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majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
edited November 2013 in PvP Gameplay
I would like to start taking video recordings of PvP matches. However, I am not familiar with the current video recorder selection. Ideally, I am looking for a program that is not resource intensive and does not place watermarks on the video. Any advice on the topic would be appreciated.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Might want to drop a line to Thissler.
  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Might want to drop a line to Thissler.

    I figured this was close enough, he stalks the PvP forums like a hawk from what I've seen. By putting it here I also get a wide range of opinions to consider.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Wasn't there a PvP Video thread going at one point...? Hrmm...those guys could probably make recommendations as well.

    Oh, I will say one thing. Camera Shake warnings. It makes some folks ill.
  • ilhanskilhansk Member Posts: 620 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    This guy needs to step up here. I've learned a lot of premades tactics and builds just watching these videos.

    When I started playing PVP, I recorded matches for later analysis and for improving my game in a systematic manner, and then began to upload some of the videos so that my tutors could help me more efficiently by directly pointing out flaws and give advice and so on.

    Then, when our skills got more refined, we realized that other people interested in PVP could perhaps benefit from retracing our tactics, target calling, teamwork, piloting etc, so the channel went public.

    How to withstand even the strongest teams, it's all in there.

    The more people succeed in PVP, the better for the community as a whole, and everytime someone says he or she has learned or has picked up something from watching my videos, I felt honoured.

    I don't know if I come back to STO, but the channel will remain available, and since I still have a lot of unused recordings on my hard disc, I even may upload some more stuff on occasion.


    To the question of the OP:

    I have tried out different software, and I've achieved the best results with FRAPS (around 30 bucks).

    Advantage of FRAPS: Even recording 60fps 1080p footage won't slow down frame rate on a properly maintained computer. Your PC doesn't even need to be very fast, any quad core and a 100 euros graphics cards would be sufficient.

    Disadvantage: FRAPS is eating up hard disc space, especially when recording in high quality. A one hour video can take up to 100GB. So reserve enough free space. Or reduce video quality, up to you.

    Compress the videos afterwards. I personally use the MP4 format (100GB fraps AVI -> ~ 1GB MP4 -> almost no loss in video quality).

    Use Software that takes advantage of your graphics card for encoding, with CUDA/OpenCL encoding is very fast.

    For editing you can use Windows Movie Maker, or low-priced editing software like Cyberlink Powerdirector (which I use) or Magix Video. Cyberlink and Magix do have OpenCL support for fast encoding as well.
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  • drunkadmiraldrunkadmiral Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yes for recording best is FRAPS, my pc is old so i record with low video quality. For compress/editing i use Vegas Movie Studio, but some years ago i also used Windows Movie Maker.
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    FRAPs or Demo Record.

    FRAPS:

    PROS - easy to use.

    CONS - Clunky and limited control of camera.

    Demorecord:

    PROS extentive control of setting up camera pathing, angles, rotation, speed of camera, ability to filter out effects, and ability of add costumes etc.

    CONS: Difficult to master you you do not understand video editing and how to use "/demorecord [filename]" "/demorecord_stop" - I then use the STODemoLauncher.exe to edit the recording.

    Other really great tools are VirtualDub. What demorecord does is create screenshots to your screenshots folder at awesome resolution and detail depending on your grahpics. VirtualDub is used to bind them all into a .avi format for a movie. In essence you have total control over what parts you want to string together creating scenes in a movie.

    When you have saved all the small "segments" of the various scenes, you just need to start a Windows Movie Project Add your .avi files + music and presto! What I do is demorecord the sound files too, than using a sound editing program blend the sound into a piece of music.

    These are some of the angles you can achieve with Demorecord.

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    Demorecord kills FRAPS. FRAPS cannot achieve this ever.
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    What about masking/cropping something? Say I only wanted to show the buff bar and power levels?
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    What about masking/cropping something? Say I only wanted to show the buff bar and power levels?

    Unfortunately demorecord excludes the GUI intentionally in order to create cutscene quality film.

    FRAPS can render the GUI but as far as I'm aware its compiled at runtime with little editing possible.

    But I could be wrong.
  • drunkadmiraldrunkadmiral Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Demorecord kills FRAPS. FRAPS cannot achieve this ever.
    I not agree, they are different, you can use them both to make video, like i did here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q86yTPCymmA you make the demo, use demorecord to have diferent angles and capture the video with fraps. Also if i want to have in video power levels/skills/buffs the demorecord will not show it.
    What about masking/cropping something? Say I only wanted to show the buff bar and power levels?

    After recording the video with fraps
    in vegas movie is a Pan/Crop button
    http://i.imgur.com/8VunfP0.jpg

    or you can add a masking new track over the game video track
    http://i.imgur.com/FiBoG9V.jpg
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    After recording the video with fraps
    in vegas movie is a Pan/Crop button
    http://i.imgur.com/8VunfP0.jpg

    or you can add a masking new track over the game video track
    http://i.imgur.com/FiBoG9V.jpg

    Nifty, thanks.
  • drkfrontiersdrkfrontiers Member Posts: 2,477 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I not agree, they are different, you can use them both to make video, like i did here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q86yTPCymmA you make the demo, use demorecord to have diferent angles and capture the video with fraps. Also if i want to have in video power levels/skills/buffs the demorecord will not show it.



    After recording the video with fraps
    in vegas movie is a Pan/Crop button
    http://i.imgur.com/8VunfP0.jpg

    or you can add a masking new track over the game video track
    http://i.imgur.com/FiBoG9V.jpg

    I love being corrected. Thank you. Forgive this humble hick.

    Great video. Thanks!
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I recommend Open Broadcast Software. http://obsproject.com/
    It can record on a second hard drive, is free, and you can customize how it uses resources. It can stream to twitch if you like, or just record. I use it even in FPS and suffer no ill effects. It is open source, so no watermarks or hidden costs.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-L5zhhVuSc
  • thisslerthissler Member Posts: 2,055 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ilhansk wrote: »
    When I started playing PVP,

    He's goes on for a bit and it's allllll good!

    And really, I think most folks have this covered very well for you. I'm just going to go over some practices that I've developed for myself after sort of learning the hard way. So others may have mentioned these already, sorry!

    What he said. Pay for a copy of Fraps, it is around 30 bucks, and you won't be sad. Or SOME OTHER program. I've had good success with just fraps, but you can see from this thread there are other options. Purchase a reputable one if needed to bypass watermarks.

    There's an option in fraps to break the files up into smaller chunks. Do this. As mentioned they are otherwise HUGE and honestly, no PC or Editing software, or Human, ever ever ever wants to deal with a 289 Gig file. There's nothing quite like crashing your software because you were juggling so much video. After doing two hours of editing and forgetting to save. Or FAILING a save because...you crashed it by saving.

    And that's using windows movie maker. It is a decent basic program but for sure it does not like huge files. Nor does it like a huge amount of little files.

    It's free, it works, and it is a good place to start learning the process of video editing. This is all stuff you need to sort of have in your head BEFORE you even record anything.

    And damn I have to run, but I will post more later. Rest assured that the programs and advice so far has been very good. I'm going to have to look at some of those programs myself they look like fun! Of course, then I'll have to learn to use them...:eek:
  • xtremenoob1xtremenoob1 Member Posts: 489 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Mirillis Action is decent also. A little slower than FRAPS but you have compression options unlike FRAPS.

    virtualdub is a open source video app. It's a good way to quickly compress large files. I like to use H262 codecs. If you use virtualdub be sure to get the various codec packs available.

    You can also edit with virtualdub as well.


    Editing I like Camtasia and Hitfilms. They are a bit spending but for what they offer they are certainly worth the cost.
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  • shearstressshearstress Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I typically use Hypercam 2 or 3, it is a screen capture rather than a data capture (fraps) and does not lag, is free and you can find good versions with no watermarks. you also wont get the massive spit out of files that you get from fraps, videos depending on length will not be in the GB range and quality is high. For editing i use Sony Vegas pro, after effects and cinema 4d.

    Example of some of my work using these tools:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPer1GU3YwE
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  • nandospcnandospc Member Posts: 1,260 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    We use FRAPS, i think it's a good choice. Fast, easy to configure and use, good price.
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  • drunkadmiraldrunkadmiral Member Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    deokkent wrote: »
    Are those admirals TRIBBLE? We're facing the extinction of our federation ideals slaughtering our distant cousins over omega particles, and they're having a good time with some bump and grind??? Also, their dancing skills need some improvement.

    I won't rest until all of these lame admirals are all court martialed. :mad:

    /I'm bored, day 5 not being able to log in :(

    lol it was season 6 (fleet starbases) no romulans or omega particles :)
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