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Leeroy Jenkins: How would Star Trek factions and Real Life militaries deal with him?

lonnehartlonnehart Member Posts: 846 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Ten Forward
Most of us heard of this guy. Your group leader and the group plans out their operations while this guy has his attention on something else. Then suddenly, like a monkeywrench being tossed into a Warp Core he charges into the combat zone with wild abandon, ruining the planning his teammates worked so hard on and somehow getting himself and his entire team killed.

How do you suppose the factions in Star Trek would spot him before he does this? And how would they deal with him? And the other question... how would militaries in real life detect this guy before he makes life a mess for the rest of the team?

I can only guess at how the Klingons would react (due to my poor understanding of Klingon culture). They'll probably glorify him as a brave and fierce warrior, but aren't stupid enough to follow him into oblivion...
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  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Klingons would gut him.

    Romulans would shoot him

    Feds would boot him out, toss him in jail.


    real life militaries? called a code red
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lonnehart wrote: »
    Most of us heard of this guy. Your group leader and the group plans out their operations while this guy has his attention on something else. Then suddenly, like a monkeywrench being tossed into a Warp Core he charges into the combat zone with wild abandon, ruining the planning his teammates worked so hard on and somehow getting himself and his entire team killed.

    How do you suppose the factions in Star Trek would spot him before he does this? And how would they deal with him? And the other question... how would militaries in real life detect this guy before he makes life a mess for the rest of the team?

    I can only guess at how the Klingons would react (due to my poor understanding of Klingon culture). They'll probably glorify him as a brave and fierce warrior, but aren't stupid enough to follow him into oblivion...

    Well how would you spot a guy like that

    1 ) If his name is leeroy jenkins thats a 1st good indicator

    2) If he is picking his nose and a wedgie at the same time thats another indicator

    3) But the most damning indicator is if the person is all of the above AND has a bucket of chicken :D

    as far as the klingons?

    That is a race of leeroy jenkins he would be among his own kind :D
  • deaftravis05deaftravis05 Member Posts: 4,885 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I disagree... when it requires planning, the klingons are very good at planning. They just plan the charge later when it's possible. They don't run in, ruin things and get killed. It's dishonourable.
  • sander233sander233 Member Posts: 3,992 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    How Leroy would be dealt with in whatever case depends on just one thing: Who's Leroy's daddy?
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  • roxbadroxbad Member Posts: 695
    edited October 2013
    jorantomalak wrote: »
    3) But the most damning indicator is if the person is all of the above AND has a bucket of chicken :D

    You have something against chicken?
  • skhcskhc Member Posts: 355 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lonnehart wrote: »
    Most of us heard of this guy. Your group leader and the group plans out their operations while this guy has his attention on something else. Then suddenly, like a monkeywrench being tossed into a Warp Core he charges into the combat zone with wild abandon, ruining the planning his teammates worked so hard on and somehow getting himself and his entire team killed.

    How do you suppose the factions in Star Trek would spot him before he does this? And how would they deal with him? And the other question... how would militaries in real life detect this guy before he makes life a mess for the rest of the team?

    I can only guess at how the Klingons would react (due to my poor understanding of Klingon culture). They'll probably glorify him as a brave and fierce warrior, but aren't stupid enough to follow him into oblivion...

    Well assuming our hypothetical Leeroy is prone to doing this, rather than just saving it for the 'big occasion', I'd expect most military / spacefaring organisations in Star Trek to pick up on his inattention to tactical briefings in the Academy (or whatever their equivalent is), and correct the problem. If they couldn't they'd discharge him, or at least never station him in a front line area, no matter how severe a manpower crisis is being faced. This is what I would hope happens in real life too.

    He might get as far as serving on a starship with the early-DS9 style Cardassian Union if he had sufficient political connections, but somehow I reckon they'd try to keep him away from anything important.

    He might also get as far as serving on a ship in the KDF if their resources are stretched during wartime. Alexander is so out of place aboard the Rotarran in 'Sons and Daughters' that I can only assume his training was very brief and very basic for it not be noticed and for him to be assigned somewhere other than a front-line warship (although you could ascribe this to poetic licence from the writers in order to have him there for the purposes of the episode). Leeroy, son of Jenkin, could get through such a level of training without being tagged as a moron. We can safely assume from there he would get killed, possibly remembered gloriously, and possibly not. Klingons all want to die in battle, but they understand dying stupidly and for no reason as well.
  • turbomagnusturbomagnus Member Posts: 3,479 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Part of it all depends on whether or not his charge is successful. If it is, he's called a 'Hero' and given a medal. (Look up USMC PFC Rodger Young or US Army Sergeant Alvin York for examples)

    In your example, his charge fails...

    So they call him an idiot and poets write songs mourning those who died along with them (Colonel Custer, the Charge of the Light Brigade, etc.)

    To the Klingons, as has already been postulated, he'd probably be a brave warrior, worthy of Sto'vo'kor.

    The Federation, he'd probably be glossed over, they'd just focus more on the victorious officers and let the idiot fade to the background.

    In real life? That's part of what Boot is for; it's as much to find the people who for whatever reason can't handle it and would end up getting their squadmates killed as it is for actual training.
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  • iconiansiconians Member Posts: 6,987 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Since the whole Leeroy Jenkins video was staged, I'm going to guess whatever military there is would end up giving him a promotion and a medal, since it went viral and drew publicity (and recruitment numbers) to said military.
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  • steamwrightsteamwright Member Posts: 2,820
    edited October 2013
    Certainly would make a few Klingons wonder about the path to Sto'Vo'Kor. On the one hand Klingon Jenkins dies fighting an abnormal number of opponents. On the other hand...he's an idiot. And he's dead, Jim, not in a video game. The Klingons wouldn't care what happened to the body. The only question I have is how many of them would follow him in like lemmings but seeking fame and glory.

    I'm pretty sure Tal Shiar records on him would have pegged him as an idiot and scheduled him for extermination before he ever had a chance to draw a squad into a room full of death on wing.

    Ferengi would likewise have pegged him for an idiot...and scheduled an arena event to prove it, selling tickets, food, beverage, commemorative magazines, pennets, T-shirts, commemorative photographs, special edition blood wine, media broadcast rights, betting on how long he'd last, and pre-orders on limited edition freeze-dried samples of whatever remains of Jenkins.

    Cardassians, ever the close-bonded family types, would take their children to watch the glorious spectacle of a member of an inferior species self-destructing.
  • ambassadormolariambassadormolari Member Posts: 709 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    lonnehart wrote: »
    And how would they deal with him?

    Posthumously.
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  • deadspacex64deadspacex64 Member Posts: 565 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    KDF, he would lead the charge against overwhelming odds, and die honorably. get a statue, a ballad, and the battle named after him.

    Romulan...he's that guy they were testing borg prosthetics on in hakeev's ship...such is the fate of idiots in the romulan empire.

    Federation...desk job.

    Borg, he was the guy controlling those sphere zooming everywhere...thankfully he was 'adjusted' recently. (the only being ever kicked out of the collective...recycled)

    Vulcan, would not charge in...but would feel a compelling need to charge, and that would require much thought...he is currently standing outside suspicious cave deep in thought about what action he should take...and has been there for 70 yrs living off the land, acclaimed as a great sage. (but he at least has chicken...sorta...lizards taste like chicken...right?)
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  • collegepark2151collegepark2151 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Pakleds: "He is smart. He will make us go! He will lead us!"
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    Porthos is not amused.
  • kintishokintisho Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    deadspacex64 wrote: »
    KDF, he would lead the charge against overwhelming odds, and die honorably. get a statue, a ballad, and the battle named after him.

    Romulan...he's that guy they were testing borg prosthetics on in hakeev's ship...such is the fate of idiots in the romulan empire.

    Federation...desk job.

    Borg, he was the guy controlling those sphere zooming everywhere...thankfully he was 'adjusted' recently. (the only being ever kicked out of the collective...recycled)

    Vulcan, would not charge in...but would feel a compelling need to charge, and that would require much thought...he is currently standing outside suspicious cave deep in thought about what action he should take...and has been there for 70 yrs living off the land, acclaimed as a great sage. (but he at least has chicken...sorta...lizards taste like chicken...right?)

    adding to this: Cardassians = unchanged in any way
  • nebbiosadonzellanebbiosadonzella Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    The Klingons glorify heroic abandon, not stupidity. So I believe they wouldn't see a suicidal charge as having merit in and out of itself but based on context and accomplishment: A Klingon that disobbeys orders to make a suicidal charge that turns a sure victory into a defeat would be remembered as an idiot, while a Klingon that disobbeys orders to make a suicidal charge that wins the day would bring great honor upon himself and shame upon those who were too conservative and timid to charge with him. One that makes a suicidal charge as a last act of defiance against overwhelming odds would depend on the situation and the motivation behind the act: The Klink that remains outside of the city to face the storm in one of the stories told by the lore guy in first city is seen as a fool as he was acting out of pride and hubris, yet the Klink that drives a shuttle into the mouth of the doomsday device in the Fed storyline is seen as finding back his honor. I believe, though this is just my opinion, the former one would have been seen as foolish even if he had survived and the later one would have been seen as honorable even if he had failed to reach the doomsday device.

    So hundreds of years after Leroy son of Jenkins' charge they would still be singing songs about how much of a dumbass he was, and he would have spent the last of his years in Tribble extermination duty if he had somehow managed to survive. O.O
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    LEEEEEROOOYYYY JEEENKIIINNNSSS!!!
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