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Avenger Art Appreciation
mreeves7a
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I'd like to take a moment and give my compliments to the artist(s) responsible for the Avenger. While the lines of the Avenger aren't to everyone's taste, you can't argue that the Avenger model is one of the most finely detailed in game. The phaser arrays are clean and identifiable, the underside turret hard-points truly look like the multipurpose emitter they are, and the addition of the ablative armor animation is amazing. My favorite bit is the segmented deflector; when entering Red Alert, the vessel's ablative armor protects the outer sections, leaving just the center section exposed.
I hope that the Avenger's model is merely the beginning of a new level of detail to be put into the in-game ship models.
I hope that the Avenger's model is merely the beginning of a new level of detail to be put into the in-game ship models.
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Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
The armor covering up the windows and field grilles is a great little detail, btw.
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I'd still like to see the Typhoon as a playable Dreadnought Carrier. Since they'd obviously have to scrap and replace the model, a huge ship styled similarly to this would would be very appropriate.
So true, I can imagine the design process.
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Would also be nice to get the dark hull and windows available as maybe a c-store unlock on other ships. A galaxy and star cruiser would look great.
I think it looks hot as hell. That is with the Borg Assimilated Set.
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At least it would be a nice alternative, which would help the ship not look so tiny anymore IMO.
The last fed ship I liked the overall design of was the Regent, before that probably the thunderchild class. I could count the number of Cryptic original fed designs I like on two hands.
I should give credit where it's due though. The nook shelter area on top of engineering hull looks cool and has a nice little tribute to TMP era design just like its superior sister the regent. The thin slit of blue lighting under the main glow is pretty cool too and every nacelle should have some sweet fins like the Avenger. The top of the saucer is probably the best area on the whole ship, the plating, phasers and colored areas all flow really well together. The dual deflectors look great and functional too. (considering deflectors have line of sight abilities in game and in canon too)
The main deflector is kind of cool but it just doesn't flow with the ship at all. You can tell that the dreadnaught class was really shoving its way into this design there, and that's probably the biggest problem with the ship over all. It's just screaming "look at all these layers" in exactly the same place the vengence did in JJ2. As much as I will love using this sort of reference work in my Connie tirades I still wish the JJ element was left out of the game because those ships are hideous from almost every angle. Blunt nacelles and a stubby hull are the two other criminal inspirations you can easily see.
The one thing the JJ Vengeance had going for it was the hard bend in the pylons. Unfortunately that went missing from the cryptic Avenger because they were probably getting close to lawsuit territory. Despite being bent, the Vengence pylons were stubby which made sure even some good ideas couldn't stop the ship from looking like junk. The Avenger pylons at least captured the spirit of the vengence pylons and look terrible too. Forward swept pylons are a crime only the Galaxy family really got away with. You can tell me that they work well with the over all motiff of a combat ship, but that just opens up another can of worms.
The Defiant, Steamrunner, and Galaxy class ships were all somewhat stubbly or compact. According to the designers the defiant and Steamrunner class ships both had primary roles in combat just like the Avenger. These designs looked great despite simplicity or bluntness because they were consistent and purpose built. The Defiant was a diamond from the top view which was fitting and balanced. The Defiant and Akira bridges both have enclaves protecting them from the sides, only the tipy top of the steamrunner bridge goes above its enclave. The Avenger tries to give its bridge module an enclave, but only partially succeeds in a manner that is purely speculative. The dual deflectors could have some protective purpose but their defensive qualities are only confirmed for being used in debris protection. In the game a deflector can heal things but what good is a repaired bridge after the crew has been vaporized? Putting the dual neck on the ship was another functional flaw, as far as we have been told dual necks were for slip stream travel enhancement. Exposing so much of the forward weaponrys components didn't make any sense either when that stuff is usually housed internally. jamming weapon power through the pylons and nacelles isn't lending itself to the idea of a tough combat ship either, on one pair of pylons they're throwing impulse power into the mix too.
The bulbous Avenger bridge area contrasts both the combatitive nature of the vessel and it's stubby angular hull qualities. It flows with the saucer well, but the saucer doesn't flow with anything else. The Galaxy was a successful design ideologically because it's spaghetti plate saucer clashed against forward movement and into the squishy remains of the design. The Intrepid class is probably the closest thing thing to what the Avenger tries to accomplish, it's got short nacelles, a stubby body and a long saucer. But on the Intrepid class everything is smooth, there is no neck, and the nacelles barely escape the ships silhouette.
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When they released the vet ship they gave the contest entry participant credit for the design.
They didn't do that for this ship and they stole the name of another ship to make it sound similar to the vengence.
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So remarkably similar when viewed side by side that it seems a might bit more than coincidence, they certainly look more alike than the Avenger does to the Vengance, which had a Ring saucer and completely different Profile
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I mean the styling is similar weapon ports, armour that deploys over vunarable areas is very similar, but the profile and shape are just not the same, Vengence is thinner, much more spread out, where avenger is squat and bulky
The Vengence has much taller and wider pylons, with no tapering along the back of the neck to the stern like the Avenger, instead a sharp angle change
Also where the contest entry and the Avenger model share egg shaped saucers sitting ontop of a neck which melds smoothly into the secondary hull, the Vengence has a Circular saucer attached by a clearly defined neck more akin to a constitution vessel
It shares some similar qualities with the design but those qualities are shared with a lot of ships. I'm not seeing any similarities in weapon hard points. Il believe you when they change the name back, give the artist credit, and delete the blog where they talk about designing the whole ship.
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I was on the fence, I kinda liked the design but felt the secondary hull was too clunky.
Actually flying it finally won me over. It is truly a battlecruiser.
For the Avenger i would have preferred if we would have got some alternatives like the T5 Heavy Cruiser has. A additional ellipse shaped saucer would have been a nice alternative for the very small and narrow looking saucer of the Avenger IMO.
To be honest i really miss the lack of options new ships Cryptic releases. The ship designer always was one of my favourite things to experiment with in STO, but Cryptic decided to just pop out more and more different ships witout giving them any options to speak of. Sad really.
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A Steamrunner like saucer (maybe even a bit wider) would be really cool for the avenger IMO.
Loving it, there are a few features not to my taste like the Pylon attaching too far forward of the nacelle
However I am loving the Deflector , the design is simply fantastic, not just for the Red Alert change when the Glowing sections go dark leaving the centre active, i just love the way its mounted to the hull, the way in which its set into the hull looks great to me