Lots of discussion going on about this (again) lately, and I have but one (actually two) questions for DStahl and/or Geko. I'm targeting the two of you because of what has been said here:
The CBS issue was specifically stated by DStahl and Geko in separate posts/interviews. Geko even went so far as to postulate that they might try and put a Connie in a Lockbox to get around CBS' restriction. That, apparently, didn't fly with CBS either, but it's clear that Cryptic does understand how much money can be made from a T5 Connie. They just can't get permission to use it.
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I apologize if incorrect. Regardless, obviously someone has approached CBS about the Constitution and they have said No.
Question #1: Was this request made of them before or after the Exeter Refit?
Question #2 (if said request was made before): Would it be possible, at your next convenience, to ask after the Exeter (as a stand alone ship/skin) to have a Tier #5/Fleet version?
As I just said to someone else above, that's Cryptic's decision. It has nothing to do with canon. Cryptic gets to decide how awesome or crappy each ship is in the game.
The ingame Date is around the year 2409. This means that the Constitution Class launched more than 160 years ago. This class is outdated. Period. Technical progress can't be stopped.
Have to disagree. Toyota has been making the Corolla for almost 50 years now and shows no sign of stopping. Honda Civics? 40 years now. Ford Escorts? Over 30 years. These aren't exactly top end autos either. I would imagine 400 years from now it would be totally feasible to have a ship class last for about 200 years easily.
I understand your point. I really do. But let me just counter with the fact that the Excelsior is 124 years old in this timeline, and is still considered on of the best T5 tac cruisers in the game. If technical progress can't be stopped then why is the Excelsior the exception to the rule - let alone the D'kyr, K't'nga, B'rel, and so on?
Ultimately each ship is as good as it is because the Devs want it to be, not because of tech or age limits.
The Excelsior, D'Kyr, B'Rel and the other old ships are also outdated. These ships shouldn't never be released as T5 ships also. This was quite inconsequent from Cryptic.
I've never had a problem with T5 variants of older ships like the Connie and dare I say, the Miranda.
I'm happy with the idea that ships may appear outdated on the outside, yet their innards are filled to the brim with all the latest tech and therefore can perform alongside their more modern looking counterparts.
Also the game is based during a time of war, and during war it isn't a far fetched idea to have functional ships pulled out of mothballs and sent to the front lines. As long as they are capable of performing some sort of duty it doesn't matter if it ain't the latest and greatest.
Then of course this is just a game, and certain players just like the idea of flying their favourite looking ships rather than the best performing ones. I fear this same old argument has de-railed the thread somewhat, so shall we get back on track?
I can sort of appreciate why CBS want to keep a T5 variant out of the game, it is perhaps the most iconic ship in the franchise so its not surprising to me that they'd want to protect it. Perhaps it took Cryptic a hell of alot of work to convince them to have the hull available as T2 in the first place? Who knows. The one sure thing is that CBS probably won't budge on the decision.
Have to disagree. Toyota has been making the Corolla for almost 50 years now and shows no sign of stopping. Honda Civics? 40 years now. Ford Escorts? Over 30 years. These aren't exactly top end autos either. I would imagine 400 years from now it would be totally feasible to have a ship class last for about 200 years easily.
This argument does not work. The Corolla from 2013 has only the name with car from 1966 in common. The same for the Honda Civic and Ford Escort.
Putting this into Star Trek measurements, this would mean that we still have a Constitution Class in 2409 with the looks of a Sovereign or a Avenger Class ingame.
I'm happy with the idea that ships may appear outdated on the outside, yet their innards are filled to the brim with all the latest tech and therefore can perform alongside their more modern looking counterparts.
And its consistent with what Star Trek has shown us to be the mindset of humans and Starfleet: Conservative in regards to style and fashion.
Kirk comparde starships to ships of sail. Picard loved Shakespeare, riding and old fashioned clothes. Riker loved 20th century Jazz. Data reenacted Sherlock Holmes. Sisko was into 20th century baseball and built a replica of a historic ship, but outfitted with grav plating. Chakotay practiced a wild mix of religious clishes of native american spirituality, like as if its coming directly from a 1950ies Tv-Show. Paris reanected Sci-Fi from the 1930ies to 50ies on the holodeck. Janeway reanacted the 19th century.
Starfleet still uses Navy Ranks and naval terms, naval traditions and practices, ceremonies, etc.
Finally: Assume you are a military! Would you want your enemy to know the capabilities of your ship just by looking at it? Or would you rather prefer to keep your opponent in the dark about what your ship can and can not do?
But..... fans decided to think of starships as cars. :rolleyes:
STO went FTP in Jan, 2012. The Exeter was released in Nov, 2011 as part of the flood of new low-tier ships leading up to the FTP Launch.
As Geko was talking about putting a Connie in a Lockbox it would have needed to be around the time of the 1st Lockbox, so right around the same time the Exeter was released. The CBS statement was given to us by DStahl before Geko suggested a Lockbox.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
This argument does not work. The Corolla from 2013 has only the name with car from 1966 in common. The same for the Honda Civic and Ford Escort.
Regardless, it's still a Corolla, Civic, or Escort. If you look at the exterior or interiors, the TOS Conny doesn't have too much in common with the Conny from TWoK either...
The Excelsior, D'Kyr, B'Rel and the other old ships are also outdated. These ships shouldn't never be released as T5 ships also. This was quite inconsequent from Cryptic.
Some ship designs work better with upgrades than others. Vulcans and Klingons have been traveling in interstellar space with Warp Drives for hundreds of years longer than humans. Therefore, their ship designs have matured to the point where it is not necessary to create a new ship design every 10 years unless they have to introduce some completely new and revolutionary technology that requires a new ship design for it to work like a Quantum Slipstream Drive that is always active. With the Excelsior, the humans could have lucked out and found a ship design that is very upgradeable.
The Tier 5 D'Kyr, B'Rel, and Excelsior are not ships that are hundreds of years old. They were made recently with various changes to the ship design in terms of technology. The Constitution on the other hand just can't be upgraded that well and was reaching the end of its upgradability when the Excelsior came out.
Personally if it was up to me, they should create fleet version of every ship in the game, it gives variety as to what one can command into battle.
Those nay sayers against a tier 5 Connie, must understand that this game is beyond canon now. We even have Kumari escorts, which are ancient by comparison, at tier 5. The Connie is far more advanced than the Kumari in the timeline. That's a small example.
We are now entering the era of Dino Bots in out midst, anything should go, especially a small thing as giving fans a tier 5 Connie.
Thanks for the reply though, guess that answers what I needed to know.
I have more hair then Geko, but a less charming smile then DStahl.
STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
Those nay sayers against a tier 5 Connie, must understand that this game is beyond canon now. We even have Kumari escorts, which are ancient by comparison, at tier 5. The Connie is far more advanced than the Kumari in the timeline. That's a small example.
And just because humans have to create a new ship design every 10 years, doesn't mean that other races have to. The Andorian Escorts are not hundreds of years old, they were made recently with current technology. If something is working perfectly fine, then there is no point in creating a new one. Some ship designs can accommodate new technology much easier than other ship designs. As shown by the difference between the Excelsior and the Constitution.
All of the arguments made against a tier 5 connie is hogwash, weak, and not relevant in regards to this game. We have Dino Bots at our door, multiple Dyson spheres gameplay mechanics, yet we still argue against a tier 5 connie because it does not LOOK right in a obscure and outdated ship lineup.
If CBS said no to a tier 5 Connie, it was stated years ago and should be reviewed, perhaps some changes are in order. How much control does CBS has? Nobody knows - seems Cryptic is walking all over that notion in the past recent years.
CBS would have blocked playable enemy ships from serving in the Federation etc... Apparently we can fly anything from a Tuffli to Jem'Hadar warships, still want to argue against a tier 5 connie?
I think the time is right for a tier 5 connie - especially for those who love to RP etc... and want to be competitive using a Connie. I am all for variety, and a tier 5 connie simply adds to enhance gameplay.
If anything, it is time for a FEDERATION Lock Box - put the thing in there if need be.
The Tier 5 D'Kyr, B'Rel, and Excelsior are not ships that are hundreds of years old. They were made recently with various changes to the ship design in terms of technology. The Constitution on the other hand just can't be upgraded that well and was reaching the end of its upgradability when the Excelsior came out.
Just out of curiosity, what makes you prefer to think that.
If you take a look at the Constitution Class you will not find much that is different from an Excelsior, Ambassador or Galaxy Class:
Saucer shaped habitat section - check
Bridge dome, probably exchangable - check
Deflector dish - check
Hole in the ships neck, facing forward, as a place for a torpedo launcher - check
Two big pods with huge heat radiators and forward facing permeable domes to house warp coils and bussard collectors - check
The only differences:
Excelsior allows for an extra flight deck, has a bigger ratio between warp nacelles volume and volume of the rest of the ship, has bigger heat radiators and bigger openings for Ion Thrusters (relative to the overall size of the ship)
Galaxy allows for 3 flight decks and is more compact, more robust (makes sense, since its also bigger).
Anything else is just bigger in scale.
The designs are almost identical from an engeneering point of view, just the size and the artstyle is different.
Just out of curiosity, what makes you prefer to think that.
If you take a look at the Constitution Class you will not find anything that is different from an Excelsior, Ambassador or Galaxy Class:
Saucer shaped habitat section - check
Bridge dome, probably exchangable - check
Deflector dish - check
Hole on the ships neck, facing forward as a place for a torpedo launcher - check
Two big pods with huge heat radiators and forward facing permeable domes to house warp coils and bussard collectors - check
The only differences:
Excelsior allows for an extra flight deck, has a bigger ratio between warp nacelles volume and volume of the rest of the ship, has bigger heat radiators and bigger openings for Ion Thrusters 8relative to the overall size of the ship)
Galaxy allows for 3 flight decks and is more compact, more robust (makes sense, since its also bigger).
Anything else is just bigger in scale.
The designs are almost identical from an engeneering point of view, just the size and the artstyle is different.
Obviously the lack of any Constitution class in any other Star Trek series. If it was a decent ship design, then it would be in TNG and DS9. It takes time and effort to create a new ship design so it makes more sense to reuse old ship designs if it fits the needs of the military at the time. Therefore, since no new Constitutions were built, then there is some major design flaw. There is also the fact that the major refit of the TOS Enterprise in the 2270s almost completely replaced every single system making it no longer the Enterprise from the TOS, but a completely new ship for all intents and purposes. There is also the problem that there is no evidence of a Constitution ship in the 24th Century. Apparently, the refitted Enterprise was retired in the 2290s.
Question #2 (if said request was made before): Would it be possible, at your next convenience, to ask after the Exeter (as a stand alone ship/skin) to have a Tier #5/Fleet version?
That is all.
It was done, long ago in ancient times, that people just asked for a fleet cruiser retrofit without ye forbidden Constitution skin, and lo on ye 31st of July in the year 2012 dastahl spoke to us.
We simply haven't communicated what we are doing about this yet. That doesn't mean we aren't listening or have selective hearing. It means that we aren't ready to discuss our solution for this yet, or that the solution is still in the works.
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Obviously the lack of any Constitution class in any other Star Trek series. If it was a decent ship design, then it would be in TNG and DS9. It takes time and effort to create a new ship design so it makes more sense to reuse old ship designs if it fits the needs of the military at the time. Therefore, since no new Constitutions were built, then there is some major design flaw. There is also the fact that the major refit of the TOS Enterprise in the 2270s almost completely replaced every single system making it no longer the Enterprise from the TOS, but a completely new ship for all intents and purposes. There is also the problem that there is no evidence of a Constitution ship in the 24th Century. Apparently, the refitted Enterprise was retired in the 2290s.
Thats it? We never saw a Connie on TNG, DS9 or Voyager and therefore it doesnt exist?
Did Starfleet stop hiring historians? Cause we never again heard of a Starfleet Officer with the speciality of Historian since the episode Space Seed.
Anyway, if I understand you corectly you would say that STO should only show stuff we saw in TNG, DS9 and Voyager?
They can yank the license and shut down the game if they want to. CBS/Paramount did it to FASA when TNG launched because FASA wanted to publish stuff about the Federation Marines.
I'm surprised they haven't done it already to STO, not that I want that to happen, I enjoy this game.
Yet, time after time, it seems that Cryptic add things to STO that are beyond reason, case in point, our newly Dino arrivals. I think it's going a bit too far if you ask me. A simple matter like a tier 5 Connie shouldn't be a huge issue with CBS.
I'm all for it if they want to place it in a Lock Box, time for a Fed LBox anyways
There is also the problem that there is no evidence of a Constitution ship in the 24th Century. Apparently, the refitted Enterprise was retired in the 2290s.
Well except Wolf 359 and in"The Sound of her Voice" Also your point would apply to the T'varo, D'kyr and D7. None of them were seen past TOS or even Enterprise.
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Well except Wolf 359 and in"The Sound of her Voice" Also your point would apply to the T'varo, D'kyr and D7. None of them were seen past TOS or even Enterprise.
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
im pretty sure cbs does not make money off of the games performance, cryptic pays a flat fee to them for the rights to the ip..
Depends on the agreement. Cryptic could pay a flat fee, or a combination of a flat fee and a percentage over a particular profit point; at which point CBS may alsom kick back some parts of the 'take' in reimbursed development costs or advertising costs, etc.
^^^
IE only Cryptic and CBS know the terms of the Star Trek MMO IP licensing deal; but I would be surprised if CBS didn't have a percentage option past a certain performance point.
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Well except Wolf 359 and in"The Sound of her Voice" Also your point would apply to the T'varo, D'kyr and D7. None of them were seen past TOS or even Enterprise.
No I say that's the connie's bigger cousin the Federation class. Also again the KDF doesn't design ships as often as Starfleet. THey use the deisgn for it's good enough for them and just tech refit. While this can happen forthe connie the problem is that starfleet has younger designs that do those jobs better than the connie. by TNG the class is retired and mothballed in case they were ever needed again.
I don't think players will be happy. I suppose if the floodgates have been opened already by the Excelsior than the Constitution isn't a far cry away. But if there was a tier 5 connie, it would be a movie era refit because there would be no sense in keeping a non refitted connie for 150 years.
I could go on, remember how the Sao Paulo was a bit better than the original Defiant? However, a 200 year old ship is a bit of a stretch.
How was the Sao Paula better than the defiant? The ship you see in season 7 combat scenes are the same ones from Favor The Bold/Sacrifice of the angels, so it seems to me to be the exact same ship. :P
Also again the KDF doesn't design ships as often as Starfleet. THey use the deisgn for it's good enough for them and just tech refit.
The D7 was never seen after TOS (except an ancient one in Voyager in the delta quadrant), and that's the only KDF ship I mentioned. The Romulans changed ships almost as frequently as the Federation, and the Vulcans went pacifist.
While this can happen forthe connie the problem is that starfleet has younger designs that do those jobs better than the connie. by TNG the class is retired and mothballed in case they were ever needed again.
Younger designs like the Exclaibur, Vesper and Exeter?:D Otherwise, no the Federation doesn't have a good match for the Constitution. Other cruisers are bigger, slower and need a lot more crew. Starfleet retired the Constitution out of misguided design specifications due to an overlong period of peace.
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Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Wait, so you're telling me that if it wasn't for CBS (killer of the Star Trek franchise and sucker of all things fun) we would possibly be in the middle of some sort of trekkie renaissance/golden age of awesomeness wherein we could lord over the Star Wars fans for generations.
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Question #1: Was this request made of them before or after the Exeter Refit?
Question #2 (if said request was made before): Would it be possible, at your next convenience, to ask after the Exeter (as a stand alone ship/skin) to have a Tier #5/Fleet version?
That is all.
Have to disagree. Toyota has been making the Corolla for almost 50 years now and shows no sign of stopping. Honda Civics? 40 years now. Ford Escorts? Over 30 years. These aren't exactly top end autos either. I would imagine 400 years from now it would be totally feasible to have a ship class last for about 200 years easily.
The Excelsior, D'Kyr, B'Rel and the other old ships are also outdated. These ships shouldn't never be released as T5 ships also. This was quite inconsequent from Cryptic.
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I'm happy with the idea that ships may appear outdated on the outside, yet their innards are filled to the brim with all the latest tech and therefore can perform alongside their more modern looking counterparts.
Also the game is based during a time of war, and during war it isn't a far fetched idea to have functional ships pulled out of mothballs and sent to the front lines. As long as they are capable of performing some sort of duty it doesn't matter if it ain't the latest and greatest.
Then of course this is just a game, and certain players just like the idea of flying their favourite looking ships rather than the best performing ones. I fear this same old argument has de-railed the thread somewhat, so shall we get back on track?
I can sort of appreciate why CBS want to keep a T5 variant out of the game, it is perhaps the most iconic ship in the franchise so its not surprising to me that they'd want to protect it. Perhaps it took Cryptic a hell of alot of work to convince them to have the hull available as T2 in the first place? Who knows. The one sure thing is that CBS probably won't budge on the decision.
This argument does not work. The Corolla from 2013 has only the name with car from 1966 in common. The same for the Honda Civic and Ford Escort.
Putting this into Star Trek measurements, this would mean that we still have a Constitution Class in 2409 with the looks of a Sovereign or a Avenger Class ingame.
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And its consistent with what Star Trek has shown us to be the mindset of humans and Starfleet: Conservative in regards to style and fashion.
Kirk comparde starships to ships of sail. Picard loved Shakespeare, riding and old fashioned clothes. Riker loved 20th century Jazz. Data reenacted Sherlock Holmes. Sisko was into 20th century baseball and built a replica of a historic ship, but outfitted with grav plating. Chakotay practiced a wild mix of religious clishes of native american spirituality, like as if its coming directly from a 1950ies Tv-Show. Paris reanected Sci-Fi from the 1930ies to 50ies on the holodeck. Janeway reanacted the 19th century.
Starfleet still uses Navy Ranks and naval terms, naval traditions and practices, ceremonies, etc.
Finally: Assume you are a military! Would you want your enemy to know the capabilities of your ship just by looking at it? Or would you rather prefer to keep your opponent in the dark about what your ship can and can not do?
But..... fans decided to think of starships as cars. :rolleyes:
As Geko was talking about putting a Connie in a Lockbox it would have needed to be around the time of the 1st Lockbox, so right around the same time the Exeter was released. The CBS statement was given to us by DStahl before Geko suggested a Lockbox.
Regardless, it's still a Corolla, Civic, or Escort. If you look at the exterior or interiors, the TOS Conny doesn't have too much in common with the Conny from TWoK either...
Some ship designs work better with upgrades than others. Vulcans and Klingons have been traveling in interstellar space with Warp Drives for hundreds of years longer than humans. Therefore, their ship designs have matured to the point where it is not necessary to create a new ship design every 10 years unless they have to introduce some completely new and revolutionary technology that requires a new ship design for it to work like a Quantum Slipstream Drive that is always active. With the Excelsior, the humans could have lucked out and found a ship design that is very upgradeable.
The Tier 5 D'Kyr, B'Rel, and Excelsior are not ships that are hundreds of years old. They were made recently with various changes to the ship design in terms of technology. The Constitution on the other hand just can't be upgraded that well and was reaching the end of its upgradability when the Excelsior came out.
Thanks for the reply though, guess that answers what I needed to know.
Those nay sayers against a tier 5 Connie, must understand that this game is beyond canon now. We even have Kumari escorts, which are ancient by comparison, at tier 5. The Connie is far more advanced than the Kumari in the timeline. That's a small example.
We are now entering the era of Dino Bots in out midst, anything should go, especially a small thing as giving fans a tier 5 Connie.
And just because humans have to create a new ship design every 10 years, doesn't mean that other races have to. The Andorian Escorts are not hundreds of years old, they were made recently with current technology. If something is working perfectly fine, then there is no point in creating a new one. Some ship designs can accommodate new technology much easier than other ship designs. As shown by the difference between the Excelsior and the Constitution.
If CBS said no to a tier 5 Connie, it was stated years ago and should be reviewed, perhaps some changes are in order. How much control does CBS has? Nobody knows - seems Cryptic is walking all over that notion in the past recent years.
CBS would have blocked playable enemy ships from serving in the Federation etc... Apparently we can fly anything from a Tuffli to Jem'Hadar warships, still want to argue against a tier 5 connie?
I think the time is right for a tier 5 connie - especially for those who love to RP etc... and want to be competitive using a Connie. I am all for variety, and a tier 5 connie simply adds to enhance gameplay.
If anything, it is time for a FEDERATION Lock Box - put the thing in there if need be.
Just out of curiosity, what makes you prefer to think that.
If you take a look at the Constitution Class you will not find much that is different from an Excelsior, Ambassador or Galaxy Class:
Saucer shaped habitat section - check
Bridge dome, probably exchangable - check
Deflector dish - check
Hole in the ships neck, facing forward, as a place for a torpedo launcher - check
Two big pods with huge heat radiators and forward facing permeable domes to house warp coils and bussard collectors - check
The only differences:
Excelsior allows for an extra flight deck, has a bigger ratio between warp nacelles volume and volume of the rest of the ship, has bigger heat radiators and bigger openings for Ion Thrusters (relative to the overall size of the ship)
Galaxy allows for 3 flight decks and is more compact, more robust (makes sense, since its also bigger).
Anything else is just bigger in scale.
The designs are almost identical from an engeneering point of view, just the size and the artstyle is different.
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Obviously the lack of any Constitution class in any other Star Trek series. If it was a decent ship design, then it would be in TNG and DS9. It takes time and effort to create a new ship design so it makes more sense to reuse old ship designs if it fits the needs of the military at the time. Therefore, since no new Constitutions were built, then there is some major design flaw. There is also the fact that the major refit of the TOS Enterprise in the 2270s almost completely replaced every single system making it no longer the Enterprise from the TOS, but a completely new ship for all intents and purposes. There is also the problem that there is no evidence of a Constitution ship in the 24th Century. Apparently, the refitted Enterprise was retired in the 2290s.
It was done, long ago in ancient times, that people just asked for a fleet cruiser retrofit without ye forbidden Constitution skin, and lo on ye 31st of July in the year 2012 dastahl spoke to us.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Thats it? We never saw a Connie on TNG, DS9 or Voyager and therefore it doesnt exist?
Did Starfleet stop hiring historians? Cause we never again heard of a Starfleet Officer with the speciality of Historian since the episode Space Seed.
Anyway, if I understand you corectly you would say that STO should only show stuff we saw in TNG, DS9 and Voyager?
Which is fine by me.
I'm surprised they haven't done it already to STO, not that I want that to happen, I enjoy this game.
Yet, time after time, it seems that Cryptic add things to STO that are beyond reason, case in point, our newly Dino arrivals. I think it's going a bit too far if you ask me. A simple matter like a tier 5 Connie shouldn't be a huge issue with CBS.
I'm all for it if they want to place it in a Lock Box, time for a Fed LBox anyways
Well except Wolf 359 and in"The Sound of her Voice" Also your point would apply to the T'varo, D'kyr and D7. None of them were seen past TOS or even Enterprise.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
D7 are used in DS9
system Lord Baal is dead
Nope, those are K't'ingas.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Depends on the agreement. Cryptic could pay a flat fee, or a combination of a flat fee and a percentage over a particular profit point; at which point CBS may alsom kick back some parts of the 'take' in reimbursed development costs or advertising costs, etc.
^^^
IE only Cryptic and CBS know the terms of the Star Trek MMO IP licensing deal; but I would be surprised if CBS didn't have a percentage option past a certain performance point.
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No I say that's the connie's bigger cousin the Federation class. Also again the KDF doesn't design ships as often as Starfleet. THey use the deisgn for it's good enough for them and just tech refit. While this can happen forthe connie the problem is that starfleet has younger designs that do those jobs better than the connie. by TNG the class is retired and mothballed in case they were ever needed again.
How was the Sao Paula better than the defiant? The ship you see in season 7 combat scenes are the same ones from Favor The Bold/Sacrifice of the angels, so it seems to me to be the exact same ship. :P
We have no evidence for that, but if I don't get my Fleet Exeter/Excalibur I'd love to take a Federation class dreadnought refit.
The D7 was never seen after TOS (except an ancient one in Voyager in the delta quadrant), and that's the only KDF ship I mentioned. The Romulans changed ships almost as frequently as the Federation, and the Vulcans went pacifist.
Younger designs like the Exclaibur, Vesper and Exeter?:D Otherwise, no the Federation doesn't have a good match for the Constitution. Other cruisers are bigger, slower and need a lot more crew. Starfleet retired the Constitution out of misguided design specifications due to an overlong period of peace.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Wait, so you're telling me that if it wasn't for CBS (killer of the Star Trek franchise and sucker of all things fun) we would possibly be in the middle of some sort of trekkie renaissance/golden age of awesomeness wherein we could lord over the Star Wars fans for generations.
CBBBBBBBBS! :mad: