test content
What is the Arc Client?
Install Arc

Rising Phoenix - Part Two

While we may have our qualms or different feelings about one another, Devs, or the state of the game and the tool we love in it, we are all in the end authors once we publish a mission. We know the time, the dedication, the sweat, the testing, the frustrations, and the joys.

We all know what it is like to want to tell a story.

As you may be aware, there is one story that has been left unfinished. h2orat's "Rising Pheonix - Part One" is a spotlighted mission created by a man who's legacy and passions are all we have left of him. While true most players will not know who he was, they still are appreciating the work he did as Cryptic Developer and as a Foundry Author.

Upon reading the mourning thread I couldn't find words to express the right respect and sorrow. The best action I thought I could take was to play the mission he made, not as a Dev, but as a player. It is with great regret that the original author will not be able to complete his work.

But I wonder if as a memorial to a fellow Author it is something we can do as a show of respect.

I ask the community if it is something we would like to consider, for one or more of us to take on the project of comprising a finale for Rising Phoenix? Is this something we feel is in respectful taste? Is it something we should leave in its current state out of memory?

Do we want to make a memorial in the form of finishing h2orat's mission?
Post edited by designationxr377 on

Comments

  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    It's not uncommon for friends or family to take up where the author left off. Many Japanese authors and mangaka have done this out of love and respect for the departed.


    IMHO, if the rumors are true in what Stahl has been saying with Foundry Cooperative (2 or more authors on a mission), and it is implemented, perhaps a team of H2orat's friends could continue off where he left off. I didn't know him, but perhaps he had already started on Part Two or written notes somewhere, laying out more detail of the story. If he did, that could give you a stepping stone.

    If there is no Foundry Cooperative, then the authors get together, brainstorm on the plot, the direction, and then the map designs. All that's left is what author will be honored with the task.
  • sgtreusterssgtreusters Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Will someone please make this happen. I did not know him but this seems like it is the best type of memorial possible. The mission and H2Orat's memory deserve nothing less.
    SgtReuster
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    CASPIAN RISING
  • pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited September 2013
    I think it would be absolutely amazing to see the Foundry community come together to author Part 2. As many players taking part in it as possible would be exactly what Mark would have loved to see :) I know that the actual mission can only be built by one person, but everyone can take part in the planning, story boarding, script, design, layout, etc.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited September 2013
    We're gonna do some brainstorming on this week's Foundry Roundtable. I think you had a good idea when you posted that it could be the next challenge topic.
    The Foundry Roundtable live Saturdays at 7:30PM EST/4:30PM PST on twitch.tv/thefoundryroundtable
  • pwebranflakespwebranflakes Member Posts: 7,741
    edited September 2013
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    We're gonna do some brainstorming on this week's Foundry Roundtable. I think you had a good idea when you posted that it could be the next challenge topic.

    A few players also messaged me with this idea, but I'm now wondering if having it be a "contest" (since the Foundry Challenges are actually contests) is the right platform when looking at why Part 2 is being created. I'm interested to hear what you and your fellow authors think.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=
  • thegreendragoon1thegreendragoon1 Member Posts: 1,872 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    A few players also messaged me with this idea, but I'm now wondering if having it be a "contest" (since the Foundry Challenges are actually contests) is the right platform when looking at why Part 2 is being created. I'm interested to hear what you and your fellow authors think.

    Cheers,

    Brandon =/\=

    It will certainly be a good thing to bring up in the discussion. :)
  • sgtreusterssgtreusters Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    While a Phoenix part two Foundry Challange would be a great tribute, would it meet h2orat's vision? I realize that no one can know what he had planned (or maybe someone does know) I believe that only his close STO friends could do it justice.

    I cannot claim to be one of those lucky individuals, as we only spoke once, but this really needs to be done right.

    If done as a Foundry Challange, would too many spoilers need to be given to get it right? If done by a small group of his in game friends it may become an epic sequel that could really do Phoenix, and h2orat, justice.

    My two cents.
    SgtReuster
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    CASPIAN RISING
  • kirksplatkirksplat Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I kind of feel like a challenge is somewhat of a degradation of the intent, to be honest. H2Orat was a dev that decided that the Foundry mattered, which honestly seems kind of rare for a STO dev. That's why H20rat was loved by the Foundry community. He was one of the devs who cared and also recognized what we go through to do what we do.

    I think he would have appreciated this challenge if it was a challenge to the devs to STO, to learn the Foundry, make a Foundry mission, and discover what you personally could do, like your players. To ask the players to take up the spirit of that challenge is to misrepresent the challenge that H20rat took on.

    So, a contest? Yes. But, this should be a contest among the folks who knew him. Not the players. Branflakes and others should try to make a Foundry mission with an intent of honoring a friend and a colleague. That endeavor would teach them so much. That, I believe, would honor the memory of a fallen comrade.

    I hope it doesn't seem like I'm using this moment as a convenient excuse to get STO devs interested in the Foundry. But, if it did do that, I think H20rat would be proud, based on my very limited knowledge of the guy.

    I didn't know the guy. Cryptic devs did.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • azurianstarazurianstar Member Posts: 6,985 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I agree with Kirkfat, don't make it a contest.


    Like I said above, get his friends together and brainstorm, then choose one among you to have the honor. That or you guys making it a multi-part story and everyone publishes an episode.
  • designationxr377designationxr377 Member Posts: 542 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I agree that although a nice idea, a Challenge would not be the best way to go about this. It would get the community of STO as a whole to look at it, but, I agree that it isn't perhaps what would be the continuation of H20rats vision.

    I think it would be best if interested authors pooled ideas and talents to make and publish a finale that mimics even h20rats formatting (down to the objectives style). A single mission (or multiple if the interest is there but I advise against it) that gives players a solid ending and a completion of the experience.

    And, while I have the Feeling Kirkfat's suggestion of Dev's taking their game time to make one themselves is more or less of the focus to get them to try and use the tool we do (and therefore get fixes) If I recall correctly it was this mission, or another by a Dev, which finally got us invulnerable NPC Contacts so missions wouldn't break.

    I think it would be amazing if his friends and colleagues got down and into the foundry to make the conclusion, but recognize that it could be asking too much beyond what they do on a daily basis. The work will most likely fall to us interested here in the Community.
  • robdmcrobdmc Member Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Just out of curiosity but could a dev look into his account to see if he has any projects started with part 2 so that the community has a direction to take this story but to make this mission have his hands directly in it.

    When we look at earth final conflict, the pilot was written by Gene Roddenberry himself even though it was made well after his death it was still his work.
  • johncampbell07johncampbell07 Member Posts: 143 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    drogyn1701 wrote: »
    We're gonna do some brainstorming on this week's Foundry Roundtable. I think you had a good idea when you posted that it could be the next challenge topic.

    I'm just a STO player that came here around 3 years ago at the behest of a friend who knew I had grown up with Star Trek. I've seen every episode of every Star Trek platform made, and yet I'm likely not what one would consider the consummate "Trekkie".



    Star Trek, thanks to Gene Roddenberry, created a dream, a vision, and a future that one can see coming to pass even in our own lifetimes and I for one would be honored, privileged, and thrilled to just one time set foot upon the deck of an actual Federation Starship before I pass. Sadly, it's likely I will never see that day, however, STO has been the chance to dream and, while I'm not a Foundry author, I do appreciate the efforts of those who make it come to life within STO. Mark "h2orat" Valentine was one such dream maker that gave me that chance.

    For what it's worth, I believe that the Developers should take on completing his work and in a grand epic form that would make those in the movie industry envious. Do it. Don't make it short or based in someones impatience for garnering a rank or wealth for the next upgrade in rank or capability. Make it something to treasure in ones own heart, a true memorial for a fallen comrade. Bring his spirit back to life and make sure those who play through in the next episode(s) and conclusion know what it's all about.
Sign In or Register to comment.