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  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,977 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    captsol wrote: »
    Wasn't Mogh dishonored? Why would they name a ship after him? Or am I confused?

    It's probably a Sci oriented ship as those use all the various magic powers to cheat IP physics.

    Can't have an MMO without a mage class even if it's supposed to be Sci Fi.
  • panserbjorne39panserbjorne39 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Looks sooooo badass. Can't wait! Thanks Cryptic!:D
  • serevnserevn Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The Feds should be afraid... be very afraid.
  • michaelp1989michaelp1989 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Grinding zen for it since yesterday as I saw Mogh in shipyard.
    A shame that it will be avenger-legoprise clone but finally we'll get new ship lol.
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  • captaind3captaind3 Member Posts: 2,442 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Grinding zen for it since yesterday as I saw Mogh in shipyard.
    A shame that it will be avenger-legoprise clone but finally we'll get new ship lol.

    Well, if it had come out first people would be calling it a Mogh Clone. They're just applying some balance and parity in the classes.

    Although a five fore weapon Bird of Prey would be nice. :D
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  • aveimperatoraveimperator Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    KDF: OMG Cryptic hates us and never gives us anything!

    Cryptic: Here, guys! Shiny new ship!

    KDF: OMG this ship is the ugliest thing ever! [email protected]%^ you, Cryptic!



    ....this is why you can't have nice things, KDF. You don't appreciate them.
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Didn't say the new ship was an Negh'var Variant? Looks more like a Vor'cha variant from that angle. :confused:

    As for the looks, I'm not fond of all the lights on it, it doesn't feel Klingon.
    alexvecci wrote: »
    I once found a klingon translator thing....

    Bortas means 'secret' (infact the Bortas was a secret prototype)

    Somraw means 'muscle' (infact the fleet issue really keeps up to the name)

    i searched other names aswell, but don't remember them all...

    The Official Klingon Dictionary says Bortas means Revenge. But Somraw does mean muscle.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    HELL YES!!! HELL YES!!!!!

    Cryptic, allow me to formally apologize for every complaint I have ever made regarding KDF ships and the Bortas issue. This makes up for it. And for those who say it's just an Avenger reskin: That's a GOOD thing.

    ZEN farming, here I come!
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited December 2013
    KDF: OMG Cryptic hates us and never gives us anything!

    Cryptic: Here, guys! Shiny new ship!

    KDF: OMG this ship is the ugliest thing ever! [email protected]%^ you, Cryptic!



    ....this is why you can't have nice things, KDF. You don't appreciate them.

    "Durr, let's take 1-2 isolated posts and claim all KDF players are saying the same thing!111!!"
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  • odyssey47odyssey47 Member Posts: 524 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but it had to be said. Let us take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

    The Somraw Raptor ~ obviously nobody could think of an original name, so took the one from the ST:Enterprise show (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Somraw)
    The K'Tanco Battle Cruiser ~ named after Kang's old ship (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_K%27Tanco)
    The Ch'Tang Bird of Prey ~ named after an older B'rel serving in 2375 (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Ch%27Tang)
    The Vor'Kang Battle Cruiser ~ because combining the Vor'cha with Kang is original ...
    The Koro't'inga Battle Cruiser ~ I don't know about the 'koro', the the name could have done without the t'inga aspect
    The Ning'tao Bird of Prey ~ another former B'rel (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Ning%27tao)
    The Hegh'ta Bird of Prey ~ yet another former B'rel (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Hegh%27ta)
    The Bortas Battle Cruiser ~ likely named from the Vor'cha (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Bortas_%28Vor%27cha_class%29) of the same name (or the older D5 vessel of the same name (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Bortas_%28D5_class%29))

    Half of the Klingon Armada is named after ships that have been seen or heard of in the shows just because they've been seen or heard from. You've done similar with some of the Federation ships too (Venture, Bellerophon, Sau Paulo, Stargazer, Thunderchild). Thank God the Romulans were at least unique.

    Edit: I get that you guys might want to pay homage to some ships, and that's to be expected (I'd do the same) but when it's random ships such as the Ning'tao, Thunderchild or Koro't'inga it just comes across as lazy.

    I have watched all Trek episodes, and remember most of them well. I will however admit that I'll a little sketchy when it comes to TOS (or TAS).

    Star Trek fans love touchstoning, even when it's excessive and creates a feeling of unoriginality. I myself like it in very small doses, but a lot of times in this game I feel like I'm getting beaten over the head with it. This happens a lot in the Trek novels as well.
  • worffan101worffan101 Member Posts: 9,518 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I don't know about you guys, but I'm practically crapping my pants with excitement. Finally, a real C-store endgame ship fit for true Klingon warriors!

    Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam! thlIngan maH!
  • rezkingrezking Member Posts: 1,106 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Finally.
    The drought is over.
    NO to ARC
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  • pwecangetlostpwecangetlost Member Posts: 538 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    No one cares.

    Quoted for truth.

    Though, I care in the opposite manner. I like that they're call backs to ships of the line.
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Thank God the Romulans were at least unique.

    Err...

    Haakona Class - IRW Haakona
    D'ridthau Class - IRW D'ridthau
    Valdore Class - IRW Valdore
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  • exa12exa12 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but it had to be said. Let us take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

    Having taken a little time to research, i believe i can justify most of these name choices
    The Somraw Raptor ~ obviously nobody could think of an original name, so took the one from the ST:Enterprise show (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Somraw)
    I will admit this is awkward, as in the episode it was specifically identified as a Raptor-Class scout, any other speculation on the name is exactly that, speculation
    The K'Tanco Battle Cruiser ~ named after Kang's old ship (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_K%27Tanco)
    make my arguments slightly tricky when the 2 most difficult to justify are at the top, but given it was never used on screen as the name of one of Kang's ships means its just a name that is klingon and is considered appropriate for a ship from a production standpoint
    The Ch'Tang Bird of Prey ~ named after an older B'rel serving in 2375 (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Ch%27Tang)
    original was used to lead a string of in-and-out raids, which would have be aided by having the Subspace Jumper used by the Ch'Tang-Class
    Its non-Cstore variant also counts, being named for the first ship not disabled by the breen energy dampers, thus giving a means to defend against it

    The Vor'Kang Battle Cruiser ~ because combining the Vor'cha with Kang is original ...
    Vor, as in Vor'Cha means cure , Vor'Cha meaning 'torpedo cure' or 'to cure with torpedoes', Vor'Kang therefore means something like 'Kang's Cure', possibly meaning it was designed by or at the behest of Kang or his house
    The Koro't'inga Battle Cruiser ~ I don't know about the 'koro', the the name could have done without the t'inga aspect
    Koro-Class was the name given to the K't'inga-Class in the script for 'In Thy Image' the Phase-2 episode that became the Motion Picture
    The Ning'tao Bird of Prey ~ another former B'rel (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Ning%27tao)
    Original was used by Dahah Master Kor to single-handedly hold up a major Dominion fleet, perfectly appropriate for the class that comes with Quad-Cannons
    The Hegh'ta Bird of Prey ~ yet another former B'rel (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Hegh%27ta)
    Original was Kurn's ship, and therefore probably the flagship of the House of Mogh's fleet, class was named during Martok's reign, by his house after his death, or by Kahless as a gesture of favour towards Worf
    The Bortas Battle Cruiser ~ likely named from the Vor'cha (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Bortas_%28Vor%27cha_class%29) of the same name (or the older D5 vessel of the same name (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Bortas_%28D5_class%29))
    both origins work for the class, the Vor'Cha Bortas was the Empire's flagship before the Negh'Var was built/finished, and the D-5 Bortas was the ship of Duras, whos decendants control the power-block that back J'mpok, making it a very apropriate name for the KDF's new flagship

    ...this isn't even the first time Mogh is referenced by a ship in the game; there's an I.K.S. Mogh's Revenge that's part of the Klingon fleet sent to fight the Planet Killer in the Fed storyline mission "Doomsday Device".
    flash525 wrote: »
    Another stupid ship name. Since when did the Klingon's start using English to name a ship? :rolleyes:

    It isnt named in English, some ship names do get translated, e.g. 'PWB Preceptor', 'Kronos One', 'Quark's Treasure' on screen, and in game: 'Mogh's Revenge', 'IRW Bloodfire', 'IRW Khopesh', various trading ships of various species, all the Romulan/Reman ships named in Latin, all the KDF ally ship classes named in english


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  • f8explorer#7814 f8explorer Member Posts: 1,324 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    KDF: OMG Cryptic hates us and never gives us anything!

    Cryptic: Here, guys! Shiny new ship!

    KDF: OMG this ship is the ugliest thing ever! [email protected]%^ you, Cryptic!



    ....this is why you can't have nice things, KDF. You don't appreciate them.

    Odd. All the dedicated KDG players I know are extremely excited for this ship and thanking Cryptic.

    My Gates of Sto'Vo'Kor podcast mate bitemepwe (G'hargh/Roach) one of the most vocal supporters among them and I've always seen him call it as he sees it.

    I and my fleetmates have zen and fleet modules at the ready.

    To Cryptic ... Thank you.
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  • blitzy4blitzy4 Member Posts: 829 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Looks like the K'tanco refit. ;)
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  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Finally a Tier 5 KDF ship i can buy on the C-store since i bought the B'rel Retrofit 3,000 years ago.
  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I really wish they'd time the release of this thing to match up to juuuuuust when the first people are getting their 1000 Q pics from the holiday event. Then we'd get some instances of Fed raiders hunting Klingon cruisers. The irony coefficient would implode the universe.
  • zeuxidemus001zeuxidemus001 Member Posts: 3,357 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    captsol wrote: »
    Wasn't Mogh dishonored? Why would they name a ship after him? Or am I confused?

    He was in one episode and that is when the Gowron arc came into place where eventually Worf was given his honor back. In one episode can't recall the name but when Worf was joining the House of Martok he pretty much decided not to keep on wearing a House that no longer existed.

    Pretty much he had been declared a traitor long after the Khitomer Incident occurred. It wasn't until so many decades later that a romulan ship that contained proof that they had been given the codes to allow the attack to succeed it basically pointed to the House of Duras but they figured Worf being raised by humans wouldn't care and wouldn't challenge them. Of course he did challenge them and that is how that all got started.
    malkarris wrote: »
    That is one ugly...

    And why is the Klingon Empire naming a ship after Mogh, who was never publicly cleared of being a traitor, was he?

    A matter of opinion on its looks. I love how it looks it basically has a combination of every battle cruiser plus some of the raptor look from the warp engines. Plus it has a bit of a new look as well bringing it more on par with moving forward on a 25th century model of a ship.
    There is lore behind why it's named Mogh in one of next week's blogs.



    :rolleyes:

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    I'm looking forward to it. Ironic when I got really bored before season 8 started one of the things I did was recap watching all the Klingon episodes. This will be very interesting based on the lore currently being the whole eviction of Worf from the great hall and the whole relationship that Torg had with Duras and J'mpok. Especially being that wedge created between Torg and the other two. As well as the little NPC talk about how the how Ja'rod and J'mpok aren't as united as once before I am guessing due to the outcome of House of Torg lol.

    I guess this is a good time to wish Cryptic well with the sale of this ship as well being that the bortasqu' issue stopped us from getting a ship outside of the Anniversary for two years. So hope there is more to come but very thankful we are getting this Mogh class soon :D
  • kintishokintisho Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I for one am glad to see the KDF finally get a possibly worthy ship annd the possible story arc to restore the name of the house of Worf (hehehe yes I went there) all the more worth it.:cool:
  • oakland4lifeoakland4life Member Posts: 545 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    i can see Federation Raiders running away from Klingon Battle Cruisers... again.
  • psiameesepsiameese Member Posts: 1,536 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Interesting looking starship.

    Gowron did strip the House of Mogh - meaning the entire family line - of it's lands, etc. Martok brought Worf into the House of Martok. Poor Kurn - Worf's younger brother - got his memory wiped and is part of yet another House under an assumed name (expanded upon later in a novel. It wouldn't surprise me if that story came to bear for purposes of STO lore).

    When a Klingon introduces themselves as So-and-So of the House of Mogh, they are relating to an entire family line. Brothers, sisters, cousins, Aunts, Uncles. Also bear in mind that TNG suggested - but never confirmed - that Kurn had immediate family of his own.

    Just because Worf may have chosen to no longer fight for the name of Mogh doesn't mean any other distant relative haven't done so. It's not like they would have any reason to consult Worf on the matter at this point. Other Klingon traditions clearly permitted him to move on. Appealing to Martok and/or J'mpok later? Possible. Might these other relatives have moved into ship building? Plausible, IMO.
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  • robeasomrobeasom Member Posts: 1,911 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    Admittedly, I had forgotten about the Valdore, the other ones I didn't notice (names of Romulan ships apparently aren't remembered as well as Klingon ones). It seems however that Cryptic got lazy with the Green Guys too. What a shocker.

    I don't think's laziness it shows that they have done some research into the names of ships for that particular faction. Although i;m unsure about the mogh class since he was classed a traitor a shi would not be made to honour someone like that,

    But in the show there was ships named after dieties and favourite people
    i.e
    USS Einstein
    USS Columbus

    Are you saying that Star Trek writers were lazy since they didnt come up with anything "Original"?
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    Brigadier General Jokag IKS Gorkan
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  • fazemladaiyafazemladaiya Member Posts: 165 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    exa12 wrote: »
    of the top of my head, IRL the U.S. Enterprise Class and UK Invincible Class and in Universe the Andorian Kumari Class all have names that have been used for older iconic ships, why should the Klingons, with a similarly militant culture not do it?

    Because that kid wouldn't know military or naval tradition. You have to actually be aware of actual history and not just fictional history to get that a lot of fictional history is based off of real history ;)

    Anyway, nice ship. I'll add it to my collection on release.
  • hravikhravik Member Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    My first impression upon seeing the front view is this ship is an altered TCS Tiger's Claw.
  • reathyrreathyr Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    flash525 wrote: »
    I'm sorry, but it had to be said. Let us take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

    The Somraw Raptor ~ obviously nobody could think of an original name, so took the one from the ST:Enterprise show (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Somraw)
    The K'Tanco Battle Cruiser ~ named after Kang's old ship (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_K%27Tanco)
    The Ch'Tang Bird of Prey ~ named after an older B'rel serving in 2375 (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Ch%27Tang)
    The Vor'Kang Battle Cruiser ~ because combining the Vor'cha with Kang is original ...
    The Koro't'inga Battle Cruiser ~ I don't know about the 'koro', the the name could have done without the t'inga aspect
    The Ning'tao Bird of Prey ~ another former B'rel (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Ning%27tao)
    The Hegh'ta Bird of Prey ~ yet another former B'rel (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Hegh%27ta)
    The Bortas Battle Cruiser ~ likely named from the Vor'cha (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Bortas_%28Vor%27cha_class%29) of the same name (or the older D5 vessel of the same name (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/IKS_Bortas_%28D5_class%29))

    Half of the Klingon Armada is named after ships that have been seen or heard of in the shows just because they've been seen or heard from. You've done similar with some of the Federation ships too (Venture, Bellerophon, Sau Paulo, Stargazer, Thunderchild). Thank God the Romulans were at least unique.

    Edit: I get that you guys might want to pay homage to some ships, and that's to be expected (I'd do the same) but when it's random ships such as the Ning'tao, Thunderchild or Koro't'inga it just comes across as lazy.

    I have watched all Trek episodes, and remember most of them well. I will however admit that I'll a little sketchy when it comes to TOS (or TAS).

    Naming ship classes after ships of previous classes is common practice here on earth in real life, we expect to see that, case in point:

    The new America-class is named for the USS America, a Kitty Hawk class Aircraft Carrier, both are of course also named for the USA.
    The Hyūga-class of the JMSDF is named after the IJN Hyūga, and both are named after the old Hyūga Province
    The Invincible-class, well it's just easier to show you how many ships have been named HMS Invincible throughout the centuries.

    This is not just reserved for famous or hero ships, sometimes it's just easier to grab a name from an individual ship of class that's long since been retired and then reuse it, and its sisters from the old class as names for the new class, the British do this for instance with their submarines, like their new Astute-class which is named for HMS Astute, an Amphion-class submarine without any noteworthy history.

    So reusing ship names for new classes is not out of the ordinary, it's actually very common practice, nor is naming ships after famous people from history, like all ships of the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz-class_aircraft_carrier[/url]Nimitz-class[/url] or the King George V-class

    Also Mogh might not refer to Worf's father, but perhaps to his great-grandfather, as we know Worf was named after his Grandfather, Colonel Worf, so maybe this ship is named after an other Mogh, or the distant ancestor who founded the House of Mogh.

    And you've got to remember, both this game and Star Trek as a whole, are still made by humans, so you'll find these things that humans do in other races as well, just because well it's hard to imagine how anyone, or any race would do it differently.
  • suavekssuaveks Member Posts: 1,736 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Can we please have an option to remove those gray pseudo-armored pieces? They look hideous.

    Overall I really miss Captain Logan and Cryptic's older approach to original designs. All the new stuff looks too busy. As if the designer tries too hard to show "yes, this thing has cannons, look, look at all those pointy red cannon tubes" etc.

    And then I look at Gladius, Exeter, Venture, Imperial, Bellerophon, Thunderchild, Sao Paulo... Good times, good times...
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  • maxdredmaxdred Member Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Ugly. Why has Cryptic gone back to the old blocky design doctrine? Is it to get around the polygon budget? Maybe I just need to see it from more angles but I also said that about the Avenger. I will probably get it just to support the KDF faction though.


    suaveks wrote: »
    Can we please have an option to remove those gray pseudo-armored pieces? They look hideous.

    Overall I really miss Captain Logan and Cryptic's older approach to original designs. All the new stuff looks too busy. As if the designer tries too hard to show "yes, this thing has cannons, look, look at all those pointy red cannon tubes" etc.

    And then I look at Gladius, Exeter, Venture, Imperial, Bellerophon, Thunderchild, Sao Paulo... Good times, good times...

    The ship designs have definitely got worse since Logan left. Although he made a few horrible designs himself he was getting better with his newer ships. The new designer seems to lack inspiration. Maybe he's just on a tighter schedule. But you can find much better ship designers on deviantart than what they're producing here. Cryptic should seriously look into hiring some of those artists for their designs. But I doubt they have any will or inclination to do that.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,464 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    All the KDF ships are ugly and stupid looking, even the canon ones, but that's fine the Klingons don't make ships to be pretty, they make them for battle.
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