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Like the title says, is it worth getting the Regent for the 180 degree torp? Does it put out the same damage as a purp XII quantum or more? Or should I just get an Avenger.
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Hope that helps.
(UFP) Ragnar
Because, no matter what ship you use, you can use the launcher ... including the Avenger.
So get both
Both isnt an option right now....But how well does the torp stack up against the OMEGA torp or the Avengers VATA console.
Sorry for the noob like questions, I want to get as much info as possible before I buy a ship.
It depends on your playstyle. I don't have the Avenger so I don't have an opinion on the VATA console yet. The OMEGA torpedo from the Rep system is nice but I find that it's better for escorts (or escort-like ships). I would go in full speed, hit High Yield, and then drop the OMEGA torpedo like I'm a dive bomber on my target.
So really, it depends which trick will enhance the way you play. I should also mention that the 180 degree arc makes a very nice Torp Spread since the arc is wider.
Don't sweat the questions. We were all at your position at one time or the other and were wondering similar things.
(UFP) Ragnar
I still use a Breen on my support cruiser. You gotta think about this stuff. The wide-angle can be fired every 8 seconds which gives it about the same DPS as the Breen that has 30 second cooldown (3.75 WAQT in 30 seconds = 3.75*3.1k=11.625 DPS), and the real difference between them is that the Breen will spike all of the damage at once while the WAQT has to be chain-fired to do the same damage. On the other hand, the WAQT can use high-yield and torp-spread (if you have the BOFF slots), whereas the Breen cant. You can get some pretty good spike HY3 and/or TS3 with the WAQT.
The reason(s) I use the Breen on my Ambassador is that I dont have the BOFF slots for torp modifiers, and I have buffed the ship so it turns really fast which makes it easier to use the Breen. But my FACR doesnt have the buffs and it does have room for a high-yield, so that is what I use.
Overall its a good torp, easier to use more often, less spike than a Breen.
ps: http://sto.gamepedia.com/Wide_Angle_Quantum_Torpedo_Launcher says 3082.5 kinetic damage (unmodified, on the ground)
Well there was a guy nice enough to link it in chat for me and I find it weird that it does just a tad bit more damage than my current green quantum mk X crtD....is that because of the wide firing arc?
Ahh okay that makes sense now.
yes, they really do significantly less dmg than the 90 degree counterpart...but for less agile cruisers and primarely broadsideing cruisers that is ok.
so if you are determined to use torpedos on a broadside cruiser, those are the best choice.
However, on that type of ship torpedos in general are not the optimal choice.
And hell yeah it looks awesome, beams going everywhere, streams of smoke from the MRLS, and spreads of Q-torps.
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I can agree with this. The Regent class is a fine ship, both in terms of looks and performance.
Your being very smart getting as much information as possible there are no refunds if your unhappy with your purchase.
The Avengers VATA Console has a very high spike, combined with a long cooldown. This results in low DPS.
But you do get to fire it every 2 mins. If your considering a Dual Heavy Cannon Cruiser the Avenger is your only choice Fed side with out expensive Lockbox/Lobi ships.
The Regent with it's WAQT torpedo is one of the best beam boats available but the console it comes with is garbage.
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It has its uses. You can use it to slow Raptors or Negh'Var's that are heading for the Kang on The Cure Found (Elite) or to slow Nanite Borg Spheres heading to repair generator.
That is brilliant. I may have to give atmosphere assault another go with that added to my set up.
I personally feel the Avenger has a bit more flexibility than the Regent.
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Good choice, far more flexible and superior tac and eng set up overall. The Regent is fine, don't get me wrong, but it isn't worth getting just for the WAQT over the Avenger.
But if he does buy it with zen, it unlocks account wide so he can use it on any Federation character at no additional cost. It also makes buying the Fleet Refit cheaper at one ship module. These points are often overlooked.
Cool. I wish you the best of luck and pleasant flying with your Avenger!
(UFP) Ragnar
Your point is valid but it's not really a "But" more of an "Additionally", despite the fact you can use a ship on multiple character if you buy a ship you hate your still stuck with it.
And I'd totally buy the C-Store Avenger & Regent because I have multiple characters who could use them and save myself a fortune on FSMs.
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That question can not be answered.
Do you use Escorts? Cruisers? Sci Ships? How did you assign your Captains skills? What type of Gameplay do you like?
The Avenger, Regent and Excelsior are the Best Fed Cruisers.
The Defiant, Armitage are the best Escorts with honourable mention going to the Patrol and the Fleet Advanced Escort or the C-Store Advanced Escort.
The Vesta 3 Pack is the best Science Vessel.
Romulans have a variety of incredible Tactical Options and the Klingons have some decent (although recently outclassed by the Avenger) Battle Cruisers. They also have the best off the shelf Carrier in the Vo'Quv.
I could go into the Pros and Cons of the Lobi/Lockbox ships but frankly it's all subjective.
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KCB > Torpedos
Torpedoes are really really bad versus shields and are unreliable damage dealers. In, general they have long reload and travel times. If you're a torpedo user I'm sure you'll run into times where your target blows up before your last torpedo volley hits it. As a result, you've lost DPS because not only did your torpedoes not hit, but you also have to factor in those above time delays.
The KCB applies damage instantly. Granted it can be pretty devastating when a TS 2 or 3 detonates on a bunch of grouped up targets with their shields down; but that scenario isn't common enough to warrant equipping torpedoes.
Ok... so it's not an Avenger.... but it still kicks TRIBBLE with the best of them...
if you want an overbuilt nimble cruiser that fights and moves like an escort.. buy the Avenger.. if you want a beam boat that can slug it out with the Borg and shrug off nearly everything... get the Regent.
KCB is worse against shield than torpedos, so you would rather not have better shield damage and good hull damage vs really bad shield damage vs really good hull damage?
Both torpedoes and the kcb do kinetic damage. As such their damage is reduced by 75% vs shields.
They are equally bad against shields. However, once those shields are down the kinetic dmg from the kcb is instantly applied to the hull whereas you have to wait for the reload cycle and travel time of torpedoes. In PvP this is huge because tactical team has a shirt cd and players are manually redistributing shields. In PvE this can be huge because in the length of time that your target is alive the torpedo may never reach it. Especially when tabbing between targets.
I'm not saying torpedoes are totally useless. Using FAW or CSV to down multiple mobs shields and firing a healthy TS 2 or 3 and watching everything blow up is satisfying. But those occasions aren't common enough to justify their use.
This is just my opinion. In the end the difference between torps and the kcb in PvE isn't huge. If you don't care about min/max and prefer to have a torp launcher, by all means equip it. It'll do fine.
It's the Borg kinetic cutting beam.