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scottstaten
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I have a problem.
I want to buy a Klingon ship. Not an imperial race ship, a KLINGON one. Unfortunately I?m finding my choice rather limited. I want a Store ship, not a fleet ship, because, to be perfectly honest, a store ship is a good buy, IF you can find the right one. All my KDF characters could use it after all.
I?ve considered the imperial ally ships (Orion, Naussican, etc) and the Kar?fi but in the end, I want something that?s more iconically Klingon in appearance. Searching the store and Wiki I see that Romulans have several ships with a Romulan look, the Feds have exactly 2 ?member race? ships, and the Vulcan one is canon! Within the KDF, I have, essentially, 2 choices the B?rel Bird of Prey and the Bortasq? heavy Cruisers (I?m sorry something that ungainly is no more a battle cruiser than the Enterprise in ST3 was, even if the Klingons called it one).
The B?rel is a good ship, but it?s squishier than the free BOP I got on my tac officer at level 40, and so unless I want to fire torps or mines from cloak (which I do not) it?s really not suitable.
The Bortasq? line are also good ships, but if I want something that big and sluggish, I?ve already got a Mirror Vo?quv that my Gorn engineer is flying. (Hey, he needed a ship big enough for a 9 foot tall captain!)
What I don?t see in the store is a Max level battle cruiser reminiscent of the Movies or TV shows. Something similar in basic layout and stats to the Federation Regent (Compare the level 40 assault cruiser with the Refit Vor?cha of that level, they are VERY similar) would be a fantastic addition to the store in my opinion.
I can?t speak for anyone else, but I?d buy something like that because it?d be a good ship. I know we are supposedly getting an avenger clone eventually, and if it?s a Klingon ship, I suppose it will do nicely. Still, I?d be very happy with a Regent with a few thousand less hull, a slightly better turn rate, a cloak and the ability to mount cannons.
I don?t want anything extreme, I just want something that feels like a good buy for both my Tac and Engineering KDF Captains. And I want it to be a Klingon ship, not an allied one.
Is that really such an unreasonable desire?
I want to buy a Klingon ship. Not an imperial race ship, a KLINGON one. Unfortunately I?m finding my choice rather limited. I want a Store ship, not a fleet ship, because, to be perfectly honest, a store ship is a good buy, IF you can find the right one. All my KDF characters could use it after all.
I?ve considered the imperial ally ships (Orion, Naussican, etc) and the Kar?fi but in the end, I want something that?s more iconically Klingon in appearance. Searching the store and Wiki I see that Romulans have several ships with a Romulan look, the Feds have exactly 2 ?member race? ships, and the Vulcan one is canon! Within the KDF, I have, essentially, 2 choices the B?rel Bird of Prey and the Bortasq? heavy Cruisers (I?m sorry something that ungainly is no more a battle cruiser than the Enterprise in ST3 was, even if the Klingons called it one).
The B?rel is a good ship, but it?s squishier than the free BOP I got on my tac officer at level 40, and so unless I want to fire torps or mines from cloak (which I do not) it?s really not suitable.
The Bortasq? line are also good ships, but if I want something that big and sluggish, I?ve already got a Mirror Vo?quv that my Gorn engineer is flying. (Hey, he needed a ship big enough for a 9 foot tall captain!)
What I don?t see in the store is a Max level battle cruiser reminiscent of the Movies or TV shows. Something similar in basic layout and stats to the Federation Regent (Compare the level 40 assault cruiser with the Refit Vor?cha of that level, they are VERY similar) would be a fantastic addition to the store in my opinion.
I can?t speak for anyone else, but I?d buy something like that because it?d be a good ship. I know we are supposedly getting an avenger clone eventually, and if it?s a Klingon ship, I suppose it will do nicely. Still, I?d be very happy with a Regent with a few thousand less hull, a slightly better turn rate, a cloak and the ability to mount cannons.
I don?t want anything extreme, I just want something that feels like a good buy for both my Tac and Engineering KDF Captains. And I want it to be a Klingon ship, not an allied one.
Is that really such an unreasonable desire?
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The Romulans already have more, and they are the newer race.
I would also like to see a range of mercenary ships added to the KDF to give them a more eclectic feel in addition to the distinctive lines of more traditional Klingon vessels. I actually see mercenaries as a possible future expansion to the game, a faction within the faction to increase the number of ships, costumes, locations and missions available to the KDF.
I'm traditionally a Fed player, but the other day I found myself looking at the KDF range of ships, looking for a reason to start a KDF character with the new tutorial and a ship to aim for... but sadly, just like you, I found myself disappointed by the choices available.
On a brighter note, the game is expanding quickly, and I'm sure I heard they had just set on a third new ship artist, so in time, we may get more choices.
But might I suggest you hold on for a while, there is a new KDF ship coming that is supposed to be a new Negh'var. Perhaps that would fit your specifics?
Take a look at the evolution from Sovereign to Regent to Fleet Assault cruiser. The major change is that BOFFS change from Sov to Regent. Give me the boff layout of the regent on the hull of a Vor'cha retrofit and you'll have a good ship that people will buy.
It seems like Cryptic has no idea what type of a True Klingon inspired ship to create despite many KDF players telling them exactly what we are looking for in a new KDF vessel.
I would give my left Mevox for a True Full Klingon Designed Science Vessel.
Many have asked Cryptic to give the KDF a Raptor variant that would be the KDF answer to the Federation MVAM.
How about a new BOP with 5 Boff stations and a 5 and 2 or a 4 and 3 Weapon Layout?
It seems like Cryptic only has one Playbook when it comes to creating new KDF vessels and that book is titled Big Bulky Battle Cruisers.
Hell at this point I would settle for collaboration Vessel that draws on all the playable KDF races for it design and function.
I personally would like a True Science BOP
4 x 2 Weapons
Battle Cloak
Commander Science station
Universal Lt. Commander station
Lt. Tactical station
Lt. Engineering station
Universal Ensign
4 Science Consoles, 3 Engineering Consoles, 3 Tactical Consoles
With all the Science toys but could use all levels of the Target subsystems skills while cloaked.
Here are my thoughts on what a Klingon ship of that nature could look like:
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=429791
It's a very looong post so the short version is: take a Raptor (which was scout in canon anyway) take out the 4th fwd gun stuff the ship with electronics and buff the shields to cruiser levels. Done.:)
But I'd be happy with a Fleet retrofit of the QulDun that get the missing permutation and ends up with 4 science consoles at this point.
This could also boost sales of the Qaw'Dun refit sales...assuming Cryptic doesn't f**k up like they did with the B'rolth skin that only works on the regular T5 B'rel skin but remains unavaliable on the Fleet version of course.;)
You could argue there's really only 2 top tier ones, the Guramba and Bortasqu, if you consider the 2k zen vs 2,5k zen difference relevant. I feel there is a difference between the 2k and 2,5k ships for the Feds, tbh, but that might just be the newer ships being slightly more powerful than older ships-thing.
Not that you can afford to nitpick, if you're looking to buy KDF c-store ships :P
And of that 5, only TWO are actual Klingon ships. It'd be like ig 60% o9f the store T5 Fed ships were telalrite and saurian, not Starfleet designs. This isn't to say the others are not good ships, but it's off that the KDF (at the store level) is a command ship a BOP and a bunch of non KDF ships!
Actually, battlecruisers are bigger then heavy cruisers, Battlecruiser just means smaller then a battleship but bigger then a heavy cruiser, so technically, if you don't want to go with STO's labels, the Bortasqu is the most like a battle cruiser of any of the KDF ships, although technically I think it's a Dreadnought. Remember though, there isn't a huge leap from Brigadier General/Rear Admiral ships to Lieutenant General/Vice Admiral ships. They're designed to all be the same tier and all be viable at endgame, you aren't forced to upgrade to an LG ship.
They got your money now, so why should they bother releasing it. :P
Seriously though, Cryptic needs to stop jerking the KDF around. Selling a sub-par product and blaming the bad sales of said sub-par product is not an excuse to abandon an entire faction.
Release something of worth and it will sell.
Save your crappy ship for the FED, they'll buy anything..
Unfortunatley if you don't want the Bortasqu you need to get a Fleet ship for 4 modules or use a free battlecruiser.
Hopefully the Winter Event ship is decent... since they're intended to appeal to all factions maybe we'll see something useful for our KDF characters. Honestly, we get Event ships far more often than we get KDF ships, so that is something to look forward to I suppose.
I have that and the B'rel retrofit, and I have found that the B'rel was definitely NOT worth the money. I never use it anymore, because the most it can do in a fight in pvp, is make people angery. It can't seem to destroy ships at all. (and I know others will say , I just don't have it equipped right, and I don't doubt it, but not everyone knows how to equip their ships to the maximum result).
Having said that, I found that since I bought the Bortasqu Tactical ship, I have not used any other ship for my kdf side. It not only has fire power especially with it's large auto-cannon, yet it can take alot of hits and still be 'left standin'.
Also the bridge of it is quite cool looking, it's my favorite kdf bridge to be on.
Though alot of people say that moving the ship around in a fight is difficult, I don't find it so, yet that's cause I like to use Cruiser ships in all factions.
Great for exploration and surviving the exploration.
So, yeppers, the B'rel, complete and total waste of money, I regret buying that ship.
YET the Bortasqu TACTICAL ship, Definitely worth it!
There was a great review online bout it which made me decide to buy it a while back, I just don't remember which one it was, I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find though , it s a good 30 minute long review and the reviewer goes through everything really good.
if you still itch to buy the Brel, I suggest doing so AFTER you get the Bortasqu, so if you are dissappointed with the
Brel, you won't have to wait till you can afford the Bortasqu, you will already have it.
imo youre better off buying a ship merely for the console. my first option would be the vandal destroyer with its plasmonic leech console. you could then run the best console in the kdf on all your kdf toons. my second option would be the draguas support vessel with its aceton assimilator. aceton makes feddies cry pretty hard, and its a great counter to danoob spam, mines, trops, faw spam.
as for the actual kdf ships though? i think youre better off using what you have and getting a new console.
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Battlecruisers are bigger than Heavy Cruisers in RL.
But in 'Trek the Klingon D7 was a battlecruiser despite being a lot smaller than the Enterprise.
And the Klingons in Star Trek 3 called the Enterprise a "Federaton Battlecruiser" so it's actually more a case of different terminology between the two factions.;)
p.s.
Battlecruiser does not mean smaller than battleship, it means less heavily armored than battleship but with a much bigger engine.
Or as Adm. Fisher said it: "Speed is armor".
In fact there are battleship hulls that were converted to battlecruisers, have a look at the Renown-type battlecruisers. They were conversions of unfinished Revenge class battleships.
So.. I don't know what that means to Star Trek. What's in a name? Klingons are going to call anything with weapons a warship, no matter what anyone else calls it.
Klingons referred to the Enterprise in Star Trek 3 as a battlecruiser and Duras on "Enterprise" did as well. So it's probably just their way of naming it and simply different terminoloy. Perhaps it's their way of distinguinsihing it from "cruiser" in the sese of a "cruise ship"?;)
Darnit, where's a LIKE button when I need it?
Well, from an out-of universe perspective it's probably because the term "Klingon Battlecruiser" appeared the first time around in "The Trouble With Tribbles" and thus some 20 years before the Klingon languanage was properly established. So it probably stems from there somewhere.
From an in-universe perspective and going back as far a "Enterprise", it's probabaly because Klingon ships tend to be smaller than their Vulcan counterparts.
So some creative translator probably came up with this convention and the Federation stuck with it, possibly without actually understanding Klingon. Was most likely the same moron who said Klingons don't use escape pods came up with this designation.
Wouldn't be the first time such a mis-designation happens.
The Western Allies designated the German Panther as a heavy tank because...because...probably because it was bigger than the Sherman. The Germans called it a medium, used it as a medium and built it in numbers like a medium.;)
I did say I wanted a store ship heavier than a B'rel and lighter/more agile than a Bortas...
SOLD!
I just wish that the ships looks didn't make me want to barf. Only buying in the hope that if enough people buy, we'll get more ships in the future. At least it has nice stats.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
But again, saying it is "Good looking" or not is highly personal and subjective.
Not just yet... but soon. We got a sneak peek, but that doesn't mean it's final and the special console (if any) functions as they intended. Give it a couple weeks, one for the Dev Blogs, one for the actual ship.
Not that we want to wait, but at least the Stark words proved true (Q is obviously an avid reader), and we have the Winter Event.
It's no Tor'khat but is still a respectable cruiser for those who want a slightly more tactical bent than the Negh'var.