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hornet6
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With all the talk about the fabulous AtB build, I was just wondering: Is there any other build in STO that makes any sense or that can be succesful or competitive anymore?
I am a 700+ day vet but I must be doing everything wrong. I don't want to sell my soul to the devil in order to get "The Sacred Purple DOFFS" and, in a move that certainly indicates near mental illness, I use pretty much only cruisers. I try to hold my own as long as I can in a fight, do as much damage as I can before exploding, try to avoid being thought of as "squishy" or "noob like" and I dream the impossible dream of avoiding being instantly vaporized by the mythical "Thor's hammer"; "Lightning bolt of Zeus" unsurvivable "alpha strike" in pvp (which I still play occasionally no matter how stupid it is to even try in a non-AtB ship).
I guess I'm just tired of being discrimanated against by "The Outstanding" and think it is time that "The Mediocre" are given the disdainful condescending "respect" we deserve, for it us, those who set the standard of exceptional mediocrity, who have always been the backbone of any organization or group. We are the great punching bag of the Superior. "The Many, The Proud, The Mediocre"' Remember, half the people one knows are below average, only "The Medicore" exist in, and between, both worlds.
So again I ask, I implore you to tell me: "IS THERE ANY OTHER BUILD IN THE GAME THAT MAKES ANY SENSE OTHER THAN AtB?!? DO ONLY COMPLETE MORONS FLY CRUISERS!?!
Other than questioning my sanity for being "non-AtB", I ask this question because, as I mentioned in an obscure previous post, I saw someone in a "vomitus" stock Galaxy (arguably one of the worst ship choices in the game) who was "a-whompin' and a-whuppin'" in a pvp pug. I asked if he was using the sacred AtB build and this heretic said he was not. I tried to ask him what his build was but he spoke limited English and I don't speak German (typical German, they always know how to do more with less when it comes to weapons and fighting, witness the Leopard tank" and such is the stuff of which stereotypes are made). Anyone have any ideas as to what his build might have been, if not AtB, or was he just that good? (I do not believe there was any "computer enchancment shenanigans" either)
I am a 700+ day vet but I must be doing everything wrong. I don't want to sell my soul to the devil in order to get "The Sacred Purple DOFFS" and, in a move that certainly indicates near mental illness, I use pretty much only cruisers. I try to hold my own as long as I can in a fight, do as much damage as I can before exploding, try to avoid being thought of as "squishy" or "noob like" and I dream the impossible dream of avoiding being instantly vaporized by the mythical "Thor's hammer"; "Lightning bolt of Zeus" unsurvivable "alpha strike" in pvp (which I still play occasionally no matter how stupid it is to even try in a non-AtB ship).
I guess I'm just tired of being discrimanated against by "The Outstanding" and think it is time that "The Mediocre" are given the disdainful condescending "respect" we deserve, for it us, those who set the standard of exceptional mediocrity, who have always been the backbone of any organization or group. We are the great punching bag of the Superior. "The Many, The Proud, The Mediocre"' Remember, half the people one knows are below average, only "The Medicore" exist in, and between, both worlds.
So again I ask, I implore you to tell me: "IS THERE ANY OTHER BUILD IN THE GAME THAT MAKES ANY SENSE OTHER THAN AtB?!? DO ONLY COMPLETE MORONS FLY CRUISERS!?!
Other than questioning my sanity for being "non-AtB", I ask this question because, as I mentioned in an obscure previous post, I saw someone in a "vomitus" stock Galaxy (arguably one of the worst ship choices in the game) who was "a-whompin' and a-whuppin'" in a pvp pug. I asked if he was using the sacred AtB build and this heretic said he was not. I tried to ask him what his build was but he spoke limited English and I don't speak German (typical German, they always know how to do more with less when it comes to weapons and fighting, witness the Leopard tank" and such is the stuff of which stereotypes are made). Anyone have any ideas as to what his build might have been, if not AtB, or was he just that good? (I do not believe there was any "computer enchancment shenanigans" either)
ANOTHER NERF !?!
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http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=pvptranaodd_0
3 bo bleed through doffs and either 2 projectile doffs if you aren't afraid of snb or warp core engineers (i think it's warp core) that allows eptX abilities to remove debuffs, such as snb.
Ewp to punish those following behind ya,
Disclaimer. I like to think I'm pretty awesome at pve ship building...as for pvp? I have no idea what the aft should look like. Some research into any idea from drunk will solve that.
Either way, it's a hull melted that try to bypass shields from all directions, could use some fine tuning I'm sure of that but it is a viable non aux2bat build
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
Bleed Green and Gold
In btran cluster
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
I have added a third Antiproton Mag instead of the Torp console in tactical now though. A2B is all fine and well but I generally deal way more damage than they do in spike and survive far better as well. Keep in mind A2B folks can be very vulnerable to Power Drain boats (I know they are rare but I have one LOL) and no one survives 80K+ Crits very well.
I can tank the Gates in Elite STF's, Elite Cubes, and even have survived having 2 nicely outfitted Escorts and a Science vessel all trying to take me down while I picked them off for the win.
Of course it is CRITICAL that you be a Tactical Captain for this build and it helps to be a strong pilot so results may vary.
Well I fight a sovereign friend and she had an above average build she can hold her own with best up to 4 people in combat, since she went aux2bat she can now use dEM since it's op now maybe broke with aux 2bat and she fillets 5
of us elite warriors like nothing , we can do nothing every 35 seconds ,I know what I'm talking about under tests ,So I know why you use it ... It's op needs to be fixed everyone is using it and doesn't care about there new famed power since it's not skill it's the buffs with dem doing more than 50% more easy work for them and changes how much armor neede to equip is less with aux 2 bat and more for an attack console in place of armor. soon all will know why you won't leave aux 2 bat like your friend which does it like the rest ,not running to get the op doffs and dem on ship bet 100% you use Dem
First, paragraphs are your friend, second, DEM itself is not OP, even with Marion the skill is not OP, the problem is aux2batt reducing the cooldown so you don't lose a second boff slot to DEM. THAT is the OP thing.
Dude we played in kerrat for years and do rather well and it's not our builds so then go redo all your weak thinking and analyze it all again bcuz yas your are plain and simply WRONG and your words made no sense to the fact it happens it is OP and you obviously should be in an English class not the forums! You need to fight more in game on pop before you talk out the wrong end lmao you know 0
I really hope your trolling now...this and your op gave me a headache.
A grammar/spelling TRIBBLE would go off on you for simple errors . A normal person Wilk just move on when simple errors pop up.
But this...man, you have to be a little coherent. This is like a worksheet a teacher hands out and asks to find all the errors. After reading this, I would juat circle the whole thing.
My PvE/PvP hybrid skill tree
My core attack skills are APBeta mixed with CSV for damage output, and a Warp Plasma snare.
Self buffs are done with rotating 2 copies of EPtW 1 and EPtS 2.
Hull heals are Aux2SI, Eng team, and Hazard Emitters.
Shield heals are TSS and I guess Tac Team also counts as a shield "heal".
The nice thing about this setup is that it's pretty consistent and I have a lot of options when it comes to healing my team mates. Plus 4 single cannons / 3 turrets at full weapons power, APB, scatter volley, APA and potentially Go Down Fighting is a potent combo to take down groups of spheres / probes.
The build doesn't rely on DOFF's to work, although having a warp core doff's and energy weapon doff's equipped do help somewhat.
I never feel like I'm not pulling my weight even in elite STF's.
I don't see how 300 to 500 damage per hit for 30 seconds with effectively 1 minute cooldown is overpowered in a world where you can blast someone to spacedust in under 5 seconds with two beam overloads...
I mean sure that amount of damage over 30 seconds with effectively 15 second cooldown (figures based on wiki not ingame info as I didn't want to put Skyrim down to do it, I'm sure someone will correct them if need be) could be considered extremely powerful but that is not the fault of DEM, that is the fault of Aux2Batt, or rather Aux2Batt when combined with technician doffs.
Also, when you want to complain at someone for bad spelling and/or grammar, first get your facts straight, my spelling and grammar was correct, and second, make sure your own spelling and grammar is correct.
I have to laugh how the escort captains cry OP OP OP every time someone figures out a way to make a cruiser competitive
I actually prefer to do a continous cycle where I heal and use sci powers with low aux in exchange for the powers to come back online faster. Mainly being the one copy of tactical team I have.
To me the trade off is I miss out on aux to structural and aux to dampeners plus my sci abilities are hurting.
And with engineering team being overwritten by tactical team you down to hazard emitter for hull healing.
So it's not god mode but yeah don't know if it is fair to have a 300% cooldown that effects all boff abilities.
My build:
http://www.stoacademy.com/tools/skillplanner/index.php?build=lizette1_4343
Before I got marion I also ran with aceton beam or eject warp plasma where DEM is and did just fine with it.
Heres a tank build I use in PvE when a tank and no DPS is needed, usualy in a premade ESTF with 4 escorts:
http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=lizettetank_4343
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Yeah, sure, probably. Just not so much in cruisers.
Correct.
You might try not being poor. Seriously, they were about 15 mil each last time I looked at the exchange. If 15 mil is a lot of spacemoney to you, I don't know what to say.
Using cruisers isn't a sign of a mental illness. But if you tell me you're nuts, I'll believe you.
As opposed to all those other people who try to lose fights?
Too late.
Are you using "quotation marks" for emphasis? Because if you are, that's not how it's done.
Nope. Respect is for people who deserve it. And "the mediocre" don't. Whining about it is going to work very well in a way you probably don't expect.
I don't think you know what one of those two words mean.
Nope. It's us Superiors who are the tip of the spear, and the handle. And the rest of the spear. And the guy holding it. And the rest of the army. The mediocre get to shovel out the stables, and then only when they've been good.
This is the second thing you've said that I agree with.
I really don't know what to say to this. So let's assume I said something cutting and move on.
As noted: There are other builds. No, some cruisers are flown by some people who aren't complete morons.
The fact that his/her Galaxy was slightly less awful than your ship is not the same thing as saying that his Galaxy was good.
The technician doffs are from crit'ing the support colonization efforts at the end of the B'Tran cluster colonization chain easy money. Why anyone would buy them off the exchange (especially for 15 million each) for the purpose of building an Aux to battery build is beyond me. That said, I don't usually have much more than 15 million, my peak is 24 million, so I also need help in that area.
No offense meant, its just all very funny.