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S8- Delay to Make Ground Playable?
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4 easy fixes to make ground playable.
1-less clutter in the text. none of it is useful or memorable. an easy rule is if its not worth paying someone to voice it over, its not worth trying to make me read it. its never worth reading anyway.
2-remove auto-aim from battlecam mode on ground, and let me shoot the gun like a fps, as in, make it like a trigger.
3-make the AI do something more than herping and derping. you shoudlnt be using the foundry to make levels cuz the foundry is an extremely limited and unprofessional tool. You cant even make bad guys go somewhere.
4-stop making me go places and press f and calling that a season. seriously guys- that's not something you find anywhere else because its a lazy substitute for gameplay. its a time waster.
every game review on the net says ground sucks. you have a shot with s8 to change that and make this game last more than 6 months to a year. you either want this job or you don't, and like any job in games, the QUALITY of the gameplay will keep it alive.
people still play BOTF. why? graphics sucked, but the gameplay is 2nd to none, which is why ST SUPREMACY (botf2) is being developed by fans. that will NEVER happen with thsi game.
All this FANTASTIC art in ground is 100% waste it's essentially lipstick on a pig. gameplay on ground looks good, plays ...well, it doesnt play at all. its all press tab or f and thats it.
4 easy fixes to make ground playable.
1-less clutter in the text. none of it is useful or memorable. an easy rule is if its not worth paying someone to voice it over, its not worth trying to make me read it. its never worth reading anyway.
2-remove auto-aim from battlecam mode on ground, and let me shoot the gun like a fps, as in, make it like a trigger.
3-make the AI do something more than herping and derping. you shoudlnt be using the foundry to make levels cuz the foundry is an extremely limited and unprofessional tool. You cant even make bad guys go somewhere.
4-stop making me go places and press f and calling that a season. seriously guys- that's not something you find anywhere else because its a lazy substitute for gameplay. its a time waster.
every game review on the net says ground sucks. you have a shot with s8 to change that and make this game last more than 6 months to a year. you either want this job or you don't, and like any job in games, the QUALITY of the gameplay will keep it alive.
people still play BOTF. why? graphics sucked, but the gameplay is 2nd to none, which is why ST SUPREMACY (botf2) is being developed by fans. that will NEVER happen with thsi game.
All this FANTASTIC art in ground is 100% waste it's essentially lipstick on a pig. gameplay on ground looks good, plays ...well, it doesnt play at all. its all press tab or f and thats it.
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I'd add:
- instant use of powers, remove the lag and activation time.
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- fix the Boff AI at least to the point at which they won't get stuck every 5 metres and move out of patches of fire/plasma on the ground or out of the cone of a Breen weapon charging up...
The rest is merely opinion, not fact (as you seem to be presenting)
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
hell yes. 10000%
youve read no reviews cuz if u did youd know they address aspects that are still alive in the game.
right off the bat youre letting me know you dont know what youre talking about.
But you're wrong, because you say ground combat is bad as though it's a fact. It's not; some people like ground combat as it is now, including me. Is it the best? No, but it's not bad either
And I have read the reviews myself. I think they no longer apply because they're just not true anymore
Also, learn to multi-reply: a different post for every reply is a waste of posts
Been playing STO since Open Beta, and have never regarded anything as worse than 'meh', if only due to personal standards.
Having an action key makes it pretty much like every game ever. Action key events are an easy way to organize event flags so that they can structure missions like actual episodes of the show.
As for those other games and what they do, well . . . .
. . . I'm not sure it'd work in a Star Trek game.
I hope that's a joke...
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And what the above poster said .
I can still move.
I can still fight.
I will never give up!
Fact: Nothing is wrong with ground combat. It works just fine.
Summary: Because a player cannot seem to get ground combat to work with the build/skills they used and the tactics that choose to use does not make the game at fault.
Have you tried pressing B? If you press B on ground, you will go into a FPS-like mode. I'm pretty sure that there's no auto-aim, but its been a while so I'm not sure.
Edit: Wow, looks like I was ninja'd by like an hour. I guess that's what I get for not reading through all the comments before posting.
Support 90 degree arc limitation on BFaW! Save our ships from looking like flying disco balls of dumb!
That is not a fact it is an opinion.
I would also say ground suffers a fair bit but not for the text or activation button things.
The reasons I generally do not like ground are as follows:
I could probably go on... but I will leave it there for now.
I disagree - if you hit "Call for help" next to respawn button, they do come revive you.. takes some time at times, but it works.
Generally, ground feels way too simple, compared to space, which seems much more catchy, enjoyable and slightly more challenging. I personally wouldn't mind the FPS approach someone mentioned here, as long as it'd not eliminate good ol' melee, which I personally find amusing and do it all the time, just for the kicks. (pun intended)
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He was saying BOFFs reviving other BOFFS, not BOFFS reviving the player.
But yes, Ground does need more improvement. But compared to the original STO Ground combat, it's far superior. But it's not yet at a level where you would call fun, like with TOR.
just cause you've been here since beta (like I have been) doesn't mean you have read reviews, or know what you are talking about.. stating you have been here since the get go gets you no traction on knowing what your talking about..
that being said, the reviews for this game have gotten better since launch.. however, ground combat is "still" a point that gets harped on in most of the more "recent" reviews I have read..
being that I have been here since launch, ground combat has sucked since day one, and continues to suck going into the games 4th year.... giving ground combat an over the shoulder view didn't make it anybetter..
on to the ops post.. I fully agree with point number 4, the others are kinda opinion generated.. some people like the kibble in the story text.. but having me beam down, and press f five times is not content..
getting back to ground combat, I have been associated in multiple guilds, and while trying to put runs together with my guild, ground was a very very rare thing to happen, as pretty much everyone avoids it.. the controls are sluggish (ie, when I hit to use a hypo, its kind of like the game decides weather or not it wants to do it in a timely manner.).. Ill hit abilities, and they take forever to do their thing.. infact, when I am forced to do ground, I generally ignore all of my abilities, and just use my weapons abilities soley,
True.
But it's more reasonable to say that they should delay launch until they get rid of the bugs that testers reported, than launch with them and even years later, still yet to fix them. :rolleyes:
the answer isn't to stop content, its time for cryptic/pwe to either invest in the future of this game (spend some money and hire another 50/60 peeps (at least 15-20 of those being game maintenance/bug crushers). or just come clean and say you cant afford them, and that we should get used to bugs and what not (not that we already are not used to them, they have been a part of everyones daily life in sto since launch. I honestly cannot think of a time when this game was fairly bug free)..
true story, lets look at the picture here
the sto team is not only small, it is pathetically small.
then you mix in more than a normal amount of bugs for "any" kind of content being released..
then, you look at the fact that they fix bugs much slower than they make content..
the end result is the pile of sh*t keeps getting bigger and bigger.. every single time they release something, they increase the number of shovels they need to get rid of the pile, but they don't do it..
that being said, they do fix bugs, im not trying to say they don't fix anything, but they don't keep up with the ever growing list.. not saying I don't like Brandon.. but pwe should have sent code monkeys to cryptic not a community rep.. lol..
Umm... I did my homework and did read his post.. quoting exactly the part again, with emphasis on the part you apparently missed.
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if they revive you or not.. the point is, the system is not working well.. yes, sometimes when I click help, they are johnny on the spot.. other times they seem to ignore me..
to go into more detail.. I have had fights where the boffs ignore me because they are in combat.. (this is ok, cause id rather have them survive and finish the fight them wipe the whole thing..
other times, they will dive into aoe (usually that killed me lol) and die trying to rez me..
and still more other times lol, ill finish the fight but have a dot that kills me, and they all stand there and pick their noses.. even though ive asked for help, and they are not in combat..
the system is a little like swiss cheese.. full of holes...
so you are both right and wrong.. yes, they do help some peeps, and not others.. depends on the fight. depends on your luck...
And he was wrong that you do get revived by BOFFs during battle. But they will revive other BOFFs during a battle as long as they aren't attacked.
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
Ever since they got bought by PWI, they been nothing but bragging how their team is larger and they can do more content. Where in the Atari days they were putting out content and actually fixing those bugs with less than 30 people. Don't this is a bunch of baloney that you are trying to say on their behalf.
And unless you've been living under a rock for the past few months, people been practically been begging Cryptic to fix bugs! Mine Trap, the Fleet Events, fleet content bugs, tons of bugs on the KDF Side. So we are to still pretend to look the other way when they add more bugs? That's not how you run a business.
2. If you don't like RPG mode, consider pressing the B key to use shooter mode. Shooter is quite viable in PvE, commands on the hotbar can be reached via ingame keybinds.
3. The AI could use some improvement, but it could be worse.
4. Again, many of the new missions are more than just spamming the F key. The game uses F for interactions in many areas, but after using F the contact requires player input.
That "lag" is an integral piece of balance in the ground game. Every action in ground combat takes a certain amount of time to execute, which is realistic to the real world. Such mechanics also exist in other games, every action takes a set amount of time to execute, without such timers the balance would be a disaster. Here's a hint, don't use
--->Ground Combat General Bugs Directory
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ummm the point I was putting across is that there is no excuse.. that 4 years into the game, they need to sh*t or get off the pot..
I was in no way defending them.. (and here I was afraid that peeps were gonna flame me for calling doom or something lol)...
yeah, I was agreeing with you, and adding to it.. no excuse for the lack of bug fixes, and the slow content roll outs.. (sure, we get updates more often than other games.. but the amount and quality of content is much much lower than other games.. )..
oh azure, your so silly, I love it.. hahaha..
I'm sure that nonsense was implemented with LoR or a prior/subsequent patch. I seem to remember that ground power activation wasn't always like that.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
While i think the delay should be removed, at least on hypos, and shield charges, cause by te time its necessary to use one to make it worth using, you are very low before you hit the button, hit the button USE THE ITEM, and die. Romving the item and putting it on a CD.
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