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dukedom01dukedom01 Member Posts: 462 Arc User
edited January 2014 in The Academy
Disclaimer: Sample size of 6,000 is too small for the probabilities.

2000 boxes opened with Romulan characters:
  • 10,872 lobi - 5.436 avg
  • 39x new console - 1.95%
  • 48x 10k cxp bonus - 2.40%
  • 82x 2k cxp bonus - 4.10%
  • 36x 100 fm bonus - 1.80%
  • 48x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.40%
  • 82x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.10%
  • 486x fleet support mini pack - 24.30%
  • 407x reinforcements mini pack - 20.35%
  • 83x prefered customer mining pack - 4.15%
  • 45x VIP customer mining pack - 2.25%
  • 146x voth duty officer - 7.30%
  • 14x ground trait profession specific - 0.70%
  • 33x space trait profession specific - 1.65%
  • 390x voth antiproton weapons - 19.50%
  • 54x mirror ha'feh - 2.70%
  • 7x voth cruiser - 0.35%

2000 boxes opened with Klingon characters:
  • 10,730 lobi - 5.365 avg
  • 34x new console - 1.70%
  • 42x 10k cxp bonus - 2.10%
  • 66x 2k cxp bonus - 3.30%
  • 29x 100 fm bonus - 1.45%
  • 53x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.65%
  • 83x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.15%
  • 506x fleet support mini pack - 25.30%
  • 458x reinforcements mini pack - 22.90%
  • 72x prefered customer mining pack - 3.60%
  • 38x VIP customer mining pack - 1.90%
  • 154x voth duty officer - 7.70%
  • 24x ground trait profession specific - 1.20%
  • 21x space trait profession specific - 1.05%
  • 356x voth antiproton weapons - 17.80%
  • 60x mirror vo'quv - 3.00%
  • 4x voth cruiser - 0.20%

2000 boxes opened with Federation characters:
  • 10,648 lobi - 5.324 avg
  • 35x new console - 1.75%
  • 30x 10k cxp bonus - 1.50%
  • 88x 2k cxp bonus - 4.40%
  • 45x 100 fm bonus - 2.25%
  • 53x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.65%
  • 77x 5k fleet credit bonus - 3.85%
  • 466x fleet support mini pack - 23.30%
  • 456x reinforcements mini pack - 22.80%
  • 61x prefered customer mining pack - 3.05%
  • 40x VIP customer mining pack - 2.00%
  • 129x voth duty officer - 6.45%
  • 26x ground trait profession specific - 1.30%
  • 15x space trait profession specific - 0.75%
  • 396x voth antiproton weapons - 19.80%
  • 38x mirror advanced escort - 1.90%
  • 36x mirror patrol escort - 1.80%
  • 9x voth cruiser - 0.45%

Totals:
  • 32,250 lobi - 5.375 avg
  • 108x new console - 1.80%
  • 120x 10k cxp bonus - 2.00%
  • 236x 2k cxp bonus - 3.93%
  • 110x 100 fm bonus - 1.83%
  • 154x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.57%
  • 242x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.03%
  • 1458x fleet support mini pack - 24.30%
  • 1321x reinforcements mini pack - 22.02%
  • 216x prefered customer mining pack - 3.60%
  • 123x VIP customer mining pack - 2.05%
  • 429x voth duty officer - 7.15%
  • 64x ground trait profession specific - 1.07%
  • 69x space trait profession specific - 1.15%
  • 1142x voth antiproton weapons - 19.03%
  • 188x mirror ships - 3.13%
  • 20x voth cruiser - 0.333%

Enjoy.



Given that this is a bit of work every time, you could tip me with mailing one master key to @dukedom if you like my statistics.
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Comments

  • majortiraomegamajortiraomega Member Posts: 2,214 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    dukedom01 wrote: »
    Given that this is a bit of work every time, you could tip me with mailing one master key to @dukedom if you like my statistics.
    You opened $6,000.00 worth worth in lockboxes, that is significant dedication. Thanks for listing the loot tables.
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  • aegon1iceaegon1ice Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Thank you for the parsing, but you've got to be joking with opening 6000 boxes:eek:
  • red01999red01999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    He probably didn't open 6000 boxes himself. He likely has people who are opening a few here, a few there, and a few people who are opening several hundred here and there, and is compiling the data along with whatever her personally collected.

    That said, this work is nevertheless excellent, especially considering the box has only been out for a few hours.
  • dukedom01dukedom01 Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I think I forgot to explain the modus operandi. The testing is done on tribble involving a 'couple' character copies with boxes and keys.
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  • oldkirkfanoldkirkfan Member Posts: 1,263 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    He does this for us, every time Cryptic puts out a new box.
  • dukedom01dukedom01 Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Well I 'only' started with the Tal Shiar box.
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  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    How do you do this?
    "I am a travelor of both time and space to be where I have been"
  • metalkorekingmetalkoreking Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    thankyou for doing this.
    i think everyone might have forgotten to say that.
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  • lilcesr20lilcesr20 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    don't you have anything better to do data, by the way you never finished what you started a few hours ago,, im still waiting,, so
  • fabinoudu73fabinoudu73 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Do remember when you did it for Tal shiar boxes, few of us were on DS9 seeing this guy getting a tal shiar destroyer every 20 seconds haha! Awesome job!
  • dukedom01dukedom01 Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    alan171717 wrote: »
    How do you do this?

    Put a couple master keys and lockboxes in the inventory of a character. Use the character copy to tribble. Use it again. And again. Don't stop yet. etc etc.
    Log onto Tribble. Open the boxes and add the results to a spreadsheet. Rinse & Repeat until you are at your target number of opened boxes.
    lilcesr20 wrote: »
    don't you have anything better to do data, by the way you never finished what you started a few hours ago,, im still waiting,, so

    wot?
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  • gavinrunebladegavinruneblade Member Posts: 3,893 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Cheers dukedom, thanks for doing this with the boxes!
  • longasclongasc Member Posts: 490
    edited November 2013
    Highly appreciated, as always!

    Can't help but the content of this box sells for little so far.
  • linkjoylinkjoy Member Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    dukedom01 wrote: »
    Disclaimer: Sample size of 6,000 is too small for the probabilities.

    2000 boxes opened with Romulan characters:
    • 10,872 lobi - 5.436 avg
    • 39x new console - 1.95%
    • 48x 10k cxp bonus - 2.40%
    • 82x 2k cxp bonus - 4.10%
    • 36x 100 fm bonus - 1.80%
    • 48x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.40%
    • 82x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.10%
    • 486x fleet support mini pack - 24.30%
    • 407x reinforcements mini pack - 20.35%
    • 83x prefered customer mining pack - 4.15%
    • 45x VIP customer mining pack - 2.25%
    • 146x voth duty officer - 7.30%
    • 14x ground trait profession specific - 0.70%
    • 33x space trait profession specific - 1.65%
    • 390x voth antiproton weapons - 19.50%
    • 54x mirror ha'feh - 2.70%
    • 7x voth cruiser - 0.35%

    2000 boxes opened with Klingon characters:
    • 10,730 lobi - 5.365 avg
    • 34x new console - 1.70%
    • 42x 10k cxp bonus - 2.10%
    • 66x 2k cxp bonus - 3.30%
    • 29x 100 fm bonus - 1.45%
    • 53x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.65%
    • 83x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.15%
    • 506x fleet support mini pack - 25.30%
    • 458x reinforcements mini pack - 22.90%
    • 72x prefered customer mining pack - 3.60%
    • 38x VIP customer mining pack - 1.90%
    • 154x voth duty officer - 7.70%
    • 24x ground trait profession specific - 1.20%
    • 21x space trait profession specific - 1.05%
    • 356x voth antiproton weapons - 17.80%
    • 60x mirror vo'quv - 3.00%
    • 4x voth cruiser - 0.20%

    2000 boxes opened with Klingon characters:
    • 10,730 lobi - 5.365 avg
    • 34x new console - 1.70%
    • 42x 10k cxp bonus - 2.10%
    • 66x 2k cxp bonus - 3.30%
    • 29x 100 fm bonus - 1.45%
    • 53x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.65%
    • 83x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.15%
    • 506x fleet support mini pack - 25.30%
    • 458x reinforcements mini pack - 22.90%
    • 72x prefered customer mining pack - 3.60%
    • 38x VIP customer mining pack - 1.90%
    • 154x voth duty officer - 7.70%
    • 24x ground trait profession specific - 1.20%
    • 21x space trait profession specific - 1.05%
    • 356x voth antiproton weapons - 17.80%
    • 60x mirror vo'quv - 3.00%
    • 4x voth cruiser - 0.20%

    2000 boxes opened with Federation characters:
    • 10,648 lobi - 5.324 avg
    • 35x new console - 1.75%
    • 30x 10k cxp bonus - 1.50%
    • 88x 2k cxp bonus - 4.40%
    • 45x 100 fm bonus - 2.25%
    • 53x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.65%
    • 77x 5k fleet credit bonus - 3.85%
    • 466x fleet support mini pack - 23.30%
    • 456x reinforcements mini pack - 22.80%
    • 61x prefered customer mining pack - 3.05%
    • 40x VIP customer mining pack - 2.00%
    • 129x voth duty officer - 6.45%
    • 26x ground trait profession specific - 1.30%
    • 15x space trait profession specific - 0.75%
    • 396x voth antiproton weapons - 19.80%
    • 38x mirror advanced escort - 1.90%
    • 36x mirror patrol escort - 1.80%
    • 9x voth cruiser - 0.45%

    Totals:
    • 32,250 lobi - 5.375 avg
    • 108x new console - 1.80%
    • 120x 10k cxp bonus - 2.00%
    • 236x 2k cxp bonus - 3.93%
    • 110x 100 fm bonus - 1.83%
    • 154x 25k fleet credit bonus - 2.57%
    • 242x 5k fleet credit bonus - 4.03%
    • 1458x fleet support mini pack - 24.30%
    • 1321x reinforcements mini pack - 22.02%
    • 216x prefered customer mining pack - 3.60%
    • 123x VIP customer mining pack - 2.05%
    • 429x voth duty officer - 7.15%
    • 64x ground trait profession specific - 1.07%
    • 69x space trait profession specific - 1.15%
    • 1142x voth antiproton weapons - 19.03%
    • 188x mirror ships - 3.13%
    • 20x voth cruiser - 0.333%

    Enjoy.



    Given that this is a bit of work every time, you could tip me with mailing one master key to @dukedom if you like my statistics.

    The lobi payout with all those boxes you opened is an INSULT. To how much money people have to spend.

    Wow Cryptic.
  • yreodredyreodred Member Posts: 3,527 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    To OP, your work is much appreciated.

    I can only imagine how much work you put in to get these results, you got my respect sir.
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    (also applies to Star Trek in general)
  • jessiecoltjessiecolt Member Posts: 80 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Kudos and thank you for your dedication with working the numbers for the player base.
  • vengefuldjinnvengefuldjinn Member Posts: 1,514 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Cheers dukedom, thanks for doing this with the boxes!

    Yes !
    I Thank you very much !
    This information is very enlightening to those seeking the truth about these boxes.
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  • grendelthewise#0990 grendelthewise Member Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I would have stopped at 20 boxes. You are definitely dedicated to your STO game.
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  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    So...to be clear...they NERFED the droprate of the ships from .5 to roughly .33?

    Seriously?
  • solemkofsolemkof Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    So...to be clear...they NERFED the droprate of the ships from .5 to roughly .33?

    Seriously?
    It was further down at .18 in the Elachi lockbox sample.
  • f9thaceshighf9thaceshigh Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    you've got klingons listed twice.

    That's awesome work, some of those numbers were pretty surprising.
  • badname834854badname834854 Member Posts: 1,186 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm simply surprised more people haven't cried FOUL at this. Perhaps I missed the thread...
  • no09dysonsphereno09dysonsphere Member Posts: 408 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I'm simply surprised more people haven't cried FOUL at this. Perhaps I missed the thread...

    Did you not read the disclaimer? The sample size is too small to definitively say what the drop rates for the ships are, even with 6000 boxes the changes in drop rates we're observing may just be due to chance.
  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    And this is the reason why I continue to have noting to do with the scam boxes. Thanks for solidifying my resolve :D
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  • dukedom01dukedom01 Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    you've got klingons listed twice.

    That's awesome work, some of those numbers were pretty surprising.

    Fixed that. I didn't even notice until you said so. :p
    Did you not read the disclaimer? The sample size is too small to definitively say what the drop rates for the ships are, even with 6000 boxes the changes in drop rates we're observing may just be due to chance.

    That.
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  • matchstick606matchstick606 Member Posts: 233 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    So...to be clear...they NERFED the droprate of the ships from .5 to roughly .33?

    Seriously?

    just wait till the next lockbox, If the op does a test of that i wouldn't be surprised to see the drop rate fall to .01 for the new ship. soon its going to be like winning the lottery with a 1/1,000,000 odds for a ship drop.
  • dukedom01dukedom01 Member Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Lets assume my observations are valid and droprates really took a hit with the elachi and following boxes.

    At this point I am not even sure if the lowered droprate is an intentional change.
    Which would be really really bad. Because that implies something would be broken inside the RNG. And that is probably the worst thing which could be wrong.

    However I have no frakking clue why my numbers started to deviate from the expected 0.5%. I still have the one or other idea I have not tried out yet, but given that it would involve a 'lot' more box opening on tribble than just 6,000 I am not quiet ready for that particular wild goose chase.
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  • alan171717alan171717 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Hey, given how a new lockbox is coming out soon, would you like some help this time? We can cooperate, and pile the data up faster :)
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  • amincielbleuamincielbleu Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dukedom01 wrote: »
    Lets assume my observations are valid and droprates really took a hit with the elachi and following boxes.
    [...]
    However I have no frakking clue why my numbers started to deviate from the expected 0.5%. I still have the one or other idea I have not tried out yet, but given that it would involve a 'lot' more box opening on tribble than just 6,000 I am not quiet ready for that particular wild goose chase.

    Actually things are not so bad on the statistical side, if we settle for reasonable ambitions.

    If the drop rate of a ship is really 0.05%, the probability of observing a sample of 6000 boxes with only 20 ships or less is equal to 3.5% (or my spreasheet is misconceived, which is always a possibility). So either you were (seriously) unlucky, or the drop rate is really below 0.5% now. That looks quite conclusive to me.

    The trouble is, I don't know which confidence interval was attached to the initial estimation of 0.5%, though. Maybe the drop rate was never really 0.5% and the initial testers were "just a bit" lucky. As you said, a really big sample is needed for the accurate estimation of such a small probability. But a sample of 6000 is sufficient to detect deviations from a perfect initial estimate (the theoretical value of 0.5% was shamelessly considered as a constant in my computation).
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