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captainbailey
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WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!
that's my first reaction to this and a complete appropriate one to say the least. I was in azure nebula and doing it the easiest way I sat below the trapped ship and released them as it spawned. In no way was I AFK, how could I, I was releasing the ships as they spawned. Hell I even chatted a few times in the team chat. When the event was over I go to queue up another event and I have a AFK Penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO MUCH FOR FURTHER TESTING OF THIS. HOW WAS I EVEN AFK? I RELEASED MORE SHIPS THAN MY TEAMMATES. WHAT KIND OF TRIBBLE IS THIS!
that's my first reaction to this and a complete appropriate one to say the least. I was in azure nebula and doing it the easiest way I sat below the trapped ship and released them as it spawned. In no way was I AFK, how could I, I was releasing the ships as they spawned. Hell I even chatted a few times in the team chat. When the event was over I go to queue up another event and I have a AFK Penalty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SO MUCH FOR FURTHER TESTING OF THIS. HOW WAS I EVEN AFK? I RELEASED MORE SHIPS THAN MY TEAMMATES. WHAT KIND OF TRIBBLE IS THIS!
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Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
REALLY I CANT???????
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lets just say im more than pissed that I was far from afk and I got hit with this penalty. let alone this penalty is supposedly not "active" yet either
Zounds!
yeah, you can be totally useless shooting invincible gates in kase/ise and probes in cse but hey you wont be AFK but you can be releasing ships in azure; helping score points but count as AFK because you didn't "shoot" anything.
BTW: how is my issue getting fixed?????? I still have my ban for no reason what so ever. free zen? free item? ?????
Thanks for posting the screen -- I will pass it along to the team so they can investigate.
Cheers,
Brandon =/\=
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yeah and it sucks we get stuck with 2 hours of non play when we did just as much work as the rest of the team; sometimes more than others. what is worse this isn't suppose to even be active yet on holodeck.
its more than a mixup. something was clearly said to not be added was. ok fine, but now I cant play for 2 hours. I had plans to get marks for that toon to do the rep system and now I cant because I am blocked due to this. that is why I am upset. not to mention the fact I wasn't afk at all.
I think your misreading what I said. Obviously I can log in and play but what I can not do is public queue for 2 hours. I cant solo anything for romulan marks, nukara marks, or omega marks from the public queue. While yes I can make private queues it is not truly viable to make private matches of azure, vault, atmosphere, etc over and over for marks.
I bet we can all see an emergency maintenance sometime soon to remove this from the system.
Alternate (70% tin-foil) theory. Cryptic knew this system needed lots of testing to winnow out false positives, and they knew they weren't going to get it on Redshirt. So they "accidentally" release it (maybe for just a couple of maps) to Holodeck. Oops!
lol I think you might be right. well for now im going to stay away from azure nebula. no need to take 2 hour penalties for doing work.
If this is primarily happening in Azure then yeah, I'm going to avoid it for a while.
While I have joined many others in calling for an AFK penalty or a vote to kick option, this TRIBBLE-up confirms my worst fears: that innocent players will be hit. Thankfully, it sounds like the devs are going to take some time to fine-tune the system, and I hope they take all the time that is needed to get it right. Perfect would be asking too much, but hopefully it'll be thought-out.
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Sounds like you were "cherry picking"
When on a TEAM, I'd expect WE would engage the Tholians then WE would set the jailed birds free.
If there was a vote in place, you would have gotten mine.
Another scenario a player would get my vote is the player that floats off in the distance watching you bring down a Cube's shields and hull before swooping in and delivering the killshot(s).
Cherry Pickers, imo, are just as bad as a Leech/AFKer.
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Its good to see that some players out there do get how to properly play Azure Nebula. By far this is the best and most efficient way to do this mission. 3 players can release ships solo and the last ship that requires 2 players can be done with the 2 remaining. this would ensure that Azure Nebula always completes with highest marks, unfortunately that almost never happens. We see that by the fact of the other poster would rather vote people out than play properly.
Also, its good to see support from other players that its wrong from cryptic to have something that was clearly not suppose to be active on holodeck live restricting players from playing for no reason. of course I never expected to receive anything but as you stated it would be a nice gesture for their blatant TRIBBLE up in this matter.
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Oh, I know how to play.
It sounds like both of you are trying to defend an exploit.
It's similar to a Leech in the CC event I saw.
The Leech just sat there at spawn and it's like the NPCs didn't target him because he didn't budge.
Maybe the same thing is happening, if so then Rescue needs to be reworked.
I'm not advocating a vote because it can be abused by a marauding horde of Leechers/Griefers seeking revenge for making them actually earn their rewards.
I think nothing short of gameplay video and some penalty at the account level will end Leeching/AFKers.
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No, no it isn't. In this case, you have a guy attempting to leech the rewards without actually doing anything. In Azure, you have a guy who is working at doing the actual mission objectives: Rescuing ships. That he doesn't engage in any unnecessary fighting is not wrong. In fact, no matter HOW you do it, even if you think the fighting should occur anyway, someone STILL has to rescue the ships, and you cannot do so while shooting.
*nose twitches* you read the OP, didn't you?
By design (at least to me) the Tholian defensive/security/sentry screen has holes in it. Without getting into too much detail, I'd keep my larger ships by the captured Romulan vessel and extend my smaller ships out into a cone around me as a picket line. This would extend my engagement range, identify the threat axis, and move in with my heavier ships for the kill. Anyway, I digress. Players should not be penalized for using some strategy/tactics in this game. Azure Nebula has three basic strategies.
1) Traditional method, kick the door down, shoot everything up, and then free the Romulan ship.
2) Split the force. One players drags/distracts the security screen, player two deals with the tractor beams.
3) As stated previously, there is the alternative method of "sneaking in" and cutting them out from under the tholian "noses". Basically try to disable the tractor beams at maximum range and hope the security screen does notice you. There are a few wrinkles to this one basic on ship capabilities. I will not discuss this further here as it's not the place to do so.
AFK would be a player who joins an STF and basically parks a ship, letting everyone else do the work. Causing DPS does not necessarily mean AFK depending on the mission parameters. I think a better "AFK" rule needs to be implemented.
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It's great to see a flawed and failed system implemented placing bans on good players with no response from cryptic other than, "we're investigating."
Actually, that's a pretty standard response under any circumstances. Given that it's clear they didn't do this on purpose, now they have to flail around trying to find what the hell they did. That's "investigating".
I can handle the Tholian alone, I don't need others to waste time. Also, by "helping" me, they loose time, which mean less reward in the end. I'm there for the reward, not killing tholians with others.
Teamplay is more than killing stuff together, it's working as a team to complete objective. Me killing Tholian, while you save the bird (objective) is teamplay. Following me like a carrier pet, and DPSing the Tholian is not.
How many people are affect ? 10 ? 100 ? Probably no more. And it's not a really important matter. It seems to affect azure nebula only. And it's just a 2h CD, nothing more. No items loss/gain, no huge exploit...
It's not worth a 2h emergency maintenance, that will probably affect thousands who will come screaming on the forums. Claim they don't care about azure nebula rescue, how they planned to play, and how they want free zen/whatever.
Just like you, but on the other side of the fence.
Does the strategy "game the system" to make the mission easier? Yes. Is this an exploit? No. Far more so than running in and gunning everything down like a drunken Klingon in a room full of tribbles, the strategy requires both skill and teamwork, and rewards the players accordingly. This kind of lateral thinking is something that I wish more missions rewarded over pure DPS.
It isn't cherry picking, it's getting into position for a long pass that could get your team a touchdown, or stealing 2nd base so that a base hit could turn into an RBI. Calling it cherry picking is being ignorant of how the game is scored. Sometimes, that's all they can do. There's a lot of bugs that haven't been fixed because they haven't yet tracked down the actual source or managed to create a viable fix. They thought they disabled the AFK system, but now they need to spend time looking for what they missed.