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What is a raider?

mondoidmondoid Member Posts: 305 Arc User
edited December 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
So the new upgrade to the KDF is called "Flanking" which means extra dmg done to the rear arc, this is added to raider ships. Are Birds of Prey and Raptors both raiders or only BoPs?
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    They are 4th in AFC Western Division



    or Bird of Preys
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  • szerontzurszerontzur Member Posts: 2,724 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Only Birds of Prey are classified ingame as Raiders.. they gain their battlecloak at the cost of a dismally low shield modifier and hull strength.

    Raptors are effectively 'escorts'.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    A "Raider" is one of several varieties of cybernetic life form designed by the Cylons during the Armistice. Unlike the fighter craft used in the Rebellion, a Raider is capable of functioning independently, without risking three Centurion models in each flight. They are made in two models: the standard Raider, which is a space-superiority fighter with capabilities greater than any except the Mark VII Viper, and the Heavy Raider, which can carry a squad of Centurions on boarding actions or ground raids.

    During the Exodus, Viper pilot Lt. Kara "Starbuck" Thrace discovered that the biological portion of the Raider can be ejected through a belly hatch, presumably designed for medical maintenance of the organics, and the craft itself can be piloted (albeit somewhat clumsily) by a human manipulating the organs used by the original pilot for ship controls.
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  • orangeitisorangeitis Member Posts: 5,222 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Go to First City's shipyard. On the ship vendor, unselect every field except raiders.

    Those.
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  • meedacthunistmeedacthunist Member Posts: 3,085 Arc User1
    edited December 2013
    Any ships classified ingame as "raider".

    Which ATM is KDF BoP line and Breen raider.
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  • matchstick606matchstick606 Member Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    a group of people that ride into your village at sunset by horseback killing and burning everything in sight.
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  • knuhteb5knuhteb5 Member Posts: 1,831 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    One who raids.

    I liked this definition the best though I think we could improve it some more. How about one that specializes in raiding?
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  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Worst remake, ever.

    I'm gonna have to disagree
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Worst remake, ever.
    You misspelled "best".

    The only thing the original had going for it was that it was the first attempt to use Mormon theology as part of the backdrop of a major TV series. Other than that, it was badly written, badly acted, and with cheesy plotlines and endlessly repeated stock footage. The remake was its superior in every way.
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  • raphaeldisantoraphaeldisanto Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Really? I probably looked right at Brigham Young, and didn't even recognize him. The only redeeming feature of the new one was the space combat. Everything else... all that drama, and closeups. He's a Cylon, she's a Cylon, they're all Cylons, we're all Cylons! They strayed to far from the formula that makes awesome sci-fi: People blastin' the s**t out of killer robots from outer space!

    This guy said it better than I ever could.
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  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Raiders are these people that go around looking for lost Arcs and they heard that PWE found one :D
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited December 2013
    Prior to the Breen Plesh Brek, the only raiders in-game were the Klingon Birds of Prey. They get all-universal bridge officer stations and a battlecloak in exchange for very low hull (21-24k hull depending on the ship) and lower shield modifiers (Hegh'ta has .80 and the Fleet BoPs have .88). Now with the Plesh Brek, we'll have to start using the word 'raiders' more in order to cover non-BoP ships.

    Essentially, the flanking bonus is an improvement to the KDF. Shocking, I know.
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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Really? I probably looked right at Brigham Young, and didn't even recognize him.
    According to Mormon belief, the being we know as God was once a mortal, a native of the planet Kolob, who was granted dominion over this part of the universe as a reward for his extraordinary faith in life. (That's part of the prize every Mormon man strives toward - if he's good enough, he gets to be a steward of Creation.) Also, the Book of Mormon says that there were thirteen tribes of ancient Israel, not twelve; the thirteenth tribe went to the new Promised Land, far across the waters. (That'd be the Americas, for those paying attention.)

    So, lost thirteenth tribe, ancient lost homeworld of Kolob/Kobol; add in a healthy dose of von Daniken's "ancient astronaut" garbage, stir well, place in oven until half-baked, sprinkle with spaceships, lasers that explode for some reason, and fires that can burn in a spacecraft landing bay (referenced in the remake's pilot, in a matter of moments, when the burning section was vented to space), and serve on a national TV network. Serves almost an entire season before being cancelled.
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited December 2013
    jonsills wrote: »
    You misspelled "best".

    The only thing the original had going for it was that it was the first attempt to use Mormon theology as part of the backdrop of a major TV series. Other than that, it was badly written, badly acted, and with cheesy plotlines and endlessly repeated stock footage. The remake was its superior in every way.

    I agree 100%. The remake is far superior to the original ... and I watched the original .. as reruns of course(not that old). The 1/2 of the 1st season was exceptional but it got sidetracked by the need to say something about terrorism which was a bad idea. Sci fi doesn't really do well with something some immediate and horrifying. Sci fi is best when talking about the big picture and the vision forward.

    ... anyways ... back to the original point. A raid inmo is a ship that is used for

    A) Quick hit and run attacks to throw the enemy off balance
    B) Pillaging and looting

    This definitely fits the Klingons more than the Feds but I am not against the Feds getting their own raider ... sans cloak of course.
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  • earlnyghthawkearlnyghthawk Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Really? I probably looked right at Brigham Young, and didn't even recognize him. The only redeeming feature of the new one was the space combat. Everything else... all that drama, and closeups. He's a Cylon, she's a Cylon, they're all Cylons, we're all Cylons! They strayed too far from the formula that makes awesome sci-fi: People blastin' the s**t out of killer robots from outer space!

    Lol, He's a Pepper, She's a Pepper, you can be a Pepper too!
    And yeah, the remake blew donkey dong.
    The new had horrid acting, and really, in no way, resembles the original, except for names. Heck, they didn't even get the gender correct for half the crew!
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Huns? Mongolians? Pancho Villa? Quantril? The James gang? Now it's getting complicated.

    Thats why we just like to do the old#7.
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  • bitemepwebitemepwe Member Posts: 6,760 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    earlnyghthawk wrote: »
    Lol, He's a Pepper, She's a Pepper, you can be a Pepper too!
    And yeah, the remake blew donkey dong.
    The new had horrid acting, and really, in no way, resembles the original, except for names. Heck, they didn't even get the gender correct for half the crew!

    I agree whole heartedly.
    Leonard Nimoy, Spock.....:(

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  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    capnkirk4 wrote: »
    Really? My brother married a Mormon, and she never told me any of that stuff. Who granted him this dominion? The King of All Cosmos?
    The One who had dominion over that area. Like the lady said, it's turtles all the way down.
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  • theindefatigabletheindefatigable Member Posts: 351 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Are the Federation Aquarius and Fleet Aquarius raiders (despite their "destroyer" nomenclature)? They have 4 fore and 2 aft weapons slots, but with a turn rate of 17 (IIRC, which would be the same as the Defiant) they are one of the few underpowered fleet ships IMHO. They do have 5 boffs instead of the 4 that Klingon BoP's have, but the Breen ship also has 5 boffs and a more flexible layout and higher turn rate than the Aquarius.

    If the Aquarius is not a "raider," which is what I suspect, than it really should be reclassified in order to benefit from this bonus, as right now it trades too much in dps and survivability for its decent maneuverability and flexibility.
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  • roxbadroxbad Member Posts: 695
    edited December 2013
    earlnyghthawk wrote: »
    in no way, resembles the original, except for names.

    That's why it was better.
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  • maliusnightmaliusnight Member Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Raider types have 4/2 weapons layout, Low Hull, low shields, great maneuverability and mostly Universal boff slots.
  • kojirohellfirekojirohellfire Member Posts: 1,606 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    patrickngo wrote: »
    You're not the only one confused here-I think he's mixing up Scientology for LDS doctrine.

    Which is kind of what happens when people rely on the Internetz or competing preachers for info.

    I Spent a good portion of my growing up around LDS- in that state just to the right of Utah on the map, my sister converted and therefore, we all had to attend church per the rules in the household. They're more or less Heretical southern Baptists who think some of the Native American peoples might be descended from Jews and got visited by Jesus after the Crucifiction... That's the big deal with 'em, and why they were burned out of every place they set up 'till they went to Utah... the actual "Science fictional/miraculous" portion of their dogma revolves around a long, earth-bound sea journey and colonization in North America-and it's only fictional if you don't think it happened (can't be proven, and the Kon-Tiki's voyage makes some of it make sense...)

    The ship designs in the book don't work, but other than that, it's mostly in the 'plausible' range until their big visit from the guy who got crucified.

    but then, it's not theology if it doesn't break credibility-Miracles are miraculous because they violate physics and causality, otherwise they're just phenomena to be explained rationally...

    I found this: http://www.mormondna.org/mormon-beliefs/mormons-planet-die.html

    So, the fact of the matter is that it's kinda, sorta true, maybe. But not the way Jon is saying it.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Da Raiduhhz!!!
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