Borg rep points vs Romulan and Tholian rep points

dem613 · September 2013

Why is it that there are less Borg reputation points given out after each task completed than there are Romulan or Tholian points?

ashkrik23 · September 2013

You must be playing missions like Defera. If you do elite STFs you will get more marks for that rep than there are given for Romulan and Nukara.

canis36 · September 2013

Actually they made a stealth pass on the Nukara adventure zone a while back and upped the number of Nukara Marks each mission gives. During a mark event the other day I made over 250 Nukara Marks in 30-45 minutes playing by myself. Not quite as rewarding for the time spent as ESTFs, but closer than anything else in the game.

tequilla56 · September 2013

I think the worst rep points to obtain are the Romulan Ones.

eg:

- Omega Missions (core 3 being played since before rep system) = approx. 50-75 marks each completion. (at Elite, factoring in Optional Success or not + bonus marks hours or not)

- Nakura Marks - As stated previously. A full run of easy and mid level mission completions both inside and outside during bonus hours netted me a nice 200 marks (give or take approx. 1 hr solo)

- Romulan Marks - TERRIBLE rate of issue. Best I have found is Daily tour during bonus hour for 75 marks. (this takes about 45mins - 1hour to complete). Otherwise you can grind the only other events I have found (not inc Vault which is a pain changing ships all the time) for Azura Rescue, Vault: Ensnared and Rh'ihho station. During bonus hour netting maybe 20-30 marks each completion IF lucky.

Forget the instances on New Romulus. Each give u maybe 5-10 marks for quite a bit of mundane work.

(noticed how tedious this was whilst spending over 7hrs constant grinding to get the required 500 marks for some tier 3 gear. - shudder to think how much will have to be done at tier 5)

-- If anyone has any alternatives for earning Romulan Marks at a better rate of 1-3 vs Omega or Nakura Marks, would love to hear it.

sonnikku · September 2013

Agreed. The Roms are pretty stingy with the marks compared to the borg. 60 rom marks for an hour vs 100+ borg marks for 10 minutes in conduit.

grtiggy · September 2013

i really want elite versions of the romulan missions for marks , atm i find that doing the tau dua sector daily but not turning it in untill the mark event will net you 75 and just do the mine enemy event with a semi reasonable team nets you a good 75 each time also and i can make about 400+ for the hour . but i REALLY want elites for most of the other mark generating missions, like the omega ones have, i am always swimming in omega marks and never have anything i want to buy with them, really hoping there will be a way to exchange marks for other mark types with a small exchange fee or something.

bubblygumsworth · September 2013

Rom and tholian marks need to be boosted to the same level of STFs imo.

carasucia83 · September 2013

You only have to look at the numbers. I run pretty much everything on a pretty much random basis and on my main I currently have 6287 omega marks, 389 Tholian and 251 Romulan marks. I have also spent far more omega marks than the other two. It's still totally possible to do all three reps at the same time, but irritating nonetheless. And yes, we know about Epohhs.

rylanadionysis · September 2013

Romulan marks are ridiculously easy to get, actually.

Get five people. Queue up for Defend RhIhho station (ground stuff).

It lasts all of 8 minutes and nabs about 30-40 marks each run

it has NO cd.

In one hour, youll get almost 200 marks on bonus. (or you can choose fleet marks if you want)

Then you can always do Epohhs (400 marks every 4 days)

starkaos · September 2013

All I did for Romulan was run the Tau Dewa Daily for a few times, then just chase rabbits for the rest. Chasing rabbits gives the best payout for the lowest amount of work.

tequilla56 · September 2013

rylanadionysis wrote: »

Romulan marks are ridiculously easy to get, actually.

Get five people. Queue up for Defend RhIhho station (ground stuff).

It lasts all of 8 minutes and nabs about 30-40 marks each run

it has NO cd.

In one hour, youll get almost 200 marks on bonus. (or you can choose fleet marks if you want)

Then you can always do Epohhs (400 marks every 4 days)

Thanks for the advice there. I had noticed the lack of cd for Rhihho which is not as bad. Unfortunately not always easy to get into a game though (when groups aren't avail) with wait time of up to 15 mins experienced... that is during bonus hours. (worse when not).

Still its ok... But it is only one mission. Which even when grinding for purchases or multi char rep level up is rather, well, like smacking yourself in the face with a wet fish.

Epohhs.. Will look into that... As will the Mine... (did it once for the first time, wasn't sure what doing and got royally flamed by peeps who didn't care even when explaining first time player - still ignore button very handy). -- Wait time on Mine though is terrible most of the time.

Looking at what you said about Epohhs though. 400 Marks every 4 days.... Hmm... Nakura is easy to get 400 in a couple of hours.... Omega same thing, if not more.... 4 Days of Nakura or Omega would net a thousand or more easily. :-s

toiva · September 2013

400 romarks for Epohhs in 4 days means you spend 5mins x 4 days --> 20 mins for 400 romarks.

I'd say that's not bad. You'd have to get lucky to get 400 omega marks in 20 mins (like very lucky, but it should be feasible with a really good team).

Of course if you need romarks fast, you'll have to find something else.

tequilla56 · September 2013

toiva wrote: »

400 romarks for Epohhs in 4 days means you spend 5mins x 4 days --> 20 mins for 400 romarks.

I'd say that's not bad. You'd have to get lucky to get 400 omega marks in 20 mins (like very lucky, but it should be feasible with a really good team).

Of course if you need romarks fast, you'll have to find something else.

Thanks... See its easy to learn something new no matter how long you have been around.

5 mins a day seems pretty decent. Will def investigate that one. Thanks.

Agreed.. Don't know anyone that could score 400 Omega marks in 20mins (even during bonus hours and on best teams that take no more than 5 mins to perfectly complete the mission).

I think it has a lot to do with perception too. Do three Omega missions (take 1 - 1.5 hrs avg) net 175-200 marks easy. Do three Romulus missions and score perhaps 40 - 60. Even if those three only took you 30 mins (hence it does work out similar in earning potential) you don't see the same results for your work, and get more bored and off put faster is all.

But thanks heaps for the advice... might go check that out straight away.

rylanadionysis · September 2013

Trust us on the Epohhs. It might start seemingly slow, but once you start stacking it up (doing the next series of doff missions while you wait for your elder to pop out), it turns into enough marks by the time youre finished grinding tier 5 rep to buy about 4 items.

I had almost 3000 rom marks (on top of the ones i spent in the two 20 hour rep projects) when i did my tier 5 upgrade.

The key is to not worry so much about "immediate" since rep takes time to grind out anyway. About 30 days under perfect conditions to go from 0-100k. It is possible to shave about 2 days off by stacking the previous tier's rep project in before you do the next tiers upgrade, but realistically it still ends up being 4+ weeks.

It takes 28 days minimum to rep? Thats 7 elder Epohhs and each are worth 400 marks (and actually you can get closer to 10 of them if you start stacking up excess tags and critting the lower doff missions) in that time.

2800 marks from that alone. Youd only use about half that to do the rep itself. I had 3000 like I said because I did some other stuff too, but really I didnt need the excess, hell I still have about 800 I will probably never use on my main because I dont need/want anything else out of the rep store.

tequilla56 · September 2013

hmm.. It all seems and sounds very logical.

Yep... 400 marks. 4 days. Pretty decent as the maths works out.

So yes haven given it a shot. (I sorta remember doing it previously actually).
With two characters.

Gotta say... Nah not convinced.

The maths SEEMS good. 400 marks in 4 days @ 5 mins per day = 400 marks for 20 mins work.

But I don't see it as being THAT simple.
FIRST you have to go on the Epohh Tagging. Yup.. a min and a half to tag as many of the little blighters as u can. Max reward. 4 marks + 4 tags for the insane figure of 30+ epohhs tagged in a minute and a half.

Ok so let me see. The actual Tagging time (unavoidable as in game interaction counter) is approx. 2 seconds per Epohh. For best results.. you need 30 Epohh which equates to 60 seconds actual waiting time to tag the little blighters. Affording you an entire 30 seconds total to actually find and interact with 30 of them in total.

All to get 4 marks and 4 tags (the very important bit - U need them for the next stage).

Now I am not exactly brilliant at timing. And with continued practice and sure I will get much better at tagging them. BUT at that conversion rate I doubt virtually ANYONE could get that many Epohh's in the time frame allocated (and if they can regularly, I would LOVE to see actual footage of them doing it).

So in reality. Lets say you are like most... Avg 15-17 Epohs tagged (bout 45secs to find and interact and 45 secs interact countdown for each one).

That nets you 2 marks and 2 tags. (say u get lucky and hit over 20... definitely possible with skill) you get 3mks and 3 tags.

You need 4 tags to do the DOFF mission. So there is 2 days.
You then need to wait 1 day for the DOFF mission to complete to score your Epohh Research.
1 Research for completion -- 3 if you manage a critical.

You need 5 research to obtain a pup. So there is shall we say 3-5 days (depending on luck)

No you have a pup you need to raise it (something I have done before with the winter epohh).

THAT takes time to get it to the ripe old age of elder epohh. 3 days in total from Pup to Elder.

Now you have an elder epohh you can exchange for 400 Marks. YAY!!! Finally we have some marks.

So In summary. We have discussed Epohhs. Good rate of earning Romulan Marks.
As stated... 400 Marks in 4 days - 5 mins per day = 5x4 = 20 for a whopping 400 marks for 20 mins effort.

BUT

in REALITY --- (BEST PROJECTED FIGURE WITH AWESOME RUNS AND LOTS OF LUCK)
2 Days to get the required tags. +
3-5 Days to get the research (getting you a baby Epohh) +
3 Days to raise said Epohh to Elder.

Total = 8 -10 Days to Gain 400 Marks.

Double (best case) - Initial claims, and in all likelihood for 80% of people probably closer to triple that.

Yes of course there are ways around... Epohh Tag in Groups.. (rewarded for total score and will get you definitely 4marks and 4 tags). So lets see. IF you can get together with people every single day to Epohh tag, you can reduce that figure by a whole day.

So lets see. Epohh gathering for Marks. Yes. You can definitely earn a good rate of marks for only a few mins of time investment per day. Assuming you are quite content with the annoying chase and tag and earn and doff and watch a timer count down 20/24 hours.

Sounds (and after trying it... def IS) more painful than just grinding the Rhihho Station,
Much better conversion rate when done right (IMHO)
(30mks per 10mins x 1hr = 180mks per hour.)

2-3 hours u have more than enough marks for your next tier advancement banked or the gear that you want.

As per stacking the Epohh Doffs whilst grinding. I have no issue with waiting or grinding. I am working on 4 characters now. So rotating whilst countdown timers are up is no drama anyway.

Brings us back to the beginning however.

For 200 Omega Marks. - Jump in any 3 STF's. By the time you are finishing the third one (if all goes well, sometimes it doesn't) your wait timer from the first one is almost up.

- Total time = 1hr = 200+mks -- You get to mix up what you are doing. Immediate results. Bonus of netting just under 3k DIL whilst at it - not to mention rare item drops.

For 200 Nakura Marks. - Complete 1 full run of indoor and outdoor nakura missions. (approx. 1-2 hrs depending on skill) (niot inc Minerals). Plenty of variance in things to do. Pickup a multitude of items. - Immediate Results.

For 200 Romulan Marks. - Either go through the whole Epohh breeding system. Very little time involved (20 mins or so), Wait 8-10 days for your marks @ Double the earning rate.
OR
jump into between 10-20 Choice of marks missions. They are short missions. BUT combined with Idle wait time... for games to run (unless you can find your own group every time you want marks or there is bonus hours). No where near as many item drops (for some reason). The annoyance of opening all those choice box's (be careful NOT to select the wrong points).
-- Bonus - U get some fleet marks at the same time which adds up I guess.

In the time it takes to do Romulan Marks - you could easily earn up to 5-10 times Nakura or Omega Marks. (hell you even have the Nakura Tribble that hands you a Nakura mark every hour for doing NOTHING at all).

It is a good idea. But there is a hidden truth behind the Epohh idea and it is NOT a pleasant one. So be warned folks.

rylanadionysis · September 2013

You dont need to get 30 by yourself

You group up with other people there for the same thing. Tag teams happen nearly constantly. Youll see it spammed in zone chat nearly constantly:

LFG Fed Tagging
LFG KDF tagging

Just group with that person, or couple of people. Easy peasy. Ive been in groups that have managed to tag over 80 just for the lulz.

200 Omega marks = 3 ESTFs (about 30 minutes)
200 Nukara Marks = 2 CEEs with a quick nukara run in between the 30 minute CD
200 Rom marks = 2 days of Epohhs (5 minutes worth of work).

The biggest issue with the last one is you people expect to push button and receive bacon too much. You need to plan down the road, not just expect instantaneous gratification all the time. Planning ahead means I had ALL of my tier 5 romulan rep gear about 30 days after LOR was released. (which is next to impossible any other way, since you need over 5000 marks to do that)

rylanadionysis · September 2013

in REALITY --- (BEST PROJECTED FIGURE WITH AWESOME RUNS AND LOTS OF LUCK)
2 Days to get the required tags. +
3-5 Days to get the research (getting you a baby Epohh) +
3 Days to raise said Epohh to Elder.

Youre missing something.

2 days to get the required tags, yes... but then look how it stacks

3-5 days to get the research (at the same time youre tagging each day for the next cycle)
3 days to raise the elder (at the same time youre getting the research for the next cycle, and tagging for the cycle after that)

The first run does take about 5-6 days, but each one after that takes about 3 because youre shaving off the first 3 by doing them on top of each other. Youre constantly doing all three simultaneously once you get the first research/raising started. Tags, research, raising.

Day 1 - Tagging
Day 2 - Tagging, research A1
Day 3 - Tagging, research A2
Day 4 - Tagging, research A3
Day 5 - Tagging, research B1, Raise A pup
Day 6 - Tagging, research B2, Raise A adult
Day 7 - Tagging, research B3, Raise A elder
Day 8 - Tagging, research C1, Raise B pup, recieve A elder (400 marks)
Day 9 - Tagging, research C2, Raise B adult
Day 10 - Tagging, research C3, Raise B elder
Day 11 - Tagging, research D1, Raise C pup, Receive B elder (400 marks)

At this point days 8-11 just repeat. It is possible to have an extra day in between if you dont have purple biologists (failing to crit the pup to adult step, I crit them most of the time so i didnt include that)

Also keep in mind you will have overlap on research, since you always have one extra (2 per day means every five pups you get one extra pup to raise, just like with tagging giving you 4 so you can run the research twice for every 3 days of tagging)

The last benefit is the most important: You only spent 3-5 minutes of your time on a daily basis to get those 400 marks, which means now you can do some other methods to get even MORE rom marks if you so choose. Consider epohh breeding a humungous bonus to your time spent grinding RhIhho or dailies.

kintisho · September 2013

rylanadionysis wrote: »

Then you can always do Epohhs (400 marks every 4 days)

+1 to rabbit TRIBBLE.. I mean peta offenses.. I mean epoh tagging.. (3 feds maxed rep and geared from these little rats)

toiva · September 2013

rylanadionysis wrote: »

Youre missing something.

2 days to get the required tags, yes... but then look how it stacks

3-5 days to get the research (at the same time youre tagging each day for the next cycle)
3 days to raise the elder (at the same time youre getting the research for the next cycle, and tagging for the cycle after that)

The first run does take about 5-6 days, but each one after that takes about 3 because youre shaving off the first 3 by doing them on top of each other. Youre constantly doing all three simultaneously once you get the first research/raising started. Tags, research, raising.

Day 1 - Tagging
Day 2 - Tagging, research A1
Day 3 - Tagging, research A2
Day 4 - Tagging, research A3
Day 5 - Tagging, research B1, Raise A pup
Day 6 - Tagging, research B2, Raise A adult
Day 7 - Tagging, research B3, Raise A elder
Day 8 - Tagging, research C1, Raise B pup, recieve A elder (400 marks)
Day 9 - Tagging, research C2, Raise B adult
Day 10 - Tagging, research C3, Raise B elder
Day 11 - Tagging, research D1, Raise C pup, Receive B elder (400 marks)

At this point days 8-11 just repeat. It is possible to have an extra day in between if you dont have purple biologists (failing to crit the pup to adult step, I crit them most of the time so i didnt include that)

Also keep in mind you will have overlap on research, since you always have one extra (2 per day means every five pups you get one extra pup to raise, just like with tagging giving you 4 so you can run the research twice for every 3 days of tagging)

The last benefit is the most important: You only spent 3-5 minutes of your time on a daily basis to get those 400 marks, which means now you can do some other methods to get even MORE rom marks if you so choose. Consider epohh breeding a humungous bonus to your time spent grinding RhIhho or dailies.

Yup, I really couldn't describe the specifics (been a long time since I lost interest in romarks), but finding a group wasn't such a problem (meaning you always easily got 30 Epohhs per run) and after the first couple days, you start working on a second Epohh and so on and on.

Meaning you'll get 400 romarks in less than 8 days in average, tequila56. Apparently in 3 days, as RylanaDionysis states.

gerwalk0769 · September 2013

tequilla56 wrote: »

Thanks... See its easy to learn something new no matter how long you have been around.

5 mins a day seems pretty decent. Will def investigate that one. Thanks.

Agreed.. Don't know anyone that could score 400 Omega marks in 20mins (even during bonus hours and on best teams that take no more than 5 mins to perfectly complete the mission).

I think it has a lot to do with perception too. Do three Omega missions (take 1 - 1.5 hrs avg) net 175-200 marks easy. Do three Romulus missions and score perhaps 40 - 60. Even if those three only took you 30 mins (hence it does work out similar in earning potential) you don't see the same results for your work, and get more bored and off put faster is all.

But thanks heaps for the advice... might go check that out straight away.

I hated the idea of Eppoh tagging, and poopooed it, until I wanted to get the Romulan Space weapon gear set-After hitting Tier 5. I just did not want to go through the Romulan Space mission grind again. Oh and Mine Trap, just remembering that now.

1600 marks from 4 Eppohh's seemed like a steal and running it made me very sorry that I spent so much time grinding Nebula, Ensnared and any other space mission, and Mine Trap, that gave Romulan marks to work through the Five tier system.

While sometimes teammates jumped the gun to start collecting Eppoh's I do not know about any team players afking during tagging time unlike in Ensnared, Mine Trap, and Rescue. Tagging is much less stressful and easier to hit the needed target-30 tags. In space and ground missions afkers do nothing and you have to run the entire mission with one or two less players. This can really effect a team's performance.

I wish other tagging events were as generous as the Romulan tagging event is.

tequilla56 · September 2013

kintisho wrote: »

+1 to rabbit TRIBBLE.. I mean peta offenses.. I mean epoh tagging.. (3 feds maxed rep and geared from these little rats)

First let me thank the original poster of this topic. It has really been beneficial to me.
Second. Thank you to everyone expressing their ideas. Epohh tagging, whilst I am not convinced still..., IS an appreciated idea (and YES I am now trying it, but to satisfy myself as a secondary source of marks as opposed to a primary. Guess time will tell for me. And from what I have seen will possibly work well... yes I have been lucky and invited to group with one team tagging, getting my rom char the acheivement AND the necessary tags in one go. Unfortualnately due to my time difference - aussie player on in mornings my time I think this will turn out to be a rare occurance :-()

Finally... Thanks for the offer. I would happily join your fleet. Except I currently have my own (also started with myself and two friends only.) I know where you are at with trying to build fleet rep etc with so few. I have invested so much time and money and effort to virtually solo my fleet to level 6. (Tier 2 SB With T3 Shipyard, and T1 Science and Eng. plus a couple of the bonus events)

* At last check I had primary char well over 1.2mil points just on the SB and when combined with all my other chars, The mine and the embassy (I have alot of chars lol) probs closer to the 3-4mil mark easily.

Yes is very tempting as I know I could be a magnificent asset to your fleet. Just as I am sure you would be a great asset to join with. But I am at the point where I simply have invested far*too much time and effort and physical cash money (zen points for dilith etc) to abandon it now.

HOWEVER - If u like. PM me a time and place to meet online. I have just started a fresh second ROM char. Its not fleeted yet. Perhaps I can team up with you that way and we can both gain. :-)

djjfjtoo too

grendelthewise · October 2013

I don't enjoy the daily for destroying the Tholian fleet in the tau dawa sector for 30 marks. I would rather do the patrols for the 60 marks (75 marks if bonus event) than anything else. I did all the small missions on New Romulus for 5-10 marks but good god it took forever. I guess it all depends on how patient you are if you are willing to grind it out have fun. I will do it once a day.

Borg rep points vs Romulan and Tholian rep points

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