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Again we get more Tactical Ships, where are the new Science ships?
errab
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Ok it's clear to me now that we are more or less playing Escorts on Line.
Don't get me wrong I have no issues with Tactical heavy vessels but I think Cryptic needs to remember that not all of the players in STO want only for more Tactical heavy vessels.
IMO there are already more than enough Tactical heavy options for players of all factions to choose from here in STO, although the KDF still lack a Heavy Escort Carrier
Can we please get some +1 Pure Science endgame ships so the players that enjoy Science do not continue to feel like we've been completely written off by the Dev's here in STO?
I'm not asking for 5 or more new Endgame level Science Ships for each faction but one or two would be nice.
If for some reason people at Cryptic just can't figure out what would work for a max level endgame +1 Science Vessel, I'll give you a starting point to work with.
Weapons: 4 x 3 when you can be attack at any time even a Science Vessel needs some teeth.
Hull: 42000
Shield Modifier: 1.3
Crew: 425
Target Subsystems
Sensor Analysis
Boff Layout: COMMANDER Science, Universal Lt. Commander, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Tactical, Universal Ensign
Console Slots: 4 SCIENCE, 3 Engineering, 3 Tactical or 5 SCIENCE, 3 Engineering, 2 Tactical
Special Console: Tachyon Inversion Manifold
Tachyon Inversion Manifold: When active 50% of all incoming energy weapon damage is converted to additional shields.
The above is far from perfect but it's a start and if anyone from Cryptic thinks they can come up with a better design I'd love to see it :P
Don't get me wrong I have no issues with Tactical heavy vessels but I think Cryptic needs to remember that not all of the players in STO want only for more Tactical heavy vessels.
IMO there are already more than enough Tactical heavy options for players of all factions to choose from here in STO, although the KDF still lack a Heavy Escort Carrier
Can we please get some +1 Pure Science endgame ships so the players that enjoy Science do not continue to feel like we've been completely written off by the Dev's here in STO?
I'm not asking for 5 or more new Endgame level Science Ships for each faction but one or two would be nice.
If for some reason people at Cryptic just can't figure out what would work for a max level endgame +1 Science Vessel, I'll give you a starting point to work with.
Weapons: 4 x 3 when you can be attack at any time even a Science Vessel needs some teeth.
Hull: 42000
Shield Modifier: 1.3
Crew: 425
Target Subsystems
Sensor Analysis
Boff Layout: COMMANDER Science, Universal Lt. Commander, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Tactical, Universal Ensign
Console Slots: 4 SCIENCE, 3 Engineering, 3 Tactical or 5 SCIENCE, 3 Engineering, 2 Tactical
Special Console: Tachyon Inversion Manifold
Tachyon Inversion Manifold: When active 50% of all incoming energy weapon damage is converted to additional shields.
The above is far from perfect but it's a start and if anyone from Cryptic thinks they can come up with a better design I'd love to see it :P
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Your proposed hull is way, way more than any other Federation science ship in the game. Federation science ships range from 27k-31k hull, like escorts. You propose combining that with a 4-3 weapon setup, a very powerful boff layout, and this 'tachyon inversion' ability that would make the science ship shield-tanking abilities even more ridiculous.
Lemme guess, you also want a 10-13 turn rate and maybe a 40-50 inertia rating. Heh.
How about this: Fly a Vesta, or one of your SIX Fleet Science Ships (that's more ships in ONE CATEGORY than the KDF ever got in a single category Fleet-ship-wise).
I would like a pure sci ship with that boff layout for my Romulan Sci toon - really there is nothing in the game with that awesome a boff layout
"Boff Layout: COMMANDER Science, Universal Lt. Commander, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Tactical, Universal Ensign"
Why not go for the Gold and just do an 42k hull 1.4 shield 10 console 4x4 weapons and all uni boff stations - plus a 14 turn - now that would be a NICE ship!!!
Boff: 2 commander science 2 Lt. engineering and 1 LtCom Tactical
That boff layout seems a bit light - how about 5 Uni cmdrs?
I do not play ROM so have limited knowledge. The story is enough for me. The game is the same as ever so my focus is on my main character, my beloved FED Betazoid Science Officer with his little to no DPS, but personally fun, Intrepid class ship.
On a second thought however, they should make a science ship for ROMs. Maybe this may create a chain reaction and more complaints will be raised, of how they have nerfed the science powers to nearly zero function.
Heh, I feel the same way. If it's another tactical ship I have to think about getting a lock box or Lobi-ship off the exchange for my Romulan. But those are either way too expensive (Temporal Sci), too bad (Orb Weaver) or ugly (Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser, a superior science ship in all but name).
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
while i agree with your first determination i disagree with the proposed build
my idea is a continuance of what already is out there with rom/rem faction
the scimatar is a hybrid that should be followed by somthing more proper
a 2 hanger carrier more prone to sci layout or a build much like the recluse that will give people the choice would be a solution that will solve a few issues.
1.the rom/rem faciton havnt got a full carrier to their name yet
2.the rom/rem havnt got their own dedicated sci ship to their name.
3.did i mention WE WANT A CARRIER ?
I was really hoping the T5 version from those new Tactical escorts was going to be a Vesta type clone.
I even suggested it to the devs in the feedback forum on tribble, but it didn't get any response....
get used to it, cause everything else is dead and done to them....
I use the Scimitar with my Romulan Science main (Outside of the ABC it?s the only viable +1 Science Option)
I use the Atrox with my Fed Science main (I don't spend a lot of time on my Feds)
I was not out to purpose a I win Science Ship, although I really like the Boff layout that I suggested because it would give you a Science Heavy vessel with quite a bit of versatility.
Has for the hull that I suggested, I was just spitting out a number and I really do not know what the average Hull strength for a non-Carrier Science vessel is so if the number is high just drop it down 8k or something.
To go back to the boff layout that I suggested, I do not feel that it is OP at all because a similar setup already exists with our tactical heavy Scimitars and I think that kind of setup could be ideal for all classes.
Example:
Commander Tactical, Universal Lt. Commander, Lt. Engineering, Lt. Science, Universal Ensign
Commander Engineering, Universal Lt. Commander, Lt. Tactical, Lt. Science, Universal Ensign
I think the above setup gives unlimited options for builds and you'll have to forgive me if I'm mistaken has I've not logged into to play STO in a bit but I think the Scimitar already has this type of boff layout.
Outside of Science Heavy Full Carriers I really think that endgame Science vessels should be given the 4 x 3 weapon slots.
We have Escorts that can sport the 4 x 3 and the 5 x 2 weapon slot layout with in most cases with much smaller hulls than Science vessels also bearing in mind that all factions are in a constant state of war, so I don't think it would be much of a stretch for a Science vessel to have the 4 x 3 layout.
I'm not speaking from the perspective of a Fed, KDF or Romulan player but from the perspective of a player that enjoys the Science role a bit more than the other classes.
All factions need much more variety in their endgame Science Ships and I fell that we are just being given too many Tactical Heavy ships that can be ok if you want to use them for Science or Engineering but they're just not true Science or Engineering Vessels.
On the subject of weapon slots, I think it about time that we get a Cruiser that has the 6 x 3 layout.
Does anyone think that the special console that I suggested would be useful, I was kind of going at it like trying to create a stalemate option when attacked.
Thanks for the feedback
Assuming no Uni:
Lt Tac
Ltc Eng
Lt Eng
Com Sci
Ens Sci
and 4e/4s/2t on consoles.
I'd fly it.
My character Tsin'xing
I'd have no problem with that Boff layout.