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Jem hadar Dreadnought and Carriers got the short end of the stick?

gladius5gladius5 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
Today I looked into the new patch notes and my reaction could be described like this.
1) Good finally larger ships get boost.
2) Somehow can not find JHDC (fed my boat) and Carriers are also missing. (Kling alt) Something is wrong.
3) Wtf .....

So I wanted to ask.
Is it just me or are they also others who think that is unfair, that Carriers have been omitted in the distribution of these new capabilities?

Or is there any alternative plan for carrriers?

ps. Sorry for mi english.
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  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Large ships didn't get a boost. Cruisers got a boost - a boost that also helps their teammates. Carriers get Pets. They don't need any more of a boost - especially, as I said above, they can benefit from any boost a teaming Cruiser has if they're close to them.
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    It's called Cruiser Advanced Comm Arrays, not Carrier advanced Comm Arrays.
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  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    gladius5 wrote: »
    Today I looked into the new patch notes and my reaction could be described like this.
    1) Good finally larger ships get boost.
    2) Somehow can not find JHDC (fed my boat) and Carriers are also missing. (Kling alt) Something is wrong.
    3) Wtf .....

    So I wanted to ask.
    Is it just me or are they also others who think that is unfair, that Carriers have been omitted in the distribution of these new capabilities?

    Or is there any alternative plan for carrriers?

    ps. Sorry for mi english.

    Carriers got pets as a boost. Pets got boosted again with fleet VR editions. Pets got boosted another time with pet-leveling.
  • warpetwarpet Member Posts: 506 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    i do not think jhdc need boost my works more then great and will be nice to see Cruiser ships do be better now they need to give something to science ships to
    as for carriers they are great but most of ppl play them wrong and just use pets torpedo carriers works great if tank and if have jhdc just put cannons+turents on it and u will do good dps as escorts + u will have 2 wings of pets which each wing do more dps then 1 bad players
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    buccaneerdtb wrote: »
    Carriers got pets as a boost. Pets got boosted again with fleet VR editions. Pets got boosted another time with pet-leveling.

    Yeah,

    Has A Carrier enthusiast I have to agree with this.

    Our Hanger Support can make all the difference in how effectively the Carrier can be operated and with the new leveling mechanic Hanger support are much more durable (not so much the fighters).

    Now I find myself wondering if the new Cruiser Support Commands work with our Hanger Support Ships.

    I'm still waiting for an unrestricted Hanger Bug ship for the JHDC :rolleyes:
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  • theuser2021theuser2021 Member Posts: 170 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The only cruiser command I want to see my Jem'hadar dreadnought to be able to use is the plus threat command, even more so on my Tholian Recluse. Those are my main tanking ships for my engineer. Other than that I think the commands should be a cruiser specific ability.
  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    yeah I know where your coming from.

    i'm wondering why the d'deridex got nothing :eek: i would have thought it could have got 1 or 2 commands rather than nothing.
  • neoakiraiineoakiraii Member Posts: 7,468 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    yeah I know where your coming from.

    i'm wondering why the d'deridex got nothing :eek: i would have thought it could have got 1 or 2 commands rather than nothing.

    The Romulans don't get the CC, it was in the Dev blog
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The Romulans don't get the CC, it was in the Dev blog

    Unless they own the Monbosh, TSABC, Galor or D'Kora, that is. Warbirds don't get the CCs.
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  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The Romulans don't get the CC, it was in the Dev blog

    But a satisfying 'why' was not in the blog, hence some people are still wondering.
  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    neoakiraii wrote: »
    The Romulans don't get the CC, it was in the Dev blog

    disappointing. as I've clearly identified the only romulan ship that could have got any.

    scimitar is a 1 hangar carrier.

    the haakona can separate. so i appreciate the complexity with that ship.

    d'deridex however is clearly the romulan cruiser.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    buccaneerdtb wrote: »
    But a satisfying 'why' was not in the blog, hence some people are still wondering.

    Because they have Singularity powers. So if the D'Deridex has its Singularity Core removed, then Advanced Comm Arrays can be added to it, but then it would no longer be a Warbird. As far as are Singularity powers worth it, then that is a completely different problem and everyone would have their own opinion.
  • wazzagiowwazzagiow Member Posts: 769 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    Because they have Singularity powers. So if the D'Deridex has its Singularity Core removed, then Advanced Comm Arrays can be added to it, but then it would no longer be a Warbird. As far as are Singularity powers worth it, then that is a completely different problem and everyone would have their own opinion.

    woooooooooahh hold on there. warp cores vs singularity cores that was balanced out ages ago the devs claimed in posts and blogs when romulan ships was being tested. this why singularity cores have much lower power levels. also all abilities need to charge and have a cooldown.

    so this shouldn't be singularity core/power related at all.
  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    woooooooooahh hold on there. warp cores vs singularity cores that was balanced out ages ago the devs claimed in posts and blogs when romulan ships was being tested. this why singularity cores have much lower power levels. also all abilities need to charge and have a cooldown.

    so this shouldn't be singularity core/power related at all.

    If you really believe the missing 40 power (10 less from each category) makes up for all the singularity powers/crit-def-cloak traited boffs and battlecloaks on everything then your understanding of the game may not be of adequate level for you to be correcting others.
  • buccaneerdtbbuccaneerdtb Member Posts: 575 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    skyranger1414 wrote: »
    If you really believe the missing 40 power (10 less from each category) makes up for all the singularity powers/crit-def-cloak traited boffs and battlecloaks on everything then your understanding of the game may not be of adequate level for you to be correcting others.

    If you really believe Romulans lose 10 power to each system then you do not understand how this game works. All ships keep weapon power at 100, thus Romulans get 2 other systems at 15 power and one at 30; or weapons at 100 and the other 3 at 20 power. That creates a serious weakness to engine/shield/axillary disables through energy drain and subsystem targeting.

    And Boffs are not a part of the ships and may be nerfed to not stack at any time, as some already have been.

    And not everyone uses the OP leech console as it makes power levels a joke and ruins the game balance. (I own one but don't use it as it is stupid OP). (Yes, same goes for the Valdore console, stupid OP).

    Just because you feel it is justified does not mean that everyone else feels satisfied with the reasons for the D'Deridex not being counted as a cruiser. What about the upcoming Science Vessel enhancements? Will they skip Romulans as well? Valid questions.
  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The point is that Warbirds already get a lot of unique powers and adding the Comm Array powers on top of that would push things too far. So it is a choice of either the D'deridex is not considered a Cruiser and keeps its Singularity powers or the D'deridex is considered a Cruiser and loses its Singularity powers.
  • gstamo01gstamo01 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Bortasq kind of got screwed though. Ody got 4, Bort got 3.
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  • tksmittytksmitty Member Posts: 173 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    gstamo01 wrote: »
    Bortasq kind of got screwed though. Ody got 4, Bort got 3.

    The Bortasqu' is a battlecruiser. It might not move like one out of the box, but it is a BC.

    As for the JHDC, and carriers in general, not getting these new powers? I'm OK with it. I fly one all the time. The hangar support/leveling thing is great (well, it needs a way to show whether or not a pet has docked...)

    And about Warbirds not getting them. Warbirds already have singularity powers. Another set of powers for the cruiser-type Warbirds would have been more than slightly unbalanced.
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    Fed Tac: Fleet Gal-X

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  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    buccaneerdtb wrote: »
    But a satisfying 'why' was not in the blog, hence some people are still wondering.

    It might have something to do with Romulan Warbirds alreayd being VERY POWERFUL? Maybe? ;)
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,891 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    starkaos wrote: »
    The point is that Warbirds already get a lot of unique powers and adding the Comm Array powers on top of that would push things too far. So it is a choice of either the D'deridex is not considered a Cruiser and keeps its Singularity powers or the D'deridex is considered a Cruiser and loses its Singularity powers.

    A lot of unique powers that suck :P
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lianthelia wrote: »
    A lot of unique powers that suck :P

    Matter of opinion. I would say that they are about as good as a lot of console powers and they don't cost a console slot. Sure there are some console powers are just better than others, but there are some lackluster console powers like the Rhode Island Console power.
  • griged32griged32 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lianthelia wrote: »
    A lot of unique powers that suck :P

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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    gstamo01 wrote: »
    Bortasq kind of got screwed though. Ody got 4, Bort got 3.

    I was annoyed my Bortas did not get the threat control option.

    So, took the normal threat skill of my engi now - none of my KDF will tank.

    Looks like only feds can effectively use threat control now. Shame my fed engi is retired :rolleyes:
  • salem1574salem1574 Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    gladius5 wrote: »
    Today I looked into the new patch notes and my reaction could be described like this.
    1) Good finally larger ships get boost.
    2) Somehow can not find JHDC (fed my boat) and Carriers are also missing. (Kling alt) Something is wrong.
    3) Wtf .....

    So I wanted to ask.
    Is it just me or are they also others who think that is unfair, that Carriers have been omitted in the distribution of these new capabilities?

    Or is there any alternative plan for carrriers?

    ps. Sorry for mi english.



    I totally agree with this. Carriers move just slow and cumbersome as cruisers do if not more so?The fact that we have few fighters or attack ships pew, pewing around does not give us a particularly large tactical advantage. The Advanced Comm Arrays should have been given to ALL large ships with the exception of freighters.

    I do not see that the game would be unbalanced in anyway by having carriers included at least to some degree..

    Escorts of would benefit greatly by just being in proximity to ANY of these ships
  • manlyyamsmanlyyams Member Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Also don't forget that most carriers (at least the Atrox and the Vo'Quv do) get a few full array of subsystem targetting I. Might not seem like much but even level 1 can occasionally knock out shields or weapons, allowing either your pets or your teammates to lay into them with less worries.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    wazzagiow wrote: »
    disappointing. as I've clearly identified the only romulan ship that could have got any.

    scimitar is a 1 hangar carrier.

    the haakona can separate. so i appreciate the complexity with that ship.

    d'deridex however is clearly the romulan cruiser.

    Ha, the overpowered Romulans are the last things in this game that need any more boosts.
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    i really don't feel that the bortasq is missing anything by losing the threat control option.

    Faster turn or m0ar dps is really all that is good and pure in this world
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • captainkeatzcaptainkeatz Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    OP got it all wrong. Fed Dread is the one to get screwed most.
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  • khayuungkhayuung Member Posts: 1,876 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Like Romulans, the carriers will get NOTHING and LIKE IT. :cool:

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