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fleet avenger vs JHDC, JHEC, or Adapted destroyer
arctcwolf
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Now that we have had fun with the new ship...does anyone who has flown any of the JHDC, JHEC, or Adapted Destroyers have any feelings regarding how the avenger stacks up?
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Wait till the other ships get the comm array stuff then decide for yourself.
The Avenger is a fun little ship, but it does not hold a candle to the brutality of my JHDC.
Current state? What do you mean? You want it nerfed? Its an awesome ship!!! The VATA is garbage, but most "special" consoles are.
Don't go with the 3 tac doffs keep the universal an engineer, go all in one line up, something like TT1, APB, CRF2, and HY1, then go A2B, get 3 purple doffs (from b'tran only take a week or two), you keep that rotation up, and believe me your dps exceed anything but a similarly build Scimitar.
The commands help and are best when you fly with other avenger right now, they don't make the build alone, but they can help you do whatever you need to do better. Skip the custom Console.
You really only have 1 choice for max damage with the avenger. It should be doing the most dps for feds.
Jem dread could give it a challenge, but that's only due to peta
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
MY FLEET:http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=498091
What have I said that you find confusing?
"It's real strength is cannons?" Weird perspective there, mal? Have you flown the Kumari or the F-TER as a tactical captain? THESE are truly outstanding cannon boats. The kicker is that I don't want, or expect the Avenger to be as fabulous with cannons. I simply want it to live up to its billing, with cannons OR beams.
Really, my Vesta recon is more destructive by far. That just doesn't make sense to me.
1) If you do a lot of PvP as an engineer, you want a Cmd engineer slot. Among the four options you give, only the Avenger and the TS Cruiser can equip Extend Shield 3. Whether you want one or the other depends on your team and its synergies.
2) If you are an engineer and play mostly in PvE, either of the Jem'Hadar ships will give you a formidable tank with plenty of offensive potential. Whether you like one or the other depends on your personal preferences about beam boats or escorts/destroyers.
3) Never ask for whom the bell tolls... Soon the TS Battle Cruiser will be the *only* ship with access to cruiser modes and without the useless Cmd engineer slot (I mean useless in PvE, of course, as it is optimal for an engineer in PvP). I'm not sure that it can reach the output potentiel of Jem'Hadar ship, though, but I'm sure that many Avenger captains will feel outperformed in every dimensions of the gameplay in PvE.
Here's how I would build mines:
4 DC and 1 DBB forward
3 Turrets aft
(Phased Polarons are my pref)
Lt. Comm Tact: Tact Team, CRF, APO
Ens Tact: Beam: Target Engines or Beam Overload
Commander Engi: EPtS1, Aux2Bat, Aux2Damp2 or EPtE3, DEM3
Lt. Sci: Hazard Emitters, Energy Siphon
(Universal) Lt. Sci: TSS, Tyken's Rift
Fit in a Plasmonic leech somewhere in the console section.
I would have to do more testing with Aux2Damp2 in order to give it a final say. However, EPtE3 is a solid choice, as it fits in +4 turn rate and gives a massive boost to speed defense should you need it to give yourself some breathing room for a full 30 seconds. :rolleyes: On top of that, it fits in perfectly with EPtS's cooldown of 30s and you can have both of them up full time.
As a final note, this is from an Engineer's standpoint. If you play as a tact, you may want to switch EPtE and EPtS to give yourself more survivability (since APA gives you nice turn rate already).
All hands! Prepare the popcorn and tinfoil hats!
I have in fact. I don't know billing thing you suggest, but believe that the Avengers dps with cannons is overwhelming. The Avenger does fine as a beam boat, more maneuverable then the FAC, with only 500 less base hull and equally or better prepared for beam boating. I know folks who love their beam build avengers, most having switched form FACs, they can get really high dps numbers with sufficient enemy numbers. But If you're broad siding you might as well have 4 beams in the front and 4 in the back.
The reason the kumari is solid is its forward slots, but the Avenger has that advantage and the additional weapon slot, this its dps potential. As well as having a much great strength of hull and Cruiser Commands. I will certainly agree the Kumari does have the advantages of true escort maneuverability, and option to get a 5th tac slot, which is very nice.
The Vesta is a great ship, I love my tac vest and its 130 aux power. But even with a pile of plus to hull, and it full array of consoles I find its very small hit point pool to be insufficient. My Bug has over 10k more hull then the Vesta, and it won't get crited out by a single lucky plasma torp hit or BOIII hit, something I found happening all to often.
I assumed everyone would build out each ship to their best capacity/usage, and each captain would fly each ship in order to win any senario, PvP or PvE.
Hearing about the TS ABC was interesting, as I had not considered it as gaining the cruiser abilities. Cryptic has already said none of the lock box or lobi ships will be given access to cruiser commands. this means chel grett, galor, JHDC, JHEC, tholian carrier, either of the tal shiar ships, ect. Both the destroyer and JHEC are considered "escorts" anyway, just like the chimera, thus dont get the option of getting any cruiser buffs.
considering boff seating for avenger is similar to the FAHCR, I'd have assumed players would run with DBB up front, turrets and KCB rear, and go with BO and BFAW, allowing for a dual aux2batt setup with some combo of RSP and DEM in slots 3 and 4. the 90* targeting arc would also seem to help with getting the nose on target and doing damage more consistently, though most players using JHDC seem to already know how to bring DHC to bear, and the console setup is the same for both platforms. so the question there is: is the 3* extra turn and 5th weapon slot, and cruiser commands worth losing hull and dual hanger bays?
The funny part is that I fly the Fleet Avenger like my tac Vesta still... considering they both look similar I find it somewhat amusing.
Here's a pic of the TSABC running the Comm Array Command for shield regen:
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/8c/df/8cdfde6e047cf2993bd791e7932d46301381171617.jpg
Unless they've changed their minds, it looks like it counts, though the JHDC doesn't, since that is a Carrier and not a Cruiser. From the Dev Blog(pic of TSABC near the bottom): http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=997641
Edit: today's Red Shirt Patch note snips: ---
Upgrade to the Fleet version of the Avenger, as it brings the hull to higher than the TSA Destroyer and matches the shield mod. You can use the standard pylons with it if you don't like the flat ones. Going to the Fleet version really helped me with tanking in it. If you want automatic regeneration, you should try the Borg Deflector/Engine/Shield set from the Omega Reputation.
Funny you should say that. I was looking at doing just that last night! Just need to pick up the fleet module and give it a spin. And I don't like the fleet versions "Voyager" style low swept pylons so I appreciate the heads up about changing them.