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is a Gorn revolution nigh?
vetteguy904
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let's face it. it's clear the gorn are not happy campers. they are a subjugated species. suddenly, here are the Voth, a technological saurian species? who is to say if the voth don't embrace the gorn as a long lost brother? for all we know, they are!
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In this case I'm assuming that "non-indigenous" means "anything not Voth." If they did accept the Gorn, they would most likely still be subjugated since they aren't considered equals. It would just be trading one master for another, with no guarantee that the new master will treat them any better.
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but have the voth run across another saurian species? and to take it a step further... could the saurians become a fifth column within the federation? with a Saurian president it could open up a whole new arena of diplomacy/dialog ( NO COMBAT) story arc which many are drooling for.
That I'm not sure on. If the Voth really did come from Earth and have been in space for millions of years, I would say it's a likely possibility that they met other saurian species. Of course there's no canon evidence that they have or what any interactions with those species might have been like.
From the Gorn's perspective, I would think that it depends on how well the conflict between the KDF/Feds and the Voth go. If the KDF starts seriously whoopin' some Voth backsides, the Gorn might not want to hook up with the losing side. After all, right now they may be subjugated, but they do have enough standing in the Empire to become representatives (S'tass) and captain starships (player Gorn captains). I would think that the Voth would have to offer them something substantial, such as equality, in order for the Gorn to attempt to defect. But then there's that pesky Doctrine stating that all non-indigenous species are not equals...so it might be possible, but I'm leaning more towards unlikely.
As for negotiations with the Feds...I'm thinking the incident with Voyager has the Voth not all that excited to sit down with them. "You defied Doctrine and tried to destroy our culture once, you will do so again." I'm all for more diplomatic gameplay, I'm just not sure that the Voth are the right species to pursue that with.
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but then again that would mean switching gorn ships to KDF alot of red tape...wouldnt work though would make for some interesting FEs.
Caitian and Ferasan are both mamalian and the same specie, yet they hate each others.
Human and Klingon are mamalians, and they are at war.
Vulcan and Romulan are both mamalian, ans the same specie, and they hate each others.
Also, the Voth are some kind of zealous and xenophobic idiots. Like a middle age inquisitor. Why would they make friends with another race ? Even if it's another reptilian race.
If the Gorn start a revolution or something, they will be on their own. Maybe they'll receive support from the fed, but no reptilian cross species friendship.
we feds would take the voth but gorn no ty :P
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i found this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjuptfaTqyo
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Given the Kassae mission, where Gorn ancestors had a large ancient empire, I could see the Gorn end up being related somehow to the Voth. Like they were a co evolved species on Earth and they only cooperated to escape the incoming devastation of the Earth, and had to separate due to their ancient heritage (one being the descendant of Herbivores and another Carinvores.) Or the Gorn were descendant of Voth who went on their own path and grew to be aggressive.
However, in either case, having the Gorn come from Earth or related to the Voth would likely anger the Star Trek community. So then I would say that the Voth and Ancient Gorn were two reptilian species that encountered one another in space and they had a falling out and ended up warring against one another, where the Ancient Gorn won, but their empire was so devastated that they retreated to the Gorn homeworld, while the Voth escaped into Deep Space.
Even if there is no connection, I could see the Voth learning about the Gorn and lending their aid, since their Doctrine says that Reptilians are superior and having the Gorn ruled by the Klingons would be against Doctrine.
.......But........then again wasn't Klingons descendants of some kind of lizard creature? (TNG: Genesis)
Then what happened to Ancient Gorn technology...not saying they have to be as advanced as the Voth...but don't you think there would be some type of technology?
On that train of thought what about Cardassians? Aren't they least partly reptilian based? I mean they have scales and prefer the warmth.
With the Ancient Gorn........I have no idea, that's Kestrel's Department if she had any elaboration on what happened to the Ancient Gorn. All I remember is that in the Kassae mission is the Gorn were trying to assert claim on the world saying it was a world of the Ancient Gorn.
Cardassians, indeed were descendant of reptilians.
That said, I'm not sure I'd want to see a Gorn revolution. Mostly because I'd have to replace practically all of my Gorn's bridge crew. And an officer's commission, especially that of a high tier officer, can be expensive.
There we go then! After this war with the Voth is over they help the Cardassians rebuild and we will have our next semi faction...Cardassians and Voth as playable species! Not that it would happen in a million years but sounds like fun.
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1. (Metagame) they aren't going to remove a race from one of the factions for gameplay reasons of course.
2. (Lore) although the Gorn are a subject race that was recently conquered many of them strangely seem to have fully embraced the Klingons. The klingons are even slowly giving them position and responsibility in the empire and considering giving them representation on the High Council. There seems to be a kind of mutual respect deep down under the animosity. Although there are separatist groups, that is true of almost all nations.
Saurians have been active in the Fedaration for a long time, and have never been friendly with the Gorn just because of similar ancestry. Same for the Voth. There is no reason to think the xenophobic Voth would compromise their Doctrine for the sake of an unlikely zoological relationship. These are extremely different cultures with completely different alien biochemistry and intergalactic geography.
But yes, the Gorn should be their own empire again.
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The Voth are descended from dinosaurs, not reptiles. Dinosaurs are more closely related to birds than reptiles.