any one for Poker

r24681012 · September 2013

i would love to to be able sent up a poker night with friends and fleet mates on sto ec could be the wager and i think it would be a lot of fun would you guys like to have poker in the game or may be 3d chess or is there another game you would like incorporated in to the game

aiden089 · September 2013

There are actually poker tables on the crew decks of most fed ships just no cards or chips to play with

lter · September 2013

We're all thinking in that old poker minigame that was comming in any point of the game's development. And probably we're all thinking in the poker table inside the bar in the crewdeck. Problem is in the develpment history they decided to rush a line of ships (lockbox ships) without interior assets.

3D chess would be another fun option, in fleet starbase interiors. But I'd be more for allowing fleet housing in them in the first place to make fleet installation any useful other than a fleet mall...

flash525 · September 2013

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Just an observation, no judgment either way, but I think it's funny how people complain about how lockboxes are gambling but then want gambling mini-games added.

Lock Boxes cost people real money.

Poker Tables would likely use Energy Credits or Latinium, thus wouldn't actually cost anyone anything.

flash525 · September 2013

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Only impatient people spend real money on something that can be gotten for free by simply playing the game.

There are a lot of impatient people playing this game.

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Lockbox keys are available on the exchange for EC.

Players can also get the keys for free off the C-Store by using the free monthly stipend, or by converting dilithium for store credit.

Whilst true, it's most likely the F2P players who commonly complain about gambling (as far as lock box results go).

ebbhead9999 · September 2013

I fully support the idea of having the chance to play poker in STO as a mini game. We have seen poker several times in Star Trek The Next Generation so it also fits into the bigger picture. Betting with energy credits is ok and should be sufficient. This would be a nice distraction after doing some STF elites.

timelord79 · September 2013

What's stopping you to gather people around the poker table in your ship's lounge with one player filling the role of the poker dealer to hold the buy-in EC pool and use an external poker online programm to deal cards.
AT the end the winner takes the EC total pot or, half of it, second player gets half of the remaining pool, 3rd player gets half of the rest of the rest, but then you can set house rules.

rylanadionysis · September 2013

Just to point out something...

Free monthly stipend?

wut?

You only get that if you paid money to the game via lifetime or recurring sub... its not free

rylanadionysis · September 2013

flash525 wrote: »

There are a lot of impatient people playing this game.

Id say there are a lot more just trying to stay ahead of the ridiculous power creep in this game vs being "impatient"

Every couple of months something OP as hell is added, and F2P has no chance of keeping up with that, barring having like 15 dilithium farming toons already set up. (and the extremely unhealthy lifestyle of literally living and breathing this video game 24/7 to run them all)

neoakiraii · September 2013

I would love poker.

And also a solo mode if i want to play with the computer, who makes holograms of these guys ...Then an Elite mode where you play against Riker, and who ever loses has to shave their beard.

I had an ancestor who played Poker, and then some French guy hustled him, that's why Cardassians got payback later against the french

and if no Poker, can we get Darts, it's like poker

towani · September 2013

I fully support any and all mini-games in STO beyond Dabo (which I enjoy).

I support poker, darts, and some sort of target shooting you could do in the holo-deck... sort of what they did on ENT.

neoakiraii · September 2013

towani wrote: »

I fully support any and all mini-games in STO beyond Dabo (which I enjoy).

I support poker, darts, and some sort of target shooting you could do in the holo-deck... sort of what they did on ENT.

Just don't play against Bartenders with big hats

fraghul2000 · September 2013

r24681012 wrote: »

i would love to to be able sent up a poker night with friends and fleet mates on sto ec could be the wager and i think it would be a lot of fun would you guys like to have poker in the game or may be 3d chess or is there another game you would like incorporated in to the game

There would still be legal issues with having gambling for EC. There are tons of examples where things like that, which seem mostly harmful or fun in most people's eyes, would be be enough to threaten the "T"-rating of a PC game. There are quite a few examples of games which decided against having harmless, gambling minigames for exactly that reason, and even one example i know of who removed it retroactively.

That's why mmos with a T- or lower rating don't have gambling in them and that includes player-organized gambling or raffles, which usually gets cracked down on quite harshly. (e.g. 3 people wager 500 ingame currency each and the highest /rnd 100 roll decides who wins it all).

It may sound stupid to most of us, but that's how certain rating requirements are. One of the big mmos had to remove a quest which involved getting drunk and chasing pink elephants or else they'd have lost their 12/T-rating...

r24681012 · September 2013

to be honest i do see why there would be legal complications with this we are not using real money no one is going to make any money from it it would be just to have fun and and some light entertainment when you having nothing to do or want to do something different

and is dabo not the same as poker gambling so would there not a legal issue there

rylanadionysis · September 2013

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Wanna bet.

My LTS investment ($230.) broke even on May 2011. It was the equivalent of 15 months subscription.

Since that date I've gotten to play as a subscriber for 28 months. That's $420 bucks I saved. And I've been reimbursed $105 in store credit in the form of my stipend.

And that's not including value of the respecs, ship slots, character slots, ships, and costumes I've gotten for free.

I think you missed the point entirely...

You still paid money, granted it turned out to break even over time, but you did put dollar bills into this game, and got what turned out to be an absolutely amazing deal for those dollars, but it wasnt free.

A "free" stipend would indicate you have never been a subbed level.

That was my logic there.

r24681012 · September 2013

i can't agree with that you would be right if people were buying zen for the exact purpose of selling stuff on exchange for ec to play poker but i don t think people will go that route people pick up so much stuff in game that dont nee dto that can make a good amount of ec buy selling it on the exchange/or recycling in the replicator so i dont see the issue

bsgsto · September 2013

Eve has a site called Eve online poker...

you transfer isk to a holder and they credit it to your poker account.

I would LOVE to see something like that here. I love poker. and think it is seriously missing from this game.

jorantomalak · September 2013

neoakiraii wrote: »

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and if no Poker, can we get Darts, it's like poker

Darts would be nice...just dont let worf play

fraghul2000 · September 2013

and is dabo not the same as poker gambling so would there not a legal issue there

Not really. Dabo is basically a conversion mechanism from EC to Latinum at a rate of about 2:1. You're not gambling, the same way you're not legally gambling when you're opening lockboxes. You're converting real currency into game currency at a fixed conversion rate with the chance of upward spikes.

It's simulated gambling. You think you're gambling but you're legally just converting currency.

to be honest i do see why there would be legal complications with this we are not using real money no one is going to make any money from it it would be just to have fun and and some light entertainment when you having nothing to do or want to do something different

just look at the rating requirements, especially those in bold print:

TEEN (T)
Content is generally suitable for ages 13 and up. May contain violence, suggestive themes, crude humor, minimal blood, simulated gambling and/or infrequent use of strong language.

ADULTS ONLY (AO)
Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.

scorce: http://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings_guide.jsp

If you were playing poker with free chips, as @sopwithsnipe suggested, it might be fine, it would probably not if it were to involve losing EC with nothing fixed or guaranteed in return.

I'd love to see poker or gambling with EC or even Zen, as i do poker quite often IRL as well, but I doubt that cryptic is ever going to risk their T-rating over it.

ebbhead9999 · September 2013

looking at the success of the new Grand Theft Auto which has M rating from ESRB afaik, there shouldnt be much of a concern anyway hehe. a rating given from a private company as a sort of guideline sounds like a joke anyway. Here in germany we have a government agency giving official ratings and in worst case, games are not allowed to advertise e.g. in print magazines or tv by law. ESRB is nothing compared to that. so in my example i can see a real impact to some degree. its a different league but i cant see the connection to ESRB which is a company in private hands. so where are the drawbacks?

rylanadionysis · September 2013

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Oh thanks for the info. I never played Dabo outside that one mission and didn't know you could convert EC to Zen using it.

Dabo doesnt convert to zen, it converts to GPL O_o

Id like to know from the guy you quoted where the zen comes in, cause i want some, thats awesome.

lianthelia · September 2013

If people are really so worried about gambling then fine, just don't give the game anything to actually gamble. Even to play without the use of chips it would still be better than nothing

cgta1967 · September 2013

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you 'can' play poker while in vent/teamspeak with your fleet. !!!

here's how !

alt/tab to yahoo games and presto ! you have all kinds of ready made multiplayer card/board games to play !

have fun !

now let the devs work on other things that actually relate to STO please.

bombassdmb · September 2013

Am I the only one that wants to learn how to play tongo?

neoakiraii · September 2013

cgta1967 wrote: »

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now let the devs work on other things that actually relate to STO please.

Or they could work on things people want, crazy i know

cgta1967 · September 2013

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Thanks for mentioning that, but I wasn't going to run out to start playing Dabo. Way too slow and grindy for me to use if it was possible.

just buy a party ball every 1000 gpl win or so.... the people at the bar who are badly roleplaying drunk orion girls ("sips her drink woozily...") will appreciate you for breaking the uncomfortably long pauses ....

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fraghul2000 · September 2013

Not really. Dabo is basically a conversion mechanism from EC to Zen at a rate of about 2:1.

Id like to know from the guy you quoted where the zen comes in, cause i want some, thats awesome.

Ah, sorry, meant to write "EC to Latinum", not Zen. I corrected my post.

Sorry if I caused any hopes.

flash525 · September 2013

timelord79 wrote: »

What's stopping you to gather people around the poker table in your ship's lounge with one player filling the role of the poker dealer to hold the buy-in EC pool and use an external poker online programm to deal cards.

This is the beauty of having Latinium as the currency; it's practically unused as it is, thus nobody would really gain from acquiring (or losing) it. At the same time, it would provide enjoyment and entertainment for others.

In additions to your winnings, you could have a rank system (or sorts) that records your poker wins, loses, chips etc so that other players can see. There are countless free poker games for Facebook and iPhones, I wouldn't have thought it that difficult for Cryptic to develop a Trek version of their own.

It's obviously desired, and would further bring a nice aspect to the game; an easy 'time out' for people who have just done a couple of hours grinding to sit back, chill, chat and play cards.

rylanadionysis wrote: »

Id say there are a lot more just trying to stay ahead of the ridiculous power creep in this game vs being "impatient"

That too! Still, I don't play this game because I want the best gear available, I play it because I enjoy it (for the most part). Most of my ships are using XII Blues from the exchange; no Maco or Omega Gear, no fancy consoles either.

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

Yes there are a LOT of impatient people playing. And I don't fault Cryptic for shrewdly taking advantage of that. All successful businesses do that.

Neither do I. More fool the impatient ones.

sopwithsnipe wrote: »

I have to disagree there. I've seen the lockbox gambling complaints before in other games being made by people I KNOW were long term subscribers to those games.

I said it was most likely, not definite. If I am mistaken then so be it.

cgta1967 wrote: »

now let the devs work on other things that actually relate to STO please.

Please define what relates to STO, cause I'd have thought if it was something (such as Poker) that people would like in game, then it would in fact relate to STO. No?

errab · September 2013

r24681012 wrote: »

i would love to to be able sent up a poker night with friends and fleet mates on sto ec could be the wager and i think it would be a lot of fun would you guys like to have poker in the game or may be 3d chess or is there another game you would like incorporated in to the game

Has much has I would like to have Poker here in STO; I do not believe that it would ever happen.

Since there is no age requirement (at least I do not remember there being one) to play STO I think there would be a problem with in-game poker being considered online gambling with potential minors.

Sadly has much has I would enjoy playing Poker for unrefined Dilithium or Energy Credits I fear that the only way poker would ever be seen here in STO is if there was absolutely no betting of any type attached to it.

I could be way off on this but I believe that STO would need to add a minimum age requirement of 21 to play the game to even begin to think of adding poker with or without stakes.

any one for Poker

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