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So why is it only boff's get superior traits?

shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
And not your actual captain, I mean they are simply boff's and you are the actual PC captain and all you get is common traits that are no better than a un-common or rare boff gets! The captain traits should be just as good as any VR superior trait considering we have to invest in training for the idiots. It's not like if we had superior traits as captains that we still wouldn't want VR boff's, so what's the reason for making us pick from a list of traits that are no better than a simple boff gets?
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  • gthaatargthaatar Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Evil idea #5619: Make a lockbox reward that will upgrade any one trait to a superior version.

    Eviler Idea #5620: Allow it to be used as many times as necessary to upgrade all of your traits.
  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    gthaatar wrote: »
    Evil idea #5619: Make a lockbox reward that will upgrade any one trait to a superior version.

    Eviler Idea #5620: Allow it to be used as many times as necessary to upgrade all of your traits.

    Ok yes I hate the fact that new traits seem to come from only lockboxes, but if that is what we must go thru to get them so be it. But at least include superior traits that are already in game now as well! :mad:
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Look at it this way:

    Your BOffs only get 4 abilities. And their traits. Therefore they need the superior traits to make them still able to deal it out.

    Your Captain has more than twice the abilities, the ability to change out it's kits, two weapons, and the ability to fire much faster (yes, you shoot a hell of a lot faster than your BOffs). Also your captain knows how to take cover and also choose targets more intelligently.

    Sufficed to say, your captain is always superior, regardless of traits. Also, your captain gets twice as many traits AND it's racial trait.
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  • sardizasardiza Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    AFAIK: captains/players get the "superior" stats of any trait skill that has a BOFF analouge.
  • mosul33mosul33 Member Posts: 836 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    And not your actual captain, I mean they are simply boff's and you are the actual PC captain and all you get is common traits that are no better than a un-common or rare boff gets! The captain traits should be just as good as any VR superior trait considering we have to invest in training for the idiots. It's not like if we had superior traits as captains that we still wouldn't want VR boff's, so what's the reason for making us pick from a list of traits that are no better than a simple boff gets?

    I do see your point, and I think once there was a plan for this, if we look at Eficient Captain and Eficient boff traits, where the captain's version is way better the the boff one, but probably was abandoned becouse were too OP, who knows.

    Now with LoR we got some alternatives, wich act as allmost as a superior trait. For exemple tac captains can only get lucky, not superior lucky, but now Strike Team Specialists trait acts allmost as a Superior Lucky trait.

    But there are also some boff traits that are way inferior to captain's ones, or even dont have any corespondent. It comes in mind the Elusive trait, wich captains get 10% defence, yet a boff can only get 2,5% defence, and Acurrate trait, wich no boffs has it so far.
  • smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I think the question should be re-worded:

    Why is it only RRW Boffs get Superior Traits worth having?
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited October 2013
    Speaking of which why is it that the embassy rare female romulans get normal operative but the males get superior operative. Tad sexist there don't you think?

    It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
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  • carasucia83carasucia83 Member Posts: 568 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bpharma wrote: »
    Speaking of which why is it that the embassy rare female romulans get normal operative but the males get superior operative. Tad sexist there don't you think?

    I think they wanted to encourage more folks to have males in their bridge crew :D

    Would there be so much hate for Tovan if he were female I wonder.....
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited October 2013
    I think there would be less hate for him if you could drown him in a vat of acid....I mean dismiss him freeing up a place on your roster for a superior romulan operative boff.

    I guess but then some people want that fantasy, others don't but the choice should be there and certainly not make one sex inferior to the other, that is sexism no matter how you dress it up.

    It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
    A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.

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  • carasucia83carasucia83 Member Posts: 568 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I think the question should be re-worded:

    Why is it only RRW Boffs get Superior Traits worth having?

    Right. If we're going to continue with the 'I win' flavour of the month way of things, then I'm all for us being flooded with a multitude of OP stuff. That way we please the 'I win' seekers and we have the added bonus of there being some semblance of balance.
    bpharma wrote: »
    I think there would be less hate for him if you could drown him in a vat of acid....I mean dismiss him freeing up a place on your roster for a superior romulan operative boff.

    I guess but then some people want that fantasy, others don't but the choice should be there and certainly not make one sex inferior to the other, that is sexism no matter how you dress it up.

    I'll get the vat if you supply the acid...
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  • shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Look at it this way:

    Your BOffs only get 4 abilities. And their traits. Therefore they need the superior traits to make them still able to deal it out.

    Your Captain has more than twice the abilities, the ability to change out it's kits, two weapons, and the ability to fire much faster (yes, you shoot a hell of a lot faster than your BOffs). Also your captain knows how to take cover and also choose targets more intelligently.

    Sufficed to say, your captain is always superior, regardless of traits. Also, your captain gets twice as many traits AND it's racial trait.


    Yes but all those traits be it some are better are still normal traits, while boff's can get superior traits that are the same as yours only superior and effectively better in some of theirs vs our own.
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  • robyvisionrobyvision Member Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bpharma wrote: »
    Speaking of which why is it that the embassy rare female romulans get normal operative but the males get superior operative. Tad sexist there don't you think?

    Misogyny in sto :eek:Who would guessed that was possible in star trek game ?
  • aetam1aetam1 Member Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    And not your actual captain, I mean they are simply boff's and you are the actual PC captain and all you get is common traits that are no better than a un-common or rare boff gets! The captain traits should be just as good as any VR superior trait considering we have to invest in training for the idiots. It's not like if we had superior traits as captains that we still wouldn't want VR boff's, so what's the reason for making us pick from a list of traits that are no better than a simple boff gets?

    Well you are the captain. But you are still human (ok maybe not human but a mortal being). The position of captain is for those who make good leaders. They should not be superior in everything.
    There is no need for a captain to be also the best doctor. You won't be in the medbay anyway. So get specialists for that. There is nor shame to admitting that your ships chief medical officer might be a better surgeon than the captain.

    I don't think the captain should be superior in everything. We are not superheros, we are star ship captains. Worf is a better fighter than picard I would say, geordi is a better engineer, crusher a better doctor.
    The only thing the captain should be superior in, is command.

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  • kortaagkortaag Member Posts: 525
    edited October 2013
    bpharma wrote: »
    I think there would be less hate for him if you could drown him in a vat of acid....I mean dismiss him freeing up a place on your roster for a superior romulan operative boff.

    I guess but then some people want that fantasy, others don't but the choice should be there and certainly not make one sex inferior to the other, that is sexism no matter how you dress it up.

    Yup, I've touched on this as well. It's the same sexism that allows you to augment boob/chest size but not a male's crotch size on your captains.
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited October 2013
    Yes and let's not forget the whole changing female bodies to be "more realistic" and less idolised yet the male bodies were still kept as peak physical perfection to Jonny Bravo style male insertion fantasy.

    It is through repetition that we learn our weakness.
    A master with a stone is better than a novice with a sword.

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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Yes but all those traits be it some are better are still normal traits, while boff's can get superior traits that are the same as yours only superior and effectively better in some of theirs vs our own.

    I don't think you got the point of what I was saying. I was basically saying that they may have superior class traits (which at most are only 50% better which isn't saying much since most passive ground traits (at least those with superior versions) are quite weak), but you have twice as many ground abilities as they do (your captain abilities plus your kit), you're smarter than they are, and you fire faster than they do, IN ADDITION to having access to twice as many traits plus your racial trait (or twice as many traits plus one if you're an alien).

    So in the end, them having superior class traits almost becomes a null point if you look at their ability to do anything compared to you.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
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