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zZz just saying, about mission rewards.
edgecrysger
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I've been playing for about 2 months now (yea im new) and i like the game. Wat i dont like is, sometimes its really frustrating to waste about 2-3 hours in a mission for only gather, for example 100 dilithium. Its just stupid. In normal circunstances, people that have a job, and dont spent 24 hours a day in front of the computer will play only about 2 hours a day, 3, 4 max. So, its really frustrating to spent the only 3 hours u have to complete just a mission that will provide you only with a ridiculous reward. I know this game is a long-end game, and needs a lot of time, but honestly i am starting to get really bored. Sometimes you just can only complete 1 mission in a day, something that , in my opinion, is really bad for people who have a life out of the game because those people will never be able to gather great resources for anything they want to buy if they dont waste years playing the game.
Buy new ships, buy new costumes, etc, all requires dilithium or zen (of course), but people like me will need to play for about 1 year to gather the resources to buy just a single ship. Think on it, and it makes me laugh and its making me to start playing less and less, to the point i eventually will stop playing cuz i dont have patience to spent 1+ year to gather the necessary resources to buy / adquire anything.
And this is because the rewards sometimes are just really a joke. Even the daily missions have a ridiculous rewards thing. Im really dissapointed because this game is clearly focused to people who will waste a lot of zen in the game, honestly i dont see other option to , for example gather the required dilithium to buy a new ship.
Or a fleet ship module... 7 millions of energy credits min??? seriously? lets say i need 4 ship modules. So i need to gather 24 millions of energy credits. LOL. That or i waste 2500 zens in 4 ship modules, meaning a really high quantity of money that i will of course not pay. People dont realize sometimes that , buying 2500 zen its just the basic subscription price, but people keep buying zen and they waste money and money, until the poing they could just buy the legacy pack and thats it xD.
What do you think guys?? Please, answer the people that plays only a few hours a day, not the ones that waste a lot of zen or stays 24h a day playing in front of the computer.:)
Also, zen prices are really abusive, and i think they are really a scam, but well, people buy it, so.
Buy new ships, buy new costumes, etc, all requires dilithium or zen (of course), but people like me will need to play for about 1 year to gather the resources to buy just a single ship. Think on it, and it makes me laugh and its making me to start playing less and less, to the point i eventually will stop playing cuz i dont have patience to spent 1+ year to gather the necessary resources to buy / adquire anything.
And this is because the rewards sometimes are just really a joke. Even the daily missions have a ridiculous rewards thing. Im really dissapointed because this game is clearly focused to people who will waste a lot of zen in the game, honestly i dont see other option to , for example gather the required dilithium to buy a new ship.
Or a fleet ship module... 7 millions of energy credits min??? seriously? lets say i need 4 ship modules. So i need to gather 24 millions of energy credits. LOL. That or i waste 2500 zens in 4 ship modules, meaning a really high quantity of money that i will of course not pay. People dont realize sometimes that , buying 2500 zen its just the basic subscription price, but people keep buying zen and they waste money and money, until the poing they could just buy the legacy pack and thats it xD.
What do you think guys?? Please, answer the people that plays only a few hours a day, not the ones that waste a lot of zen or stays 24h a day playing in front of the computer.:)
Also, zen prices are really abusive, and i think they are really a scam, but well, people buy it, so.
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You can mine, which takes ten minutes, and mine again if you have a fleet mine holding. Turning in contraband (free with doffing) nets you 1000 per five units. Space Infected Elite is quick and nets 1000 dil a pop. The Foundry spotlight drops tons of dilithium. The Sphere also comes with a lot of quick missions that drop dilithium.
But still, it is way too low dilithium quantity. Too low. The only few hours a day i have to play i need to waste it on the dilithium mine daily event and i barely have time to make other missions. But more than that, i dont have time, and this is because the missions take too much time to complete, and as i said, the rewards are ridiculous. Maybe for someone that will be playing this game for years the rewards are not so low, he needs just more patience, but for people like me, when you realize that you will need an entire life to gather a decent quantity of dilithium, you just start thinking on stop playing, because it makes no sense.
Because of course, i need always to waste a few of the dilithium i have to help my fleet and buy stuff. And i cant even do that, since i said, i dont have too much time and the dilithium quantity i gather everyday is just too low. And im talking about gathering dilithium to buy a ship, just a ship, imagine if i want other stuff. That will be just impossible. So, even if i love the game (i always loved star trek) im afraid at this rate it will be over for me on a few days.
But wat i dont understand is why people dont realize this. Its incredible how low are the rewards compared with the time you waste on some missions. Its just ridiculous.
The exploration daily mission takes me sometimes 2 - 3 hours, and sometimes i cant even finish it in the same day.
Im not worried about energy credits, the problem is the dilithium, that the fill rate is absurd and its clearly focused on players, as i said, that are planning to play for years the game or waste a lot of money in the game. :mad:
It does sound however, that the mission you are choosing are not the best dilithium sources. I don't want to tell you how to play, since you may enjoy that particular type of mission... so it would be better to advocate that whatever mission you are playing that takes 1-2 hours should be brought on par with time/reward metrics in place throughout the game. Instead of asking that Cryptic abandon its revenue stream.
IIRC the time/reward metric for EliteSTF's is 30mins = 960 Dil (I can't recall where I saw (it may not have been a dev btw) that the average eSTF took 30 minutes, and thats where they based the reward structure on.
So if your mission is 120 minutes for 100 Dil... then it definetly isnt in the same country as the Time/Reward metric we have come to expect.
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Any game should be oriented to all kind of players, not only the ones who are going to profit the company or the ones who dont have a life and spent 24 hours a day in fron of the computer (and probably they buy zen every day as well, they are rich people).
The problem nobody noticed this is because probably people that are in my situation just stop playing after the first month or sooner, and the only ones that have left are the ones described before.
Of course it is focused on players who plan to play for years or spend a lot of money... its a company... As i was saying. A company that has bills to pay in order to stay online.
You also have to realize that Cryptic has a large base of players to take into account... if they make it easier for you to fill your dilithium coffers in the couple hours you can invest... cosider how much the stand to lose once the serious farmers start doing it.
You have to remember this isn't a game designed around you alone, there are many many variables that have to be taken into account... and, unfortunately, the very first variable considered in business is profitability.
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Wat other missions should i pick???? the exploration mission is one of the missions that gives the more dilithium rewards (about 1000-1400) but still, as i said is not enough because sometimes thats the only mission i can finish. Lets say , i can gather around 3000 dilithium in 1-2 days and of course i cant buy or waste any dilithium on nothing. Make the maths.. Where i can pick the Breen missions??
And i know the game is free to play, but honestly that doesnt mean that ZEN prices should be a scam, but dont get me wrong, i love the zen system, wat i dont like is the prices. Really really expensive. As i said, a basic subscription cost the same as 2500 zen. And u cant do almost anything with 2500 zen... hahaha.
Well... my first suggestion would be to run STF's as opposed to Exploration missions. The reward (at the Elite level) is 960 Dilithium, with a decent team... its not uncommon to finish within 15 minutes.
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As i said, the problem is, the price of zen is extremly high.
Dude, im tired of playing online games , some of them free to play, i wasted about 2 years playing champions online 1 year ago paying the monthly subscription, but seriously, the prices of zen options are just a scam. There is no other word to put it. If people are willing to pay , good for them, but i tell you, they dont know wat are they doing.
Wat you dont realize as well, is wat is a fact is. But when everybody agree and a quantity enough of people buy zen every weeks, they just dont care. Every company acts more or less that way. I get it. But that doesnt mean that they are not scaming people. And they are, trust me. But if you dont realize this, maybe you are one of those players that cant see the facts.
heh. You get a good team in an estf and you'll be done in less than five minutes.. Of course, yo get a bad team and your gonna be in there a while and spend a lot of the time dead..
Yeah.. I know... but didn't want to give the OP the impression that its always quick. Especially if he is new to them.
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Dude..
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There is no PWE, there is no Sony, theres no one but us supporters, and we've raised 27 million so far ( in this past year ). The main game is completely financed at this point.. Right now we're financing extra's like public transit systems.. The mechanics are far more in depth, the ships incredibly detailed and functional, and the background stories well thought out and extremely well done.. Initially it isnt cheap. You have to make a pledge ( just like PBS)
STO is a good game for what it is, but its a standard run of the mill corporate driven underfunded game.
Bud, I have been trying to be helpful.
In your own comments here, you already recognize that there are people willing to pay these amounts... if noone were willing, then the prices would drop (because the stuff wouldn't sell).
A scam implies that they are not delivering what they promise... and sorry bud, I just don't see that. While I do not disagree that I think some of the prices are excessive, hence there are things I have not bought from the C-Store (Oddy Pack, Scim pack, ships I don't use, Costumes, Pets, services I don't need), because I don't feel they are worth the cost. Nobody is twisting your arm to buy anything.
Anyways... good luck.
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7 Alts doing one easy and fast thing that gives a good Dilithium reward every day is WAY more efficient than one Character spending hours trying to hit that 8000 mark.
Diagnosis: PEBCAK.
- Eta Eridani sector. Next to the Zibal system near drozana there is a freighter called the sh'mar, 480 dil for a 2-3minute mission. Then head to Alhena system for another 480 dil and deuterium burn consumables.
- rescue deferi captives - takes literally 30 seconds when you know the order of the text to choose. 480 dil
- ISE you get your usual 1100 dil I think plus BNP's if you get the jackpot of 11 thats another 2k dil if you turn them in.
- SB24 takes about 6-7minutes or less and thats another 480 dil
Of course always do the confiscate contraband DOFF assignment and hand them in at DS9 I think that gives 2k dilithium.
If you're in a fleet go to the mine holding and you can (if unlocked) do a DOFF mission to gather more ore which can be quite good.
It's VERY easy to get your 8k a day cap with only an hours play time, just a case of knowing how and the quickest ways of doing the missions which reward them.
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I am not trying to be a jerk but that is the dumbest thing I have read all week. Why would a company spend massive amounts of money to create a game for players who don't pay? I mean how do you think all the devs and staff at Cryptic pay rent or eat?
The episodes are the story of the game, they take maybe 20-30 min each by-design and give fine rewards. You don't need anything from the c-store to enjoy the game. You do need to appreciate that you are using it for free, something you are missing.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Dilithium
There is a considerable amount of ways to make dilithium there, and that doesn't even include the new Dyson Sphere missions. I do hope you find a way to make more and have fun.
(By the way I, like others, recommend running ESTFs for quick dilithium).
And thats the reason the companies keep abusing the consumers, with people like you. Even if they lowered the price of zens 50% they will keep gaining a lot of money from the players. A lot. Now, if you dont know how all this works, thats your problem. Not because nobody complains that means its all right.
"You dont need nothing from the c-store to enjoy the game". The first week of playing thats true. Then you realize that almost all the "good" ships or stuff you like can only be bought by zen or dilithium + zen, or ship modules (that can only be adquired by zen xDD or enormous quantities of energy credits in the exchange) or watever. And its really tedious to gather 100000 dilithium to buy a ship, and then waste another year to gather again 100.000 dilithium, thats an odissey, and as i said, people that plays several hours a day and not only 3 or 4 cant understand or see this.
I mainly do the Doff missions as much as I can. Buy what you don't have and a few extras. Specially the science ones. Those are quick and add up specially in different areas. Next I hit the asteroid to mine, and run the Deferia missions. You should have more time to do them after you do the story missions. Also hit the explore clusters. It takes a some time, but you can get up enough after a while. I bought lot of my gear, ships and other stuff with it. You just have to grind it out.
I don't do a lot of the dil/zen exchange mainly due to the prices are too high for now. A while back it did bottom out for a short while. So I bought a few C store items from that crash.
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^This. Also
Eta Eridani:
- Traelus Satellite Repair: 480 Dil for 5 minutes of your time.
- Alhenna System Defense Contract: 480 Dil and 3 Deuterium Surpluses for about 5 minutes.
Orellius block:
- Emancipation in addition to Free Captives. 480 Dil for around 5-10 minutes.
Tau Dew Sector Block:
Nimbus Dailies: There's 3 of them, the Contraband is 3 minutes of running in town to tag 5 crates, 480 dil. Creatures of the Desert.. shoot groups of 5 creatures for 3 minutes? Kill 40, get 960 Dil. Skip the Orion one, if you don't have time, but also just a group of 6 in the desert. 480 Dil
Do a Foundry mission for another 500, there's ones that take 5-10 minutes.
Finally start a turnover contraband for 2k for tomorrow. Done.
Also you always say it takes 2 hours to complete an exploration tour. If it takes that long for you, why don't you ask someone in the fleet to come along? More people -> less time, more fun. Plus he'll get 1440 Dil as well.
I know how this all works, the game was created for people who pay money to support it; its simple.
I have been playing since beta, first as a paid and now as a f2p. None of my toons have paid for a c-store ship. Granted they have given us several for free over the years like they are right now and I suspect they will again in Dec for the winter event. Oh and then I suspect there will be something for the 4th anniversary.
Lets see we had one of the best choices for a Tac with the gem ship free for the winter event, two nice cruisers via the last anniversary and now a carrier. Going back there was also the free Odyssey.
You can also pick up a mirror ship for 30-100k EC on the exchange, I expect even more with the new lock box giving them out.
i personally like infected space elite...potentially gives about 4k dilithium in a good run with a little loot luck.
in 2-3 hours you can parctically do 3 chars on rotation and fill the 8k dilithium refinement cap on each.