.
However, the Federation also has a sizeable selection of escorts. 22 Tier 5 escorts to the KDF's 11 Tier 5 raptors and destroyers.
Oh, and the Federation has 22 Tier 5 cruisers/battlecruisers and the KDF has 15. Though one could argue the KDF Flight-Deck Cruisers should really be considered part of the cruiser arm. . .if that's the case, then it's 20 instead of 15.
The Federation enjoys considerable Tier 5 ship 'bloat', as you'll see from the link I provide below. Only 25 of their 90 ships are Tier 1 to Tier 4. For the KDF, it's 25 out of 68.
Here's the list I used: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Category:Starfleet_Starships. It's usually pretty accurate in both the stats provided and the ships listed.
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And what of carriers and Bortas pilots? They're often times broadsiders and could use an option of Torp that can fire at angle that hit what they're firing on (besides the Lobi Missles).
And another one fails to see the point of the argument. Its not that the ship comes with it innate its that it has exactly the same stats as the avenger BUT with more crew and innate cloak. If it had a stat penalty for the cloak there wouldn't be complaints. Although there are other solutions.
I do see the point - the real issue is that this ship was originally made up for the kdf - it had been on the drawing board for some time until someone at a meeting said 'why don't we sell this as a Fed ship first and make a boat load of money - then after we can re-use it for the kdf and we won't have to worry about feds because they already bought it and we don't have to worry about kdf because they are desperate for ships so they will buy it to'
This ship should have always just been a kdf ship - the Fed side got lucky and got this class added. I have the Avenger and defiant and have never used the cloak on either. It's really a big deal of nothing - a one shot alpha strike gimmick. Now if it was a battlecloak - as all cloaks should be if we follow Canon - then I would see more to whine about.
Bottom line is this will be forgot like so many other threads where people asked for Fed cloaks - I think I made a comment awhile back that we could just end all the fuss by giving every ship in the game a battlecloak!! Of course that might not go over well:rolleyes:
Actually no they came up with the mogh after the avenger there's a separate KDF ship that they've been working on that got pushed back even farther like into next year.
Only a few people really know what was planned first - or if the Avenger was even considered as a 5 fore gun battlecruiser before a kdf one. I doubt highly at this point we will ever know truely which ship was the original.
The cloak issue is a mute point and a wasted argument as there is no way they will change the Avenger to have an innate cloak or change it to a 'device' - both things would just end up causing more outrage. Personally I don't have a problem with Fed ships having innate cloaking abilities - with the addition of the romulans the game balance has been so far broken its not something they could repair. Bottom line is that cryptic is not going to do it. The argument has been going on since the beginning. The mistake that was made was letting the Avenger use a cloak at all. They should have just left that can of worms closed.
Captain Geko's recent interview on Trek Radio indicates that the Mogh (and possibly the Avenger) evolved out of the "Regent-ized Negh'var" that they've been toying with for a while, though they decided to make it a smaller unrelated ship rather than a larger, sleeker variant like the Regent was.
A very good example for the way Klignons do things can be found in the DS9TM: there's a section on the various PADDs the different races use.
The one used by the Klingons is the slowst with the lowest screen resolution.
But it's also the only one encased in an armored shell and robust enough to be used in a battlezone...unlike those of everyone else.
So the Klingon approach is that it must work under all circumstances and only after that is achieved are other features taken into consideration.
Nice, thanks!
True. Proved by the fact that you can still see some K'Tinga and some B'rel still poking around even in more powerful fleet groups, like in the Dyson sphere.
What is a Scimitar, if not a battlecruiser? 40k hull, .15 impulse mod, 1.1 shield mod, 5-3 weapons layout, 20 inertia, 7 turnrate. . .it's a battlecruiser with a Romulan battlecloak, a bag of tricks, and that -40 power thingie.
Your welcome. Just look up @Roach ingame. I will be online in the afternoons at 4pmish cst usa time.
R.I.P
I think I'll fly the standard mogh first before getting a fleet - but at least now I have a great 'free' endgame ship for my drones to fly
..anybody know if you can kitbash with the vorcha yet?
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Okay, enough with cruisers already. Seriously.
Any KDF that plays both fed cruisers (on alt toons) and kdf battlecruisers knows this. They are a totally different playstyle.
I just wish my freakin' Fleet K'Tinga Retro didn't have LESS HULL than many escorts. WTF is with that? Massive nerf derp on Cryptic's part.
Read it's description. It's not an Avenger, or a Mogh. Regardless of your opinions on it, it is neither of those two ships. Regardless if you think it's better or not, it is not to me.
Most escorts? I fly a Fleet K't'inga too and I've got to ask...which most escorts are you talking about?
Because (not counting Lockboxes) I can find precisely TWO Fleet-level escortish ships with more hull on the Fed side: The Fleet Heavy Escort Carrier and the Fleet Chimera.
Also you do realize the K't'inga does have better shields than those escorts right?
And even if I assume you're talking Fleet Raptors: those suffer in terms of shields for their bit more hull compared to their Fed countertparts.
I "must" buy the new battlecruiser to demonstrate to Cryptic that the KDF is a good investment? Then they shouldn't release identical ships on multiple factions at full price. They offered Avenger first and now I own Avenger. It would be stupid to spend 2500 zen on a skin pack for it.
I think the K'tinga is getting on pretty well for a such an ancient ship. Slap the D7 skin on there and suddenly you're flying a battlecruiser that dates back more than 150 years!