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azurianstar
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I want to get people's input.
We all know famously that the Bird of Prey and the Intrepid are ships that can land on surfaces of worlds and fly in their atmospheres, the Defiant and Nova classes were said to have a landing capability as well). Even the NX and the Consitution could fly in atmospheres (people might think of JJ Trek, but the original Enterprise did it as well in TOS). So why are we buying these abilities when Starfleet Officers already should be skilled at such a thing?
And if the Dev Team want us to learn it, why have it as a Fleet Holding? Why not make it a new DOFF that increases your performance? Or why not add it to the Dyson Reputation system, so that everyone who plays can get access without feeling like they are penalized for not being in fleets or their fleets not rich enough to unlock this ability?
There are small fleets who have stalled that won't be able even able to have access to the new fleet holding. (The KDF side's Fleet Mark Queues are dead, so some fleets won't be able to even earn Fleet Marks).
So please Devs, move it to the Reputation system and not penalize players.
We all know famously that the Bird of Prey and the Intrepid are ships that can land on surfaces of worlds and fly in their atmospheres, the Defiant and Nova classes were said to have a landing capability as well). Even the NX and the Consitution could fly in atmospheres (people might think of JJ Trek, but the original Enterprise did it as well in TOS). So why are we buying these abilities when Starfleet Officers already should be skilled at such a thing?
And if the Dev Team want us to learn it, why have it as a Fleet Holding? Why not make it a new DOFF that increases your performance? Or why not add it to the Dyson Reputation system, so that everyone who plays can get access without feeling like they are penalized for not being in fleets or their fleets not rich enough to unlock this ability?
There are small fleets who have stalled that won't be able even able to have access to the new fleet holding. (The KDF side's Fleet Mark Queues are dead, so some fleets won't be able to even earn Fleet Marks).
So please Devs, move it to the Reputation system and not penalize players.
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Now, tying it to fleet progression I would agree seems a little unfair for members of smaller fleets. With any luck, it'll be like a lot of fleet things and be a purchasable item, so friendly larger fleets can do invites and let others get it that way.
Dyson's sphere technically shouldn't have a thicker atmosphere than the Earth's.
And yes trained in is the same as skilled at, since they have to be knowledgeable to fly shuttlecraft in atmospheres. Where even Starfleet officers who never was trained in the Conn position has to fly in them as well.
Personally, as a member of a small fleet, I'm tried of begging to get invites just to get content.
And it ultimately defeats the purpose of progressing if you depend on other fleets who do all the work.
It's not the thickness of the atmosphere, it's the volume. On Earth we have jet-streams that can significantly affect how fast planes fly. Can you imagine the wind patterns that would develop with a surface area of 550 million Earths?
As for shuttles, a valid point. But comparing a shuttle to something like a Scimitar is like comparing a Mini to a Challenger tank or a big rig; the basic principle is the same, but the mechanics are entirely different. And I'm guessing most Starfleet officers just set the shuttle's autopilot. Even Tom Paris (who was acknowledged as a superior pilot) was nervous about taking Voyager into atmosphere.
I'm in complete agreement with you here. I wish Cryptic could find some un-game-able way to reduce requirements for small fleets, or otherwise front-load the benefits.
Not using quadratic or exponential costs would be a start.
But volume in atmospheres are not uniform. The density increases depending on altitude. And given the massive size of a Dyson Sphere, it's doubtful it would have the same thickness as the Earth.
And winds on Earth is caused due to seasonal variations due to the pitch of the planetary axis along with the Coriolis effect that is due to the spinning of the planet. Given the fictional nature of a Dyson Sphere, this isn't possible due to the uniform distribution of the sun. So there would be some kind of artificial means to create it.
Then as I said above, it would be closer to the surface than 1 or 2 km above the surface. Where Starships would be operating.
True and not true.
There hardly is any basic difference between flying a Piper Cub and flying a B-52 Stratofortress or a 747-400. The principle of flying an aircraft is all the same, it's just the operations of the different aircraft is what sets them apart. So flying a shuttle would be the same as piloting a starship. (Hell, they let Wesley Crusher fly the Enterprise-D for cry'n out loud and he really wasn't really trained!) :P
Furthemore, we are talking about Advanced starships that have computer assist that goes far beyond current era Fly-By-Wire and Autopilot technology (and modern airliners can fly by themselves without pilot input). So having an atmospheric skill makes even less sense.
But there will also be the different energy absorption and release rates of the seas. Even with an artificial day-night cycle, that would be a small effect, but this thing has likely been around long enough for some patterns to build up.
They also let Deanna Troi - a Commander in Starfleet - fly the ship, and look how that ended! :P
Basically, this!
True, but you're not accounting for the entire surface area of the Dyson Sphere. It's doubtful it would be that thick due to distribution.
Again at the surface, not thousands of kilometers above, where the Starships would be.
Well, on her behalf the first time she crashed, it was something she didn't see. And the second time, well the saucer was basically blown out of control. :P
This doesn't look like thousands of kilometers, unless those buildings are waaaay larger than they look.
EDIT: Found out that the Atmospheric flight buff is a waste of time, so when this goes live, nobody needs to waste their fleet credits.