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Dreadnought mobs, please!
psycoticvulcan
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I know this has been brought up before, but I would love to be able to place dreadnought mobs in space maps. When, if at all, could we see this functionality added to the Foundry?
If you (the devs) are concerned because dreadnoughts are generally more powerful than players, you don't need to be. Most Founders are smart enough to know that already, and will take it into account when building the mission.
If you (the devs) are concerned because dreadnoughts are generally more powerful than players, you don't need to be. Most Founders are smart enough to know that already, and will take it into account when building the mission.
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That would be real useful
Plus sometimes i would like to put in a Mob thats supposed to be nearly impossible to beat, and use it to discourage the player from going over to that location, without using an invisible wall
Sometimes i want to be able to put the player in a position where they are not in control, E.g nemesis , where the Enterprise is clearly outmatched and outgunned , i want the ability to put pressure on the player, force them to flee
This would be very useful for a mission I am in the process of building.
P.S. (And who hasn't wanted to see if their ship could take on a dreadnought one-on-one?)
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So what does everyone use to make a big, bad difficult boss ship? Sure it can be skinned as practically anything but what mob are you using to give that dramatic, epic duel between you and the villain? Curious to hear people's answers on this as it will be very useful in the later segments of my Uprising series.
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Give us Dreadnoughts.
The only problem is that that may be too much , i'm not entirely sure how it works with scaling, a battleship that spawns for a level 50 can be fairly nasty, two of them at elite difficulty might just be too much of a challenge
However i am tempted to make a mission with pairs of different faction battleships just to try it and see how i manage it, if it gives me a challenge it will be great, i don't like winning easily, it isn't fun ( sometimes i skin cruisers as Bops and put three in just to see how players react, i am a little mean )
One my currently building missions involves taking down a Dreadnought-level opponent, does help if it is actually a Dreadnought level-mob xD
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I would embrace the possibility to see those Breen Rezreth Destroyers more often, or the Fek'ihri Drek'hi Dreadnought, most dreadnoughts just appear in one or two Fleet actions, and they need to have more love shown to em.
Being a person who Specializes in taking on Dreadnoughts 1v1, i approve of this thread 30 times over.
(And yes i've been successful at it before, rarely getting defeated by a Dread legitimatly, the only one that beat me legitly would be the Tactical Cube, and i usually run from the Scimitar since it CLOAKS TOO MUCH.)
And if Cryptic is worried about Fairness Risk, they shouldn't be.
Im sure people will place friendly ships to support the player during a Dread fight, and/or other nessecary additions.
And im sure people would love experimenting with ways of fighting dreadnoughts 1v1.
WARNING: it takes HOURS depending on your ship and build, for my scimitar, it takes one hour or less, for my Galaxy-X, it takes three or four, for my Vo'quv, it typically takes one and a half.
While i understand the need to make Dreadnoughts "A Final confrontation of NOW or NEVER" kind of battle drama, in time, SOME people will feel inferior if they keep having NPC ships help them defeat such a foe, i felt this once, which inspired me to make "True Dreadnought Hunting" builds.
You'll be doing your community a favor by putting this in the Foundry, trust me Cryptic.
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i do have a borg cube mission (more for personal use than anything) that is just borg cubes...play it on elite only gets them to just about 100k hp each :"(
I hear ya, My Odyssey, Bortasqu, and Galaxy-X have all survived Scimitar Thalaron bursts (With half hull gone, though).
Makes me want to try such a thrilling, and risky stunt, AGAIN.
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"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing him or herself" - Leo Tolstoy
Speaking of which.. Before the Terradome mission vanished, i took on the Undine U.S.S. Poseidon and survived the whole battle with my Galaxy-X, if i recall, the Undine Poseidon had 1million-something Hull integrity.
ONE time, only ONE, i actually destroyed it.
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"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing him or herself" - Leo Tolstoy
Oh and Patrol Points for Contacts would be nice too.
That's an interesting way to approach it. I'm envisioning a set of sliders for like hit points, damage dealt, shield regen, etc, sliders that start at 100% and only go up. I like this idea.
That would be almost as godly as a Dread.
I like the idea.
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_____________________________
"M'Rel, Prepare to fire."
_____________________________
I miss the dream, The awakening has proven desperately needed, yet i miss the dream.
"In order to change an existing paradigm you do not struggle to try and change the problematic model. Rather, create a new model that makes the old one obsolete.” - Buckminster Fuller
"Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing him or herself" - Leo Tolstoy
For that matter, I'd also like the ability to customize weapon loadouts and other tech on NPC mobs (friend and foe alike). Currently, if I'm not mistaken, we're stuck with all beams of whichever energy type is the default for the mob's faction, but an escort with all beams is, to say the least, quite immersion-breaking for most players who have long since been trained to expect cannon loadouts on escorts.
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We really do need some kind of NPC customization feature to make battles longer and more interesting.
I especially would love where we can select which weapons and abilities we want NPCs to use. For instance, no Thalaron Weapons for Romulans or no saucer separation. Or NPCs not using Science abilities like Gravity wells when we want traditional Trek battles.
That is what i was thinking about, i would also like to see a slider to affect the size of a ship, within acceptable means of course, being able to create a huge but slow "Boss" would be nice...maybe a max of 150% size increase or whatever Cryptic used for the oversized Galaxy.
If that were to work, it'd probably have to have a certain number of powers and weapons to be allowed to be used as an NPC of whatever rank.
Maybe we could even make our own factions of groups of new species! That would be cool, and I'm sure that there are foundry authors that would probably want to do that. :cool:
Being able to increase NPC's hull HP and stuff with a slider sounds like a cool idea too. Though, having the option to make an NPC incapable of death would be nice too, that way if the foundry author wants a ship to help the player in combat and have a 100% chance to survive, or to have an unbeatable enemy to convince a player to not go in a certain direction, they could do that.
Winning.
Oh, now don't tell me you want in on all this! Well, ok. Look this that Egg Pawn hanging outside your window, pointing his laser rifle at you, waiting for my next order. He's doing his part. He helps conquer the weak-minded. He roboticizes the weak-bodied. Heck, he even helps keep the useless people from causing any trouble, but you know what? Join. Find the closest Nataran Empire roboticization center near you and join the ranks, before the ranks find you. Oh, I know, you figure it must be so satisfying to know I basically rule the world now, and you know what? It is, but do you want to know the true definition of satisfaction? Well, let me tell you a little story. One day, you see a brand new event. They're giving out boxes that give old event stuff. Your dilithium is plentiful. You buy a whole lot of Phoenix packs on your main, and open them all. You get one epic token. Then, you decide, that since you have all the Breen ships and don't give a damn about the others, you exchange it for an ultra rare, and grab yourself a Jem'Hadar Attack Ship and for the hell of it, a Voth Bulwark. You open both, leaving the Bulwark in your vast masses of starships as you jump into the bugship and deck it out, deck by deck, into the most awesome Jem'Hadar ship you can. You fly it. You enjoy it. Eventually, you get bored and leave, leaving the old Bulwark never flown... until later. Your main is long complete. Your new alt main, based off some character you pulled out of nothing just to explain away some starship being in service without the command of your dear admiral, is also complete. Mostly. Their reps and doffs are hard at work, getting you stuff. You realize the potential, and head back for your dear admiral, pull the most Voth themed build you can out of thin air, and suit up in your giant ship in the shape of you know what. You head out... and cause all sorts of havoc. Enemies scream out your name as their very life is drained away by your swarms of Aceton Assimilators. They complain to the devs of your OPness when you revive yourself from death every time you die. Do you show any form of mercy? No. After all, this isn't the United Federation of Planets, this is mother frakkin' Starfleet, where you explore strange new worlds and kick butt never kicked before. Oh, and you realize that I just wrote another speech rivaling your own signature. Cool. Oh, wait, that's just the original draft, it is part of my signature now. Oh, and yes, I am aware that I have become a Canadian Regent; one day, sooner than you'd expect, we'll suddenly decide to take over the world and declare an "alliance", and I shall become it's Regent. You know, like the Klingon-Cardassian Alliance in the mirror universe of our beloved Star Trek. Oh, who'll we be taking over with? I dunno, maybe [REDACTED], or maybe aliens from outer space. Guess you'll have to wait and find out, won't we? Until then, don't ask too many questions, or else my Breen allies on Titania might pick up on your -- [REDACTED BY BREEN CONFEDERACY FOR REASONS] Also, psst... keep an eye out for flying Tribbles! Also walls. Big, great walls, separating entire continents apart. Walls patrolled by Tribbles. Flying Tribbles. Flying Nukara Tribbles. Don't worry, it's not like they were on Venus with a herd of Tholians or anything, they just like the extreme heat and brutal weather like acid rain and hurricane force winds as the norm. Oh, and definitely keep your eye out on any two-tailed foxes, because if they ain't glowing, they're definitely an imposter. Possibly an Undine, we caught one of those once in my place once. Oh, and if you find a two-tailed fox that doesn't like the cold... most certainly ask him to say sorry. If he refuses, DESTROY HIM WITH A DOOMSDAY MACHINE, BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE ENOUGH AGAINST SUCH AN OVERPOWERED IMPOSTER!
tr;dr, I am winning last post wins 3.0. Thank you for your time.
As it is, all the battles that take place in any Foundry missions are just a tedious and tiresome waste of time. With all the power creep going on there's no challenge to be found anywhere in the solo PvE content anymore. Dreadnought mobs could at least partially make up for it, especially if players would be able to tweak their abilities a little.
I realise most PvE content is supposed to be "doable" by a newbie player, but it hurts all the experienced players as a result. Recently it's getting to the point where one player can solo an entire STF. You can only imagine what happens with generic solo pve mobs...
So, yeah, Dreadnoughts and other "boss-type" enemies for the foundry please.