Costumes are a complete mess

braahn · July 2013

As the title says. Costumes really need a minor overhaul, the matching of pieces is a complete mess!
You can go barefoot, but only if wearing Off Duty - Pants- Knee High
You can wear Romulan civilian shirt, but only as part of a uniform
Depending on pants the selection of belts, boots and other leg wear is completely arbitrary.
The same goes for shirts.

I do understand the desire to keep uniforms and off-duty wear separate, but I really think you need to rethink and reconfigure a LOT of the combinations allowed, ESPECIALLY when it comes to off-duty/formal wear. Maybe going as far as setting off-duty to "every combination allowed, user is responsible for avoiding clipping"

Anyone else have feedback on this, or other weird combinations of restrictions?

lan451 · July 2013

To be honest, the entire tailor is a disaster zone. It's like someone detonated a Tricobalt warhead and never bothered to clean up the mess.

As you said we have pieces that can only be used with certain pieces. Pieces in a costume set have different color palettes so coordinating matching colors becomes difficult if not impossible in some cases. Hell some of them like the Fed-Rom boots on my Liberated Borg don't even have a color palette. There's only one shade of brown. Then we have hairstyles not being available on certain species for some random unknown reason, male and female costume counterparts missing options (Romulan Tal-Shiar belt/chest strap for example), and of course no facial hair for Romulan males. Not to mention all the clipping and color bleeding...ugh.

It's just bad and needs a full revamp. Oh and give me back my undo/redo buttons Cryptic. Seriously.

steamwright · July 2013

lan451 wrote: »

To be honest, the entire tailor is a disaster zone. It's like someone detonated a Tricobalt warhead and never bothered to clean up the mess.

As you said we have pieces that can only be used with certain pieces. Pieces in a costume set have different color palettes so coordinating matching colors becomes difficult if not impossible in some cases. Hell some of them like the Fed-Rom boots on my Liberated Borg don't even have a color palette. There's only one shade of brown. Then we have hairstyles not being available on certain species for some random unknown reason, male and female costume counterparts missing options (Romulan Tal-Shiar belt/chest strap for example), and of course no facial hair for Romulan males. Not to mention all the clipping and color bleeding...ugh.

It's just bad and needs a full revamp. Oh and give me back my undo/redo buttons Cryptic. Seriously.

^ all this.

I've always managed to find a work-around until I started my Reman. I had issues with my Romulan, but for some reason, the Reman with the same crew is proving impossible to create a consistent uniform for the crew. And the "load outfit only" button is not working for me. I'd love to acquire a few more costume choices, but why shell out money for zen when I'll likely have a repeat of the current broken conditions.

r0y0 · July 2013

I never really played STO, even though on one of my account I bought lifetime... that said, I just started playing it this week.

I started as a Romulan (went KDF). All I can say is: I did not know what I was missing until I rolled a Starfleet toon.

Wow. I kind of suspected the little eye icons next to armors were supposed to work; I just figured they did not. At least for Romulan and KDF characters. Seems fine and working for Starfleet (even when body types and clothing are basically the same). I mean, sure, for a GORN, maybe it's hard to get it right, so they gave up. I can get that. But a Romulan is how much different from a Vulcan?

Then there's the whole "KDF Costume Bug" (I learned this as I ran into it HARD on my Romulan toon). Not only was this supposedly fixed (it was not), but it hits Romulans harder somehow. So basically all my frustration with costumes (which I ultimately just threw up my hands and said, I don't give a TRIBBLE anymore) is really not a problem on the Starfleet side of the game.

As for the OP's "minor" overhaul. If all it was were mis-matched pieces and super-dumb color pallet limitations, I'd agree: MINOR overhaul.

As things stand now, I have to wonder if the original costume team has long ago left or gave up, and it's just limp along and throw TRIBBLE up in the cash-shop that is generally not costume-specific.

With Cryptic's track record, I do not expect this to ever be resolved, it would be nice if it was removed (pruned down) to lessen the headache factor of both the end user and the support staff.

wraithshadow13 · July 2013

I have to agree that the whole thing is in quite a terrible state at the moment, way too many things are just not working as they should be. My Rom/fed outfit clips one the back any time i raise my arms, there's a lot of new rom hair with bald patches, Remans don't look like they do in the movie, and the biggest issue for me is none of the skin are fully body minus gorn, caitian, and Trill. As a lifer most of my characters are borg or use the borg skin since Vulcans can't be borg apparently, but it ends terribly at the neck so any and all open options look terrible.

When they did their Character creator 2.0, all they did was change the UI appearance, hardly a reason to call it 2.0. I agree that they need to go back and fix a lot of the issues with it and give the character creator a proper overhaul in terms of actually creating characters and how they look.

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f9thaceshigh · July 2013

once you set a costume to a different category, it should stay fixed. The problem is with editing a particular costume for the first time since the revamp, the tailor doesn't remember what category an outfit was before the revamp, so you have to reset it, but once you've got it reset it should stay. And you'll find that all the color choices on the regular costume pieces should still be correct, you'll just have to fix the colors on all the attached pieces.

yreodred · July 2013

the most obvious thing that bothers me is the enabled Head/face options (on each side of the Character) when cutomizing body or uniform. I find this very annoying, and it just takes away space and is just distracting IMO.
If i want to edit face and head i got to the appropriate tab.

I agree with all other things you guys already mentioned.

badname834854 · July 2013

A feature that would make everyone happy would simply be having section with 'Sub Palettes" Example (Standard Uniform, Off Duty and Romulan) This way you can keep it consistent if you want, or go all over the place with the colors and have fun.

In any case, I feel the ENTIRE PALETTE should be opened up to all types of costumes (Duty, Off Duty/Formal and Armors)

organicmanfred · July 2013

... and for the love of God, Cryptic, please get rid of those 2 face and hair template columns at the character tailor. They take away a lot of sight and I often mistakenly hit one of those buttons.

THANK YOU!!

ozzyracer · July 2013

i noticed today that on my kdf romulan i now have a eye patch i didn't have b4 the last patch so that's something i guess

knarfle · October 2013

Ok let's see. Cryptic..... you need to go to DC Online and check out the costuming there. The way it is set up is wonderful. Head, chest, hands, face, feet, legs, back, accessory and weapon. These fields are all areas where you can gather styles for your character. Each item has a color palate. You have 3 main colors but each piece of gear can have 3 slots where you decide what color goes where.

Where the heck are the pieces of gear for our characters? Where are the holiday costumes? Where are the Halloween costumes? Where are the Christmas jingle hats, the jester outfits, the scary ghost costumes? Why cant a Trill wear a Klingon baldric? What about jeans, kilts, brocaded shirts? How about different styles, such as; steampunk, cyberpunk and hippy or even burlesque?

Heck why not go whole hog and give us a tailor shop where we can design our own cloths? After all isn't that what a tailor would do for you in real life? Is it really all that hard to give us more selection for outfits? And what is this, about limiting what we wear in our off time? Why not let us have a place where we can design our own costumes? People do it all the time. Just look at the sims..... lots of free mods for new clothing styles for the sims. I bet that if you added this feature it would really interest a LOT of people.

Heck let us post our newly designed clothing on the exchange with previews. I am sure that would generate a lot of attention too. Best of all you would only have to design the system for making clothing fairly simple for the public and then sit back and let the fans make the fashion..... Take a good look at sims 3. the way you can add textures to the clothing and the wide variation on style would be a wonderful addition.

Now for the carrot. Make the new tailor shop an add-on for sale for cash. That way the players end up paying you for the privilege of designing outfits for you, and saving you a massive headache. Of course in order to use the tailor shop we would have to sign an agreement waiving our rights to any content designed by your program.

Now for the stick. Look the game is pretty cool, but the devil is in the details. You got it running, now you just need to expand your focus group a little. You have lots of combat in the game, but there is so much more to Star trek than shooting things! Gene would be happy to see that his imaginings have become an online mmorpg, but do you think he would be happy about things like the state of costuming in this game. Your attention has been requested.

An overhaul is required to make this system work right.

cookiecrook · October 2013

lan451 wrote: »

To be honest, the entire tailor is a disaster zone. It's like someone detonated a Tricobalt warhead and never bothered to clean up the mess.

As you said we have pieces that can only be used with certain pieces. Pieces in a costume set have different color palettes so coordinating matching colors becomes difficult if not impossible in some cases. Hell some of them like the Fed-Rom boots on my Liberated Borg don't even have a color palette. There's only one shade of brown. Then we have hairstyles not being available on certain species for some random unknown reason, male and female costume counterparts missing options (Romulan Tal-Shiar belt/chest strap for example), and of course no facial hair for Romulan males. Not to mention all the clipping and color bleeding...ugh.

It's just bad and needs a full revamp. Oh and give me back my undo/redo buttons Cryptic. Seriously.

I completely agree!

dirlettia · October 2013

I would just be happy if my KDF Romulan would actually be able to use more than 1 of her 4 Costume slots. No ticket submitted about me being able to access them has even been responded to since submission.

mandoknight89 · October 2013

knarfle wrote: »

Ok let's see. Cryptic..... you need to go to DC Online and check out the costuming there. The way it is set up is wonderful. Head, chest, hands, face, feet, legs, back, accessory and weapon. These fields are all areas where you can gather styles for your character. Each item has a color palate. You have 3 main colors but each piece of gear can have 3 slots where you decide what color goes where.

Where the heck are the pieces of gear for our characters? Where are the holiday costumes? Where are the Halloween costumes? Where are the Christmas jingle hats, the jester outfits, the scary ghost costumes? Why cant a Trill wear a Klingon baldric? What about jeans, kilts, brocaded shirts? How about different styles, such as; steampunk, cyberpunk and hippy or even burlesque?

Most of these are likely categorically denied by CBS. Champions is this way.

knarfle wrote: »

Heck why not go whole hog and give us a tailor shop where we can design our own cloths? After all isn't that what a tailor would do for you in real life? Is it really all that hard to give us more selection for outfits? And what is this, about limiting what we wear in our off time? Why not let us have a place where we can design our own costumes? People do it all the time. Just look at the sims..... lots of free mods for new clothing styles for the sims. I bet that if you added this feature it would really interest a LOT of people.

Heck let us post our newly designed clothing on the exchange with previews. I am sure that would generate a lot of attention too. Best of all you would only have to design the system for making clothing fairly simple for the public and then sit back and let the fans make the fashion..... Take a good look at sims 3. the way you can add textures to the clothing and the wide variation on style would be a wonderful addition.

You have no idea what kind of a nightmare this would be for licensing... and an in-game interface to create outfit designs outside of the given pieces is right out.

capnshadow27 · October 2013

I agree with a lot of this, especially the opening of the color palette to ALL of the outfits. If i want all red or all gold maco armor i should get to have it, it isnt a costume unlock because it makes it wearable, especially at the cost of the unlock. So if i unlock the armor i get to wear it? awesome so i can do what i would do by equipping it.....genius.

Also this thread is trying to rise from the dead. It should be killed with fire, but i support the idea, so keept it going and start a zombie apocalypse....

crusty8mac · October 2013

steamwright wrote: »

^ all this.

I've always managed to find a work-around until I started my Reman. I had issues with my Romulan, but for some reason, the Reman with the same crew is proving impossible to create a consistent uniform for the crew. And the "load outfit only" button is not working for me. I'd love to acquire a few more costume choices, but why shell out money for zen when I'll likely have a repeat of the current broken conditions.

All this, plus I'll add that my Reman also has problems making consistent uniforms for the crew. Same costume, different color combinations allowed. WTF?

wraithshadow13 · October 2013

knarfle wrote: »

Ok let's see. Cryptic..... you need to go to DC Online and check out the costuming there. The way it is set up is wonderful. Head, chest, hands, face, feet, legs, back, accessory and weapon. These fields are all areas where you can gather styles for your character. Each item has a color palate. You have 3 main colors but each piece of gear can have 3 slots where you decide what color goes where.

Where the heck are the pieces of gear for our characters? Where are the holiday costumes? Where are the Halloween costumes? Where are the Christmas jingle hats, the jester outfits, the scary ghost costumes? Why cant a Trill wear a Klingon baldric? What about jeans, kilts, brocaded shirts? How about different styles, such as; steampunk, cyberpunk and hippy or even burlesque?

Heck why not go whole hog and give us a tailor shop where we can design our own cloths? After all isn't that what a tailor would do for you in real life? Is it really all that hard to give us more selection for outfits? And what is this, about limiting what we wear in our off time? Why not let us have a place where we can design our own costumes? People do it all the time. Just look at the sims..... lots of free mods for new clothing styles for the sims. I bet that if you added this feature it would really interest a LOT of people.

Heck let us post our newly designed clothing on the exchange with previews. I am sure that would generate a lot of attention too. Best of all you would only have to design the system for making clothing fairly simple for the public and then sit back and let the fans make the fashion..... Take a good look at sims 3. the way you can add textures to the clothing and the wide variation on style would be a wonderful addition.

Now for the carrot. Make the new tailor shop an add-on for sale for cash. That way the players end up paying you for the privilege of designing outfits for you, and saving you a massive headache. Of course in order to use the tailor shop we would have to sign an agreement waiving our rights to any content designed by your program.

Now for the stick. Look the game is pretty cool, but the devil is in the details. You got it running, now you just need to expand your focus group a little. You have lots of combat in the game, but there is so much more to Star trek than shooting things! Gene would be happy to see that his imaginings have become an online mmorpg, but do you think he would be happy about things like the state of costuming in this game. Your attention has been requested.

An overhaul is required to make this system work right.

Champions has always had the better character creation process than DCUO, hands down. While DCUO may hanve the better art style (jim lee) the actual ability to just jump in and design a hero, even in just looks (although power setup is infinitely better in co too) than the CO design is way better. STO has a lot of the features, but is definitely lacking in many ways, one of which is the lack of custom skins, going anywhere other than the head. How such a glaring issue has been allowed to exist for so long, let alone being part of the promotional photos, is beyond me. I personally would love it if they added more of CO's options to STO, in terms of building a better character. The body options alone in CO would go a great distance in STO, like being able to add or decrease muscle tone, altering tail length individually, better options for lengths and widths.

They should have redone all of this for LOR when they supposedly "Re-did the entire Character creator". It really would just add that much more depth to the game and making our characters (captains and boffs) that much better.

Costumes are a complete mess

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