Best Plesh Brek dps build

dahminus · December 2013

http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=puredpsraider_0
3 maintenance battery doffs, 1 quatermaster doff, 1 marion, 1 borg warefare doff

Edit: my build evolved...pure dps right there...so much fun

P.s. I'm looking for a very rare quatermaster batter cd reduction doff anyone has one

reginamala78 · December 2013

Cmdr Tac
TT1, CSV1, BO3, APO3

LtCmdr Eng
EPTE1, A2B1, DEM2

Lt Eng
EPTS1, RSP1

Lt Sci
HE1, TSS2

Ens Sci
Tractor Beam 1

Doffs
3 Technicians, 1 TT Conn Officer, 1 Shield-Penetrating-BO Energy Weapons

newromulan1 · December 2013

4 of my kdf toons exclusively fly the b'rel and am used to the low shield mod and hull - I expect in a few weeks a LOT of crying here on the forums from most of the games pop that has never used a raider/bop - even though it has 30% more hull then the b'rel.

Should be fun times in some events watching people go pop pop pop - as they are used to more tankier ships.

dahminus · December 2013

newromulan1 wrote: »

4 of my kdf toons exclusively fly the b'rel and am used to the low shield mod and hull - I expect in a few weeks a LOT of crying here on the forums from most of the games pop that has never used a raider/bop - even though it has 30% more hull then the b'rel.

Should be fun times in some events watching people go pop pop pop - as they are used to more tankier ships.

That's my prediction as well...still, I'll be recommending this ship for all further nws ventures

adamkafei · December 2013

Why? Why would you build a raider as a dps ship? You should be building it as an alpha striker!

*Leaves and consults Thissler about proper raider build and piloting practices*

dahminus · December 2013

adamkafei wrote: »

Why? Why would you build a raider as a dps ship? You should be building it as an alpha striker!

*Leaves and consults Thissler about proper raider build and piloting practices*

No cloak bro. Dps hard, not dpsing fast well be this popcorn's trademark

reginamala78 · December 2013

adamkafei wrote: »

Why? Why would you build a raider as a dps ship? You should be building it as an alpha striker!

*Leaves and consults Thissler about proper raider build and piloting practices*

Overload, APO, DEM, EPTE, RSP.....other than swapping the CSV for THY, what else would there be?

marc8219 · December 2013

You have to survive to do dps. A ship with less then 30k hull, no epts, no omega, and no tac team won't do much surviving. Its more of a hit and run ship, but if you really must use it for dps instead of burst damage just transfer a scimitar a2b build over to it.

deathsremnant · December 2013

DHC front/Omni+Turret rear (full antiproton build) + Obelisk core for +10% ap dmg

Com tact- Tact team,Volley 1, Omega 1, Rapid 3
Lt com sci- EPtS, Haz, Grav well i
Lt Engi - shield heal, reverse shield polarity 1
Lt engi- EptW, Direct energy mod 1
Ensign tact - Tact team

Romulan Tact captain, full superior Boffs for +crit chance+severity, 70% Crit Severity weapons

Alpha strike energy build

miirik · December 2013

What is this alpha striking nonsense?

omegaphallic · December 2013

An Alpha strike means you make a massive attack in the first seconds of combat in the hopes that this burst of damage will destroy that enemy before they can retailate or heal back up. Throwing every thing you have at the enemy in a burst means that you have little to fall back on if it fails, but failure ideally is rare.

majortiraomega · December 2013

If you aren't building your Plesh Brek for spike damage you are building it incorrectly. The ship is not a cruiser nor an escort. You are also down to 6 weapon slots, which means Dual Heavy Cannons, a Dual Beam Bank, and Quantum Torpedoes. For aft, toss in the Kinetic Cutting Beam and your choice of mines/torpedoes.

robdmc · December 2013

May need to add mask energy signature as a poor mans cloak on it.

dahminus · December 2013

majortiraomega wrote: »

If you aren't building your Plesh Brek for spike damage you are building it incorrectly. The ship is not a cruiser nor an escort. You are also down to 6 weapon slots, which means Dual Heavy Cannons, a Dual Beam Bank, and Quantum Torpedoes. For aft, toss in the Kinetic Cutting Beam and your choice of mines/torpedoes.

The incorrect build is the one that you don't enjoy. My build will nuke whole groups causing warp core destruction. I look forward to the epicness.

majortiraomega · December 2013

dahminus wrote: »

The incorrect build is the one that you don't enjoy. My build will nuke whole groups causing warp core destruction. I look forward to the epicness.

Well, you are welcome to 1v1 me in your beam Plesh Brek once it is complete. That will show you why raiders are not meant to be suppression damage ships. Imagine if the Fleet B'Rel fought a Scimitar in a Beam Fire at Will fight. The B'Rel would be lucky if it gets the Scimitar's shields down before dying with a beam build.

mamif3 · December 2013

majortiraomega wrote: »

Well, you are welcome to 1v1 me in your beam Plesh Brek once it is complete. That will show you why raiders are not meant to be suppression damage ships. Imagine if the Fleet B'Rel fought a Scimitar in a Beam Fire at Will fight. The B'Rel would be lucky if it gets the Scimitar's shields down before dying with a beam build.

Not every build in this game is about killing other players in less than five seconds.

dahminus · December 2013

majortiraomega wrote: »

Well, you are welcome to 1v1 me in your beam Plesh Brek once it is complete. That will show you why raiders are not meant to be suppression damage ships. Imagine if the Fleet B'Rel fought a Scimitar in a Beam Fire at Will fight. The B'Rel would be lucky if it gets the Scimitar's shields down before dying with a beam build.

Your on, 1v1 pve content...

I know there isn't a build that will do more dps.

I'd say good luck, but I know you will lose anyway

majortiraomega · December 2013

mamif3 wrote: »

Not every build in this game is about killing other players in less than five seconds.

Not every ship ingame is capable of running a pressure build. You can't treat a raider like a cruiser, most cruisers have double the hull rating and 20% more shielding than a raider. Not to mention two more weapon slots. The Plesh Brek is not a tank, nobody will ever make it a tank outside of a speed tank. In order to speed tank, the ship will need to use hit and run tactics. Which means Beam Overload and High Yield/Spread. Fire at Will is an aggro magnet and will not work well on a ship designed to get in, strike, and get out.

majortiraomega · December 2013

dahminus wrote: »

Your on, 1v1 pve content...

I know there isn't a build that will do more dps.

I'd say good luck, but I know you will lose anyway

A 1v1 is when two players shoot at each other's ships, not at NPCs. A PvP match is the only way to determine a ship's true effectiveness in combat. The raider playstyle has never been about how much damage/second a player can deal. It has always been about how much spike damage a player can deal instantly. Anyone can slot several copies of Beam Fire at Will in PvE and call it "dealing good DPS", but DPS doesn't mean effective damage. A spike damage build is going to kill a target much faster than a pressure damage build. However, the pressure damage build will have higher damage/second. Why? Longer downtime between shots. The fact is, the only thing a damage parser measures is your average damage over the course of the entire match. In between spike shots, the ship is dealing 0 damage because the target is dead. A team needs at least 2 Fire at Will boats before their collective damage actually starts to mean something overall. You only need one raider with a spike build to deal massive damage.

nx15 · December 2013

I take it you've never seen crazy damage Beam-scorts?

What about those bugs that use only beams?

Beams can be highly effective in PvP, even more so than DHC's if you build it properly...

For PvE? Who cares? Just copy and paste any other build that already works

zguillotine · December 2013

So, I see these builds all the time, use these weapons and these Boff powers, but I rarely see the complete build with DOFFs and Power Settings. I can figure out my skills, but I get TRIBBLE from my Hazard Emitters skill, so I am thinking maybe I need more power in Aux to boost it. DOFFs, I recently learned after returning to the game from a long break from computers, are very important as well.

I also get the DHC change that made them viable on a ship, but if I want DPS I go with broadside capable mounts, Cannons are awesome, BAs are awesome even through they don't do as much DPS as a frontal assault, they are capable of firing more often. My assumption is that DHC is burst damage, Cannon and BAs are DPS or pressure builds.

But power settings affect cannon and beam weapons and many BOFF powers making those settings very important. For instance, on my Escorts/Raiders, I try and max at 105 points in weapons and use EPTW or weapon batteries to balance it out to 125 when I need some burst. Then I get around 75 ending power in shields, most of the rest in engines and drop usually the minimum 15 starting power in Aux. Looking at the ending results, I usually achieve around 105/76/45/30 depending on the consoles I have.

dahminus · December 2013

I have a cannon build in the works that I am doing to test. It is ungodly expensive...doffs alone will range in the 100mil.

But man...the paper math shows that this build is going to make this ship overkill...

Its radically different then typical the aux2bat and double up builds.

I'll post the build after i buy my doffs
..dont want to see a skyrocket

vkfphoenixlord · December 2013

Please share your build with gear and doffs. I am interested in seeing how it looks.

robeasom · December 2013

Just got the new Breen Raider and would like some help with the build
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=jokag1_0
I know the link is for the chell grett but the raider isnt there yet

here are my boffs and consoles.

Tactical Consoles
Universal Breen Energy Dissipator
Tetryon Pulse Generator mk XI (Rare)
Tetryon Pulse Generator mk XI (Uncommon)
Tetryon Pulse Generator mk XI (Rare)
Tetryon Pulse Generator mk XI (Rare)

Science
Universal Sensor Disruption Field
Emitter Array Mk XI (uncommon)
Shield Emitter Amplifier mk XI (rare)

Engineering
Enhanced Monotanium Alloy Mk XII [+HullHP] (Ultra Rare)
Electroceramic Hull Plating Mk XI (rare)

Boff Skills:

Commander Tactical
Beam Array: Fire at Will I
Cannon: Rapid Fire I
Dispersal Pattern Beta II
Attack Pattern Omega II

Ensign Universal
Tachyon Beam I

Lieutenant Universal Station
Emergency Power to Shields I
Reverse Shield Polarity I

Lieutenant Universal Station
Tactical Team I
Attack Pattern Delta I

Lt. Commander Universal Station
Hazard Emitters I
Jam Targeting Sensors II
Gravity Well I

Need advice on how to improve it thanks

Thanks in advance

dahminus · December 2013

What are you trying to do with it?

robeasom · December 2013

dahminus wrote: »

What are you trying to do with it?

I'd like to make it a heavy hitter so it can work in PVP as well as PVE.
so need to improve my buid

redsnake721 · December 2013

Here is what I did and it hits really hard:

Polaron weapons: FRONT: DBB CRTDx3, DHC CRTDx3, DCH CRTDx3, DCH CRTDx3
rear, Turret ACC3, KCB

Borg XII ENG, Borg Deflector, Elite Fleet Res shields ResA

now also another option that works really well is the Romulan Eng that give boost to attack patterns. APB3 is already stupid strong and with the Doff that grans a cooldown it give a very large added damage boost. when I run the Romulan Eng I use the Omege Deflector and the Fleet shields

Boff stations:
CMDR TAC: TT1,BO2,CRF2,APB3 (Romulan Embassy Tac + crth)
ENG LTCMDR: ET,A2B,DEM
LT ENG: EPTS,A2B
LT SCI: HE, TSS
ENS TAC: TT1 (Romulan Embassy Boff + Crth) sometimes I use EPTE or EPTW here.

consoles:
TAC: 5 spire +31.6 damage + CRTH polaron
ENG: Leech, Fleet Neutronium + PWR Transfer
SCI: Borg, Zero point, Tachokenitic converter

Doffs: AP cooldown doff, 3 Techs, Marion (DEM)

I use an Aux2batt setup to keep tac and heal abilities on short cooldown and with all the bonus to crit chance I have I went with all high crit severity weapons.

I can stack 7k, 9, 10k crits over and over. I can run up behind a cruiser and hit all my buffs and they pop in about 1.5 seconds.

gerwalk0769 · January 2014

majortiraomega wrote: »

If you aren't building your Plesh Brek for spike damage you are building it incorrectly. The ship is not a cruiser nor an escort. You are also down to 6 weapon slots, which means Dual Heavy Cannons, a Dual Beam Bank, and Quantum Torpedoes. For aft, toss in the Kinetic Cutting Beam and your choice of mines/torpedoes.

Questions please. Why do you have a torpedo, not turret, in the aft? How do you pilot the Raider in PvE matches?

I'm finding that getting to a target's flanking position can take some time, and if I am not firing then I am losing opportunities to damage. Sitting or backing up while firing at a target has worked for me but I lose defense from speed. I have not tried flying at a target, braking and then spinning to keep the target in my sights as I inertia-slide past it.

I was thinking that perhaps I should remain flying at all times, since the ship is fragile, and equip it with beams. I would appreciate your and others comments.

Thank you for the time, attention, and for sharing.

dontdrunkimshoot · January 2014

with 6 weapons, it cant suppress anyone, but with 4 fore weapons it can spike. cloak or not, thats all you can really do with it

majortiraomega · January 2014

gerwalk0769 wrote: »

Questions please. Why do you have a torpedo, not turret, in the aft? How do you pilot the Raider?

I'm finding that getting to a target's flanking position can take some time, and if I am not firing then I am losing opportunities to damage. Sitting or backing up while firing at a target has worked for me but I lose defense from speed. I have not tried flying at a target, braking and then spinning to keep the target in my sights as I inertia-slide past it.

I was thinking that perhaps I should remain flying at all times, since the ship is fragile, and equip it with beams. I would appreciate your and others comments.

Thank you for sharing.

Turrets are what ships use when they have aft slots open, but they don't have anything better to use. The damage dropoff for turrets is pathetic and they aren't much use outside of Cannon Rapid Fire/Scatter Volley. Not to mention in PvP they are just another source of healing procs on consoles/set gear or the +Resistance proc on Elite Fleet shields.

Raiders are all about hit and run spike damage. Slot the Omega Force Deflector, Engine, and Shield on the Raider. The Omega Shield is Regenerative, which means it won't take much damage, but it restores health very quickly. The two piece bonus grants a shield stripping proc with weapons and the three piece grants an ability that disables a target's ability to turn (perfect for raiders and flanking).

The key to raider success is a Dual Beam Bank + Beam Overload II or III coupled with a fast moving high damage Torpedo attack (typically Quantum Torpedo + High Yield I or III). In PvE, it's possible to run something like this:

Bridge officer layout:
Commander Tactical: Tactical Team I, Attack Pattern Delta I, Beam Overload III, Attack Pattern Omega III
Lt. Commander Tactical: Torpedo High Yield I, Beam Overload II, Torpedo High Yield III
Lt. Science: Hazard Emitters I, Transfer Shield Strength II
Lt. Engineering: Emergency Power to Shields I, Auxiliary to Inertial Dampers I
Ensign Engineering: Emergency Power to Engines I
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Duty officer layout:
2x Conn Officer - Tactical Team cooldown reduction and +10 to Attack Patterns
1x Matter-Antimatter Specialist - Resistance with Auxiliary to Inertial Dampers and ability duration extension.
2x Projectile Weapon Officer - 20% chance to reduce torpedo cooldown by 5 seconds.
1x Damage Control Engineer - Chance to reduce the cooldown of all emergency power abilities whenever an emergency power ability is used.
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Weapons loadout:
Fore:
2x Fleet Advanced Tetryon Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]x2
1x Hyper-Refracting Dual Tetryon Beam Bank Mk XII
1x Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Acc] [CritD]x2
Aft:
1x Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII [Dmg]x3
1x Nukara Web Mine Launcher Mk XII
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Console loadout:
Engineering: 2x Fleet Enhanced RCS Accelerator Mk XII [AllRes]
Science: Sensor Disruption Field, Assimilated Module, Nukara Particle Converter
Tactical:
2x Fleet Spire Vulnerability Identifier Mk XII [+Tetryon]
2x Fleet Spire Vulnerability Exploiter Mk XII [+Tetryon]
1x Fleet Spire Vulnerability Exploiter Mk XII [+Quantum Torp]
----
Engine/Shield/Deflector: Full Omega Force
Warp Core: Dyson or Fleet Elite Reinforced Mk XII [AMP] [W->S]\

Just an idea for you. The layout is designed to take advantage of the ship's defining feature; speed and maneuverability. The Cutting Beam + Assimilated Module will help with beam overload power drain and the full Nukara Weapons set will grant the highly effective Refracting Beam Overload ability.

gerwalk0769 · January 2014

majortiraomega wrote: »

Turrets are what ships use when they have aft slots open, but they don't have anything better to use. The damage dropoff for turrets is pathetic and they aren't much use outside of Cannon Rapid Fire/Scatter Volley. Not to mention in PvP they are just another source of healing procs on consoles/set gear or the +Resistance proc on Elite Fleet shields.

Raiders are all about hit and run spike damage. Slot the Omega Force Deflector, Engine, and Shield on the Raider. The Omega Shield is Regenerative, which means it won't take much damage, but it restores health very quickly. The two piece bonus grants a shield stripping proc with weapons and the three piece grants an ability that disables a target's ability to turn (perfect for raiders and flanking).

The key to raider success is a Dual Beam Bank + Beam Overload II or III coupled with a fast moving high damage Torpedo attack (typically Quantum Torpedo + High Yield I or III). In PvE, it's possible to run something like this:
Bridge officer layout:

Commander Tactical: Tactical Team I, Attack Pattern Delta I, Beam Overload III, Attack Pattern Omega III

Lt. Commander Tactical: Torpedo High Yield I, Beam Overload II, Torpedo High Yield III

Lt. Science: Hazard Emitters I, Transfer Shield Strength II

Lt. Engineering: Emergency Power to Shields I, Auxiliary to Inertial Dampers I

Ensign Engineering: Emergency Power to Engines I

----

Duty officer layout:

2x Conn Officer - Tactical Team cooldown reduction and +10 to Attack Patterns

1x Matter-Antimatter Specialist - Resistance with Auxiliary to Inertial Dampers and ability duration extension.

2x Projectile Weapon Officer - 20% chance to reduce torpedo cooldown by 5 seconds.

1x Damage Control Engineer - Chance to reduce the cooldown of all emergency power abilities whenever an emergency power ability is used.

----

Weapons loadout:

Fore:

2x Fleet Advanced Tetryon Dual Heavy Cannons Mk XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]x2

1x Hyper-Refracting Dual Tetryon Beam Bank Mk XII

1x Quantum Torpedo Launcher Mk XII [Acc] [CritD]x2

Aft:

1x Kinetic Cutting Beam Mk XII [Dmg]x3

1x Nukara Web Mine Launcher Mk XII

----

Console loadout:

Engineering: 2x Fleet Enhanced RCS Accelerator Mk XII [AllRes]

Science: Sensor Disruption Field, Assimilated Module, Nukara Particle Converter

Tactical:

2x Fleet Spire Vulnerability Identifier Mk XII [+Tetryon]

2x Fleet Spire Vulnerability Exploiter Mk XII [+Tetryon]

1x Fleet Spire Vulnerability Exploiter Mk XII [+Quantum Torp]

----

Engine/Shield/Deflector: Full Omega Force

Warp Core: Dyson or Fleet Elite Reinforced Mk XII [AMP] [W->S]\

Just an idea for you. The layout is designed to take advantage of the ship's defining feature; speed and maneuverability. The Cutting Beam + Assimilated Module will help with beam overload power drain and the full Nukara Weapons set will grant the highly effective Refracting Beam Overload ability.

Interesting build and rationale. Thank you for taking the time to flesh each out.

@dontdrunkimshoot-If your post was responding to mine, thank you. The suppression reference confused me.

Best Plesh Brek dps build

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