...In any case, PvP in any game attracts some of the worst and most worthless sorts of people to games. Star Trek Online doesn't need to increase its share in worthless people.
I wanna know who put you in charge of deciding who was worthless? What criteria did you use? Was it scientifically valid or did you just go with the usual preconceived B.S. self centered reasons?
I don't PvP. However, if doing so makes me worthless, then I'll not play any other part of STO until you leave.
Arrogance on your part, Sir! Damnable arrogance at that! I demand satisfaction for your insult!
I challenge you to a 1v1 PvP duel!
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PVP revamp is going to happen if for nothing else it is a place for money to be made by Cryptic and for all this useless rep/fleet gear to be used. I think what we are seeing in S8 is a test of how a ground territory control pvp scenario would work. PvP in Neverwinter on the ground territory control looks very similar.
Lets really face the facts... PvE content right now is no more challenging than playing farmville clickies and getting your work done for the day/hour etc. The only place I really see to challenge your build or your skill set is against another player and it is the only place you need any specialty gear. STO's AI hardly qualifies as a challenge.
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I wanna know who put you in charge of deciding who was worthless? What criteria did you use? Was it scientifically valid or did you just go with the usual preconceived B.S. self centered reasons?
I don't PvP. However, if doing so makes me worthless, then I'll not play any other part of STO until you leave.
Arrogance on your part, Sir! Damnable arrogance at that! I demand satisfaction for your insult!
I challenge you to a 1v1 PvP duel!
He wasn't saying that by pvping you're worthless he was saying that there are many pvpers who are and I think he means real pvpers not casuals who occasionally pvp.
I wanna know who put you in charge of deciding who was worthless? What criteria did you use? Was it scientifically valid or did you just go with the usual preconceived B.S. self centered reasons?
I don't PvP. However, if doing so makes me worthless, then I'll not play any other part of STO until you leave.
Arrogance on your part, Sir! Damnable arrogance at that! I demand satisfaction for your insult!
I challenge you to a 1v1 PvP duel!
Funny but you're off base.
In fact, every member of the human race has the right to judge character.
I judge people on the basis on how they treat others.
And the worthless people I am referring to are those that abuse and belittle others on the basis of their "game performance" - the best way to put it. Those people that adjudge that they are superior to their prey because of their "achievements" or "DPS" or "kill score" or "gear".
Or alternately, characterise PvP in one of the following ways:
A game of tennis between friends
A guy that beats up on his wife and kids
If you are in the second category then you are in the worthless category.
There is no such thing as an irrelevant gaming market when discussing gaming. PVP-centric games being dominant on both consoles and computers affects everyone but mobile gamers. The FTP market is dominated by Mobas. This phenomena affects us as players and consumers. PVP is the most popular way to extend a games longevity and not treating it like a red headed step child will do the game well. Just because PVP doesn't dominate MMOs doesn't mean it's not important.
I have no idea what planet it was that you just arrived from, but since you are obviously entirely new to our world, let me say welcome to planet Earth.
Despite whatever lies your alien overlords may have told you, the simple reality is that PvP is entirely irrelevant to the success of an MMO because the percentage of MMO players who play MMOs for PvP is infinitesimmally minute. Sorry to burst your bubble here, but you see, real PvP players do not choose to play MMOs. Instead, real PvP players choose to play games that were designed and developed from day one with a focus and emphasis on PvP. An MMO with some PvP tacked on as an afterthought is a clear sign that the game was not designed and developed from day one with a focus and emphasis on PvP.
The only players who try to make PvP work in an MMO are players who simply can not cut it in a real PvP game. No matter what you thought what you were getting when you bought the box.
ah, yes...well, if you believe the gentleman quoted here, I submit the following link to a PVE thread as the counter-argument. (mind you, it's a couple hundered pages long) In which, to your disbelieving eyes, you will see the deep, warm decency of the PvE community on full display in all it's glorious charity, intellect, and cooperative sense.
No revamp is happening folks. Why mess with the arms race which fuels all the PvP P2W sales and wallet warrior's egos.
PvE doesn't even count since you can do nearly everything in game with MK X Blue / Purple gear straight off the exchange @ 50.
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He wasn't saying that by pvping you're worthless he was saying that there are many pvpers who are and I think he means real pvpers not casuals who occasionally pvp.
Horse Pucky! Now you're trying to define what a PvPer is!
You, Sir, Madam, or Otherwise, have no need to try to explain to me what a PvPer is. I have eyes I can read and play STO. I have a brain. I can think for myself, TYVM.
He was obviously trying to generalize and paint people with a very broad brush of hyperbole so he could more easily fit them into his narrow little pigeonhole views.
I highly resent the implications he made about my friends who PvP. He knows nothing at all about them yet he inferred in public they were worthless. Simply because they PvP. No other reason. It was very rude. Worse, it was bad form and damnably uncivilized.
As to the, "there are many PvPer's who are" rubbish; There are far fewer than these forums would have us believe. There are just as many PvEer's who match in all the particulars the stereotype he so wrongly portrayed.
Your logic is flawed. Your defense of someone so indefensible is weak. The fact you even attempted to do so calls your judgement and common sense into question.
I don't PvP. But I will defend someone who does from such a harshly worded and wrongheaded opinion. Why? Simple. They play STO. And if I have to explain it any further than this, you'll never get it, will you?
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*pokes head in*
I am a PvEer of sorts, in that I almost never PvP outside of casual ones with my fleet. This is because, being the averageish player I seem to be, I usually get my ship blown into space dust with the quickness in open PvP. I can't be bothered with macros or 250milion EC ship builds. I dance through Omega Elites with relative ease, and with a few exceptions I cant take most STF Elite NPCs on my own.
I welcome a revamp of PvP, that may make it so I could be more competitive in said modes.
I'm sure there are elitists out there who may bash me for my play style, but that's what they put the "ignore" button in for. As for the "worst" people being in PvP, I have to disagree. Even after showing my lack of uberness in a PvP match, I always get at least a "good game" if not a "keep trying, youll get better."
Sure, theres people who whine that I'm useless to my team and such forth.. but they are the minority, and always get ignored. The worst STO has to offer? I would say quite a few of those "type" of people spend their free time aboard Earth Space Dock. (Not meaning that the majority of people on ESD are those "type" of person, just that ESD is where I encounter the most of them at once.)
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*pokes head in*
I am a PvEer of sorts, in that I almost never PvP outside of casual ones with my fleet. This is because, being the averageish player I seem to be, I usually get my ship blown into space dust with the quickness in open PvP. I can't be bothered with macros or 250milion EC ship builds. I dance through Omega Elites with relative ease, and with a few exceptions I cant take most STF Elite NPCs on my own.
I welcome a revamp of PvP, that may make it so I could be more competitive in said modes.
I'm sure there are elitists out there who may bash me for my play style, but that's what they put the "ignore" button in for. As for the "worst" people being in PvP, I have to disagree. Even after showing my lack of uberness in a PvP match, I always get at least a "good game" if not a "keep trying, youll get better."
Sure, theres people who whine that I'm useless to my team and such forth.. but they are the minority, and always get ignored. The worst STO has to offer? I would say quite a few of those "type" of people spend their free time aboard Earth Space Dock. (Not meaning that the majority of people on ESD are those "type" of person, just that ESD is where I encounter the most of them at once.)
AN honest question after reading so many comments from people saying no pvp update ever!
I never understood how people find it a challenge to destroy stupid npc's who do the same thing EVERY TIME and are so vocal against a pvp fix. As a mostly pvp'er myself i don't care when pve stuff gets added so why the hel should they care if pvp gets an update they don't even have to play it c'mon on you guys have had 8 seasons!!! can we have one?
Indeed, how about we get something more than just bugfixes? A thorough balance pass through the gametype would be more than welcome if they won't do anything else.
If this has already been posted in here, forgive me!
Real simple what I would love to see if it came to a revamp for PVP. Parts of the map being able to flip from one side to another after fighting over them.
Let all of you work out the kinks and which areas this would happen in. Just as long as the bottom line = sectors of space could change ownership!
Kind of how the Star Fleet Command 2 maps were set up. Or at least something along those lines. Anything better than what is on here now. queue, wait, fight, done, next? repeat.... I guess that's fun for awhile, but I want some meat on my bone please!
I think this thread has run its' course now. Many of the replies range from snarky to nasty and it's not improving a whole lot. And people are forgetting that they aren't supposed to reply to posts that they think are flames or trolls in the first place.
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So anyone who thinks one side has less Jerks than the other is in deep denial.
I don't PvP. However, if doing so makes me worthless, then I'll not play any other part of STO until you leave.
Arrogance on your part, Sir! Damnable arrogance at that! I demand satisfaction for your insult!
I challenge you to a 1v1 PvP duel!
Lets really face the facts... PvE content right now is no more challenging than playing farmville clickies and getting your work done for the day/hour etc. The only place I really see to challenge your build or your skill set is against another player and it is the only place you need any specialty gear. STO's AI hardly qualifies as a challenge.
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He wasn't saying that by pvping you're worthless he was saying that there are many pvpers who are and I think he means real pvpers not casuals who occasionally pvp.
Funny but you're off base.
In fact, every member of the human race has the right to judge character.
I judge people on the basis on how they treat others.
And the worthless people I am referring to are those that abuse and belittle others on the basis of their "game performance" - the best way to put it. Those people that adjudge that they are superior to their prey because of their "achievements" or "DPS" or "kill score" or "gear".
Or alternately, characterise PvP in one of the following ways:
If you are in the second category then you are in the worthless category.
Despite whatever lies your alien overlords may have told you, the simple reality is that PvP is entirely irrelevant to the success of an MMO because the percentage of MMO players who play MMOs for PvP is infinitesimmally minute. Sorry to burst your bubble here, but you see, real PvP players do not choose to play MMOs. Instead, real PvP players choose to play games that were designed and developed from day one with a focus and emphasis on PvP. An MMO with some PvP tacked on as an afterthought is a clear sign that the game was not designed and developed from day one with a focus and emphasis on PvP.
The only players who try to make PvP work in an MMO are players who simply can not cut it in a real PvP game. No matter what you thought what you were getting when you bought the box.
A lot of people forget about that thread don't they? :P
I would buy him a beer.
R.I.P
PvE doesn't even count since you can do nearly everything in game with MK X Blue / Purple gear straight off the exchange @ 50.
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You, Sir, Madam, or Otherwise, have no need to try to explain to me what a PvPer is. I have eyes I can read and play STO. I have a brain. I can think for myself, TYVM.
He was obviously trying to generalize and paint people with a very broad brush of hyperbole so he could more easily fit them into his narrow little pigeonhole views.
I highly resent the implications he made about my friends who PvP. He knows nothing at all about them yet he inferred in public they were worthless. Simply because they PvP. No other reason. It was very rude. Worse, it was bad form and damnably uncivilized.
As to the, "there are many PvPer's who are" rubbish; There are far fewer than these forums would have us believe. There are just as many PvEer's who match in all the particulars the stereotype he so wrongly portrayed.
Your logic is flawed. Your defense of someone so indefensible is weak. The fact you even attempted to do so calls your judgement and common sense into question.
I don't PvP. But I will defend someone who does from such a harshly worded and wrongheaded opinion. Why? Simple. They play STO. And if I have to explain it any further than this, you'll never get it, will you?
cyas.
Course not. But it's a great way to judge someone when it happens.
I am a PvEer of sorts, in that I almost never PvP outside of casual ones with my fleet. This is because, being the averageish player I seem to be, I usually get my ship blown into space dust with the quickness in open PvP. I can't be bothered with macros or 250milion EC ship builds. I dance through Omega Elites with relative ease, and with a few exceptions I cant take most STF Elite NPCs on my own.
I welcome a revamp of PvP, that may make it so I could be more competitive in said modes.
I'm sure there are elitists out there who may bash me for my play style, but that's what they put the "ignore" button in for. As for the "worst" people being in PvP, I have to disagree. Even after showing my lack of uberness in a PvP match, I always get at least a "good game" if not a "keep trying, youll get better."
Sure, theres people who whine that I'm useless to my team and such forth.. but they are the minority, and always get ignored. The worst STO has to offer? I would say quite a few of those "type" of people spend their free time aboard Earth Space Dock. (Not meaning that the majority of people on ESD are those "type" of person, just that ESD is where I encounter the most of them at once.)
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This world needs more people like you.
Indeed, how about we get something more than just bugfixes? A thorough balance pass through the gametype would be more than welcome if they won't do anything else.
Real simple what I would love to see if it came to a revamp for PVP. Parts of the map being able to flip from one side to another after fighting over them.
Let all of you work out the kinks and which areas this would happen in. Just as long as the bottom line = sectors of space could change ownership!
Kind of how the Star Fleet Command 2 maps were set up. Or at least something along those lines. Anything better than what is on here now. queue, wait, fight, done, next? repeat.... I guess that's fun for awhile, but I want some meat on my bone please!
Depends, was the lawyer on my retainer? If no then a Single Malt.
R.I.P
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