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"VOYAGER is not true" An interview with Ron D. Moore
twg042370
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Hey cats, how goes the "pew pew"ing?
I delurked because I felt some of you might be interested in this old interview with DS9/ BSG guy, Ron D. Moore that recently came to my attention. In it he spends a lot of time going over what he felt was wrong with Voyager and he eerily predicts the flaws of Enterprise before Enterprise was even put together.
I find myself in agreement with his points though I like Voyager despite the ugly boot nature of it.
Warning: The site was obviously made around the year 2000 and not for modern wide screen monitors. I fixed by resizing my browser window to make it more readable.
I delurked because I felt some of you might be interested in this old interview with DS9/ BSG guy, Ron D. Moore that recently came to my attention. In it he spends a lot of time going over what he felt was wrong with Voyager and he eerily predicts the flaws of Enterprise before Enterprise was even put together.
I find myself in agreement with his points though I like Voyager despite the ugly boot nature of it.
Warning: The site was obviously made around the year 2000 and not for modern wide screen monitors. I fixed by resizing my browser window to make it more readable.
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I'm just wondering if there's a better copy of this interview somewhere on the Internet, because that color scheme really hurts my eyes.
I will agree with you on most parts, but you cant judge voyager to sgu nor the 2nd season and past of bsg. however with that said I do agree with comparing to farscape, voyager does indeed look a lot more flat.
I also agree that they needed to make voyager more realistic, I too wanted to know what happened to the big bad borg of next gen. that eliminated a entire fed/Klingon fleet with only 1 ship.
as for the doctor, while I liked the actor who played him; they could have fleshed his and 7's character out more.
all in all though voyager wasn't terrible it was more or less fleshed out.
I copied and pasted it into Word and formatted it to make it more readable. You might try something similar.
And if you think the problem of food supply in deep space is insignificant - well, I don't really know what to think. Or were you under the impression that devoting one cargo hold to agriculture would provide sufficient food for a crew of something over 140 - many of whom would also require meat? And they did make a point of "replicator rationing" in the early episodes (although that seemed to have gone by the board after only a few episodes, other than that famous line about "coffee in that nebula"), implying that whatever raw materials the replicator requires, they need to resupply from somewhere.
I have to agree with some points, it is kind of unfair to judge a show in comparison to shows that were created 10 years after the fact. ( before I get jumped on I know Voyager ended in 2000 and the BSG miniseries was in 2004. I am talking about the start of one show 1993-1994 and the start of another 2004.) However knowing that the producer Ron Moore created some of the best television in the last 10 years, what would he have brought to Voyager that never materialized. A darker edgier version of the show that would have been more believable, and not as much fluff. As far as Robert Picardo, I agree great actor, but some of the episodes the doctor had. Give me a break, there are some episodes I just can not stomach to watch, like ones where he sings opera, gad awful! Speaking of is there such a thing as any musicians creating music in the 24th century, why do we constantly hear 500 year old music, and that is from OUR century?
Obviously music died in 1959 and what they call music in the 24th Century just sucks. Also, the music is 400 year old music since 500 year old music would be in the 1800s.
Actually Ronald Moore was the Executive producer of BSG.
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Fleet Admiral Stowe - Dominion War Vet.
Blergh, my bad haha.
Producers have most control on a production... so in a way he is one of the main writers I guess hahah.
There's some Vulcan lyre music in TOS,
"Going o'er to Eden, yeah brother" (ahem...sorry), :rolleyes:
Jono's Talarian rock music that annoyed Picard in TNG
Uhura's fan dance music in Star Trek V
Before Voyager was announced, I'd predicted it to friends. "Enterprise needs to be flung across the galaxy (I was thinking Q at the time), and have to work its way back without being able to run crying to Momma Federation after every boo-boo. They'll have to be clever, and scrape for everything."
I thought this was going to be the path Voyager took, but with the exception of a few episodes (Year of Hell springs to mind) it really wasn't. I was really excited, until I saw the Kazons. Cheap Klingon knock-offs with really bad hair. That should have been my first clue something was really off.
I'm also of the opinion that there should have been more crew taken on from the planets visited, to fill the vacancies. Folks willing to leave all behind to boldly go. As it was, we got Neelix, Kes, Seven, and a pack of Borg kids.
Yeah so heres a question if voyager didnt have them why would janeway bark out the order to fire quantum torps?
Idk sounds like yet another plot hole to me
agreed with This ^^^^^^
Voyager was equipped with photons and a pair of tricobalt devices used in the first episode. Throughout the series the photons were used and some would be modified for several episodes, like the bio-molecular warheads or warp flare.
An amusing video to demonstrate Voyager's use of torpedoes. :P
loved the vid; -85 torps is great
i did come across a site that had most if not all of the voyager inconsistencies compiled, ie the size of the shuttle bay, number of torps, ect . .
made for some interesting reading
Its just text, copy paste it into notepad or something.
Firstly, Rick Berman. I've read and heard in interviews with numerous Star Trek related individuals that Rick Berman was never supposed to get his hands on the franchise as a whole. Basically, the story goes, Rick Berman was an executive at Paramount at the time The Next Generation was gearing up for its first season. He was (not surprisingly) apparently hated by every one of his colleagues so viciously that they promoted him to get him out of their sight. And they promoted him to be the producer on a show they all thought was going to fail - Star Trek: The Next Generation.
The trouble (ironically) is that TNG didn't fail, but succeeded despite everyone's predictions -- largely due to the arrival of people like Ronald D. Moore who helped give the show a clear direction. But, unfortunately, Gene Roddenberry's health and mental capacity were failing at a pretty rapid rate by the time The Next Generation was on the air, and Rick Berman somehow slithered his way into Gene's good graces and got his hands on the franchise. And the rest, is history.
Secondly, to bring it back to Voyager specifically; It just didn't feel like Voyager was really lost on the other side of the galaxy. Never mind the replicators and the shuttlecraft and all that. The ship was in vicious battles on a nearly weekly basis, and yet by the time the next episode rolled around all the carpets were steamed, the uniforms were neatly pressed, and Neelix had 3 square meals a day prepared in the mess hall. There was never any permanence to the problems the ship faced every week. They essentially just pressed a reset button at the beginning of every episode, almost as if the ship had a secret wormhole back to Utopia Planetia where all the hull fractures could be repaired in time for the next episode.
Ronald D. Moore has actually said in the commentary for Battlestar Galactica that part of his motivation for reimagining that show was the failings of Voyager. It's a fairly similar premise, at least on the surface. A single ship, alone and without any support, trying to fight off an implacable enemy while trying to find its way to Earth. But one of the key differences between Voyager and BSG is that all the hull fractures and and battle scars that Galactica took actually stayed with the ship. By the end of the show's run (spoiler alert), the Galactica literally fell apart in space because it had been beaten so viciously in battle over and over again.
Anyway... I do still love Voyager. I just have to grin and bear how unrealistic it is when watching it. The Doctor helps a lot too.
the thing is star trek has always been very clean, optimistic and warm. you only have to look at the bright uniforms, the comfy ships etc to see that it has a very specific style unlike most other scifi which is quite dark and gloomy.
now shows like DS9 started to challenge that, and Voyager started to go down that route in season 1, but then very quickly settled back into the fairly safe and comfy star trek we have known before. but even though its not what i would have done, im not really against it either.
in many ways by season 7 voyager should have been looking more like the crew of the equinox, but do people want to watch that? some people hate battlestar as its too dark and depressing. voyager is unrealistic but is watching the crew get slowly taken apart over 7 years fun to watch and is it still star trek? or are people happy to wave away the implausible aspects and stick with the safe and comfy trek? if it becomes too bleak then why even bother to call it star trek any more?
Yeah you almost forgot they were stranded 70 light years from Fed space. That's why I liked that enterprise was more Spartan, but it could have been less civilized still.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.
70 light years isn't that far. I think you're confused. Voyager was out farther than that, 75 THOUSAND light years, to be exact.
Right it was a 70 year journey.... my bad.
Parallels: my second mission for Fed aligned Romulans.